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Holder: 1st Amendment Allows Gov't to Force Catholics to Buy Sterilization- Contraception-Abortion
Cybercast News Service ^ | 2/29/12 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 02/29/2012 9:56:09 AM PST by Nachum

The Justice Department will defend against any legal challenge to the new Obama administration mandate to force employers to provide abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization and contraception, even if it goes against their conscience, Attorney General Eric Holder told a House subcommittee Tuesday. The Department of Health and Human Services rule, part of Obamacare, violates the freedom of conscience for Catholics and other religious groups that expressed their objections to the mandate, opponents say. Already there is litigation asserting that the rule violates the First Amendment’s guarantee to free exercise of religion.

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KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; contraception; democrats; elections; govtabuse; holder; holdertruthfile; liberalfascism; obama; sterilization; tyranny
Full title: Holder: 1st Amendment Allows Gov't to Force Catholics to Buy Sterilization- Contraception-Abortion Insurance
1 posted on 02/29/2012 9:56:12 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 02/29/2012 9:57:17 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;. . . “

What part of the 1st amendment does Holder not understand?
He is a BIG a buffoon and idiot as his boss!!


3 posted on 02/29/2012 10:00:19 AM PST by Mr. Wright (N\)
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To: Nachum

Mr. Fastandfurious is getting faster and more furious all the time. This has to stop.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 10:01:53 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Nachum

This bastard needs to be impeached! If we had a Congress that had a pair he would be. The facism of this regime is just incredible!!


5 posted on 02/29/2012 10:02:14 AM PST by Marathoner (In the 80s we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no cash and no hope.)
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To: Nachum

Eric holder received his law degree for the Closed Before Srikeing School of law.

That’s why he has NO clue as to what the First Amendment says.


6 posted on 02/29/2012 10:04:43 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Nachum

2012 America:

In which the highest law enforcement official in the land doesn’t possess even a Junior High level understanding of BASIC Constitutional bedrock issues.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 10:04:51 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Mr. Wright

There is a great deal of evil at work here.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 10:04:51 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Nachum

After reading the article and watching the video, I don’t think the headline is accurate. He doesn’t seem to be saying the First Amendment allows govt to force...but otoh I don’t understand WHAT he said. Homeless schizos on the NY subway have made more sense.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 10:05:21 AM PST by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: SumProVita

Re: There is a great deal of evil at work here

I could not agree more!!!!


10 posted on 02/29/2012 10:08:41 AM PST by jesseam
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To: Nachum
I look forward to the next article in this series:

Catholics: 2nd Amendment Allows Us to Protect our Hospitals from Holder's Goons

11 posted on 02/29/2012 10:09:22 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Id rather have a man who wrecked his marriage as POTUS than a man who wrecked his country!)
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To: Nachum

This administration believes it can do anything it wants without constitutional and/or congressional authorization.

See my tagline.


12 posted on 02/29/2012 10:10:19 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Nachum
Holder is following the Obama script. What's next? Mandatory euthanasia for the old, sick and disabled? Conservatives banned from politics and exiled?

Nothing would be a surprise from this crowd.

13 posted on 02/29/2012 10:10:27 AM PST by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: Nachum

He’s walking thru it. He will stink for days.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 10:14:47 AM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Nachum

He’s walking thru it. He will stink for days.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 10:14:53 AM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Nachum
RE: "1st Amendment Allows Gov't to Force Catholics to Buy Sterilization- Contraception-Abortion,"

Up is down. black is white. war is peace....

Orwell was not a mere novelist he was a modern day prophet delivering predictions in novel form!

Welcome to the Obamanation!

16 posted on 02/29/2012 10:15:36 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Nachum

Congress should be recalled and indicted for misprision
of felony for allowing this travesty.

This country has been seized by coup d’etat.
Justice is a joke.

The rule of law is dead, buried in John Jay’s grave,
stabbed in the heart by SCOTUS.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 10:21:03 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: DCBryan1
Holder and Obama are in a lose lose situation on this. If they back off it will infuriate the hard left of his party and without the hard left he loses the election. It will also infuriate the practicing Catholics which normally vote in the majority for the democrat party. Even the Catholics that practice birth control are angry. They are angry because of the invasion of their church by federal regulators. The abortion issue cuts across all religions and is a negative for Obama.

Other denominations are also furious about this. They see the intrusion of the government in the Catholic church and they fear they may be next.

As I said this is a lose lose for Obama.

18 posted on 02/29/2012 10:21:46 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: DCBryan1
Holder and Obama are in a lose lose situation on this. If they back off it will infuriate the hard left of his party and without the hard left he loses the election. It will also infuriate the practicing Catholics which normally vote in the majority for the democrat party. Even the Catholics that practice birth control are angry. They are angry because of the invasion of their church by federal regulators. The abortion issue cuts across all religions and is a negative for Obama.

Other denominations are also furious about this. They see the intrusion of the government in the Catholic church and they fear they may be next.

As I said this is a lose lose for Obama.

19 posted on 02/29/2012 10:22:24 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Nachum

Something people need to realize: Muslims and Muslim groups are exempt from Obamacare altogether because an imam has claimed that insurance is gambling and that Islam forbids gambling.

People want to make the contraception issue about whether or not the Catholic teaching is mainstream, whether women need contraceptives, etc. But if the government is going to refuse Catholics the right to practice their religion because its views are not “mainstream”, then they should be asking whether Muslim views on insurance and/or gambling are “mainstream” - and require Muslims to participate in the “mainstream” things they despise.

But they won’t. They never will. Obama’s government will never require Muslim organizations to buy swimming suits for their women to wear around town. They will never require Muslims to buy a pork processing plant. Etc.

The real story of this Obamacare mess is seen most clearly by the fact that the government is SIDING WITH ISLAM AND AGAINST CATHOLICISM. If the government was going to remain religiously neutral then they would do the same thing for Muslims as they do for Catholics as they do for atheists as they do for Amish as they do for Hindus, etc... The Muslims objected to insurance, so the government said, “Never mind.” The Catholics objected to contraception and abortion so the government said, “You have to participate in these things anyway.”

This is a sharia-compliant law. It institutes legal preference for Islam and imposes what amounts to a dhimmi tax on non-Muslims. It affirms government protection of MUSLIM religious freedom while trashing NON-MUSLIM religious freedom.

We need to ask the right questions about this. Specifically, we need to be asking why Muslims are exempt on conscientious grounds if Catholics aren’t also exempt on conscientious grounds.


20 posted on 02/29/2012 10:24:57 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Mad Dawgg

“1984”

To conservatives - a dark, serious work of literature describing one possible bleak, depressing future for mankind.

To ‘progressives’ - an Instruction Manual.


21 posted on 02/29/2012 10:44:57 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Marathoner

“This bastard needs to be impeached! If we had a Congress that had a pair he would be..............”

Impeached he should be, but wondering if Congress is getting the message loudly and clearly from enough of the American people to know they have the direction, and the support from them to proceed to do exactly that?

Allegedly the Congress represents the will of the people.

Perhaps we all need to send the message en masse to Congress to git ‘er done.


22 posted on 02/29/2012 10:45:05 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: cpdiii

>Other denominations are also furious about this.<

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Let’s see if that is the case this November — they can prove it with their vote.

You can be assured that the black churches will continue to vote for Bambi in excess of 90% in spite of feeling “offended”.


23 posted on 02/29/2012 10:50:30 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: rockinqsranch

They all took an oath. If they need to wet their finger to feel the wind, they broke their oath already.


24 posted on 02/29/2012 10:52:48 AM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: rockinqsranch

He can’t be impeached. He’s black.

Need I say more?


25 posted on 02/29/2012 10:53:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rockinqsranch

Join hands, lock arms, march to Congress and SILENTLY give them the message...IMPEACH. We the People are with you and demand that this traitor in the White House be impeached..removed.

This devil in the White House is moving FAST...we must move faster.


26 posted on 02/29/2012 10:54:16 AM PST by itssme
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To: Nachum
Interesting how libs can find hidden or implicit "rights" in the Bill of rights. A guy can take a piss on stage and it is considered "freedom of expression" under the 1st amendment. They found a "right to privacy" so as to force abortion on us. But when the Bill of rights explicitly says "freedom of religion" or "right to bear arms"; they don't see it.
27 posted on 02/29/2012 10:54:50 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nachum

Insane. I’d rather have Geoffrey Holder as the attorney general. Imagine him laughing his big, booming laugh every time Congress asks him a question. It would definitely be more fun.


28 posted on 02/29/2012 10:58:47 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Nachum

29 posted on 02/29/2012 11:05:04 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Erik Latranyi
When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)

Yes sir. When you hear of that women in Texas who wanted to board a plane but no female TSA was there to search her (even thought they knew her because she flew often from there) & she was begging for even a male TO SEARCH HER - to deprive her of her constitutional rights, you now know that we have lost this nation.

30 posted on 02/29/2012 11:19:38 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Lady Lucky

Think it really doesn’t matter what Holder said. They’re forcing religious institutions to do something that is counter to their religion.

Is what Obama doing any different than legislating:

1. That Muslim relgious organizations must give their employees Hannukah as a paid vacation day?

2. That Jewish religious organizations must subsidize Quaran study classes for their employees?

3. That Catholic religious organizations must provide abortions as a part of their employee healthcare plans.

This marxist regime must be stopped. It’s a damn shame that impeachment has thus far escaped Obama, Holder, and others so far.


31 posted on 02/29/2012 11:26:03 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: Nachum

Let’s see if I have this straight: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

Really means that we can prohibit the free exercise of religion so long as it is mandated by the government.

While: “ the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Really means that we can infringe on the people’s rght to bear arms, so long as the US government caused gun violence in another soveriegn nation.

The liberal mind is truly a wonderous thing.


32 posted on 02/29/2012 11:27:08 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

The wording of the Constitution is a non-sequitur to leftists.

Anything written in the past inherently has less value than the ad-hoc decision making ability of the smart people alive today.


33 posted on 02/29/2012 11:30:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

B.S. This is ridiculous. They will get no support for this.


34 posted on 02/29/2012 11:39:02 AM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Nachum

It’s in contract law that this mess is going to be overturned.

The government mandate of a PRIVATE SECTOR TRANSACTION subjects the issue to contract law.

A contract has a presumption of mutual consent. If one party can claim coercion, then the contract is null and void.


35 posted on 02/29/2012 11:49:04 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Nachum

I wonder which nations’ Constitution Mr. Holder is reading?
I wonder if he is getting help with his interpretation from Justice Ginsberg?


36 posted on 02/29/2012 12:44:38 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Mr. Wright

Amen that that


37 posted on 02/29/2012 12:44:48 PM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: Mr. Wright

Amen to that


38 posted on 02/29/2012 12:45:21 PM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: WayneS

Well said!

Lest we forget progressive = facist.


39 posted on 02/29/2012 1:26:44 PM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: DCBryan1
"Catholics: 2nd Amendment Allows Us to Protect our Hospitals from Holder's GoonsCatholics: 2nd Amendment Allows Us to Protect our Hospitals from Holder's Goons"

I'd love to see that. That's where we are. That's what the Second Amendment is for. It should have been the first, as it is the most important.

40 posted on 02/29/2012 1:47:24 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: Nachum

The High Priest of Entitlement has taken the White House. Should we really be surprised when he demands we bow to his religion?


41 posted on 02/29/2012 2:09:38 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: MrB
"...He can’t be impeached. He’s black..."

Actually, he's halfrican ......................... FRegards

42 posted on 02/29/2012 11:48:20 PM PST by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: gonzo
"...He can’t be impeached. He’s black..."

Actually, he's halfrican ......................... FRegards

Then IMPEACH the White part!

43 posted on 03/01/2012 6:22:36 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: AliVeritas

BM


44 posted on 03/01/2012 3:32:52 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: Nachum

As an employer, I have an objection to providing health insurance that covers psychiatric care, but by law I’m mandated to do so.

I object simply because if my employees were presented with a menu of choices, they would never choose psychiatric care. I object because psychiatric care is the biggest driver of increases in our premiums. Not to disparage psychiatrists, but it is the nature of psychiatry to never declare the patient “cured”, and the payouts dwarf nearly any other malady paid for by insurance, over time.


45 posted on 03/03/2012 5:09:28 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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