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CALIFORNIA: Same-sex marriage poll finds majority approve
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/29/12 | Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Political Writer

Posted on 02/29/2012 9:58:57 AM PST by SmithL

Support for same-sex marriage in California has never been higher, with 59 percent of the state's voters backing the legalization of gay nuptials, according to a new Field Poll.

What's notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from Catholics, Latinos and older voters - part of the core of support for voter-approved Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Republicans and those who identify themselves as conservatives are the only demographic blocs that oppose allowing gays to marry, according to the survey of 1,003 registered voters released today. Overall, 34 percent of the respondents oppose same-sex marriage.

In a separate question, 51 percent of respondents said gays should be allowed to marry - up from 44 percent two years ago. The survey found that 29 percent support civil unions but not marriage and 15 percent favor no legal recognition. Five percent had no opinion.

"It's a wholesale change in public opinion," said Field Poll Director Mark DiCamillo, noting that Field has polled on same-sex marriage issues since 1977. "Right now, it is more of a political objection than anything else."

Wary of numbers

But the rise in support was so high in this poll - seven points since the last Field survey on the issue in 2010 - that even some supporters of same-sex marriage are wary.

A September survey of likely voters commissioned by Equality California, which has been at the forefront of the fight for same-sex marriage, also found that 51 percent of Californians support it.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; sanfranciscovalues

1 posted on 02/29/2012 9:58:58 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Easy to come up with these results when your sample is loaded heavily with respondents from San Francisco.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: SmithL

So put it on the ballot and pass thru the proper legislative channels.

But stop trying to get judges to overturn the people and legislate from the bench.


3 posted on 02/29/2012 10:04:03 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: SmithL

When polled about the future demise of the state, the ever increasing populace of tolerant CA folks would prefer fire & brimstone vs. massive earthquakes and tsunamis.

California, a state and a society in decline.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 10:05:31 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Jagdgewehr

The demographic shift in California is obvious!
Anyone with morals or brains has left the state.


5 posted on 02/29/2012 10:06:37 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: SmithL

What’s notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from Catholics...
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What’s notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from NON-PRACTICING Catholics...


6 posted on 02/29/2012 10:07:42 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SmithL

Propaganda 24/7 to normalize the vile abomination that used to be in the closet and unspeakable in Christian nations.

Sex Ed for decades in the schools and the effect of making “good” handsome people “gay” like in Will and Grace-—and they make the straights evil and bigots (since Archie Bunker)—This has its effect on the worldview when absorbed by children. Goebbels is laughing in his grave.

We have sodomite producers creating the worldview of our children for decades as they were molesting the Corey boys and passing them around in their homosexual orgies. We allowed trash to be promoted as “good”. They are rewriting Judeo/Christian Ethics—and all cultures who adopt moral relativism end up like Germany and Russia and China and Cambodia. There is no “New” ethics-—Read history.

Get your children off of the evil TV which shapes worldview into the pagan, Marxist worldview of the homosexual pedophiles. They want sodomy “good” which it can NEVER be and they want pederasty to be normal like in the muslim countries and Ancient Greece. Read homosexual fantasy-—it is about access to boys.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 10:10:00 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: WestwardHo
Anyone with morals or brains has left the state.

No, there is two or three of us left. I have morals...at the very least.

8 posted on 02/29/2012 10:15:52 AM PST by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: SmithL

Is that poll as accurate as this one was? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022448/posts


9 posted on 02/29/2012 10:17:06 AM PST by mpolito
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To: savagesusie

Well said savagesusie


10 posted on 02/29/2012 10:28:46 AM PST by CAconservitive
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To: Jagdgewehr

No, there is two or three of us left. I have morals...at the very least.

You’re in danger of being stuffed and displayed in a museum case!!! Just joking.

I’m a prune picker born and raised in Alameda and Santa Rosa. I left the state in 1972 but, in my heart it’s the best place on earth.


11 posted on 02/29/2012 10:42:23 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

I don’t think it’s about morals. The homosexuals are genetically flawed and actually suffer from a disability. Can you see where this is going?


12 posted on 02/29/2012 10:48:42 AM PST by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: SmithL

Meaningless poll as the opinion of the people of California means nothing out there.


13 posted on 02/29/2012 10:48:54 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SumProVita
What’s notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from NON-PRACTICING Catholics...

Yep... demented ones of the Nancy Pelosi variety.

14 posted on 02/29/2012 10:55:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: sanjuanbob

The only diagnosis for sodomy is sin. The only cure is becoming sensitive to their sin and their misery, repenting and asking God to bring them out of their sin.
Ephesian 2, and John 3:16.
I know about this stuff because my son has been a homosexual for over 10 years.
At age 20 he left home. His parting words were, “This is who I am, who I have always been, and who I want to be.”
My son was my hearts delight, precious in every way.
He was AIDS+ within a year. He is so changed that we would have a hard time recognizing him if he would suddenly come home after all these years.
It’s not a disablility, it’s a choice.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 10:59:37 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: ScottinVA

Isn’t “non-practicing Catholics” just a longer way of saying “non-Catholics”?


16 posted on 02/29/2012 11:04:57 AM PST by GilesB
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To: Jagdgewehr

Unfortunately I trust the results of the Field Poll. The problem (problem from our point of view anyway) is we have lost the battle for moral clarity. We won the last time the issue was on the ballot here but I’m afraid we wouldn’t win now. And of course the last initiative is being overturned by the courts.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 11:10:06 AM PST by CAconservitive
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To: stylecouncilor; windcliff

NEVER!


18 posted on 02/29/2012 11:27:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SmithL

Just look at those 18-39 in the majority. Makes me sick. The homos infiltrated our schools and churches to indoctrinate an entire generation. Here’s hoping they come to their senses as they get older. God will not be mocked. The country I grew up in with so much hope and so much to look forward to has been destroyed by these commie freaks.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 11:28:57 AM PST by godgunsglory59
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To: Retired Greyhound
So put it on the ballot and pass thru the proper legislative channels.

But they haven't, have they? That's called a "clue".

The way the homosexualist crowd works, these polls serve only one function, as a street beating for people who have enough residual common sense to reject the SSM pitch. This is not about persuasion any more -- it never was -- but about demoralizing the public into accepting political backroom deals leading to "judgments" of this or that homophile, forum-shopped judge.

There will be no election. Never. And that tells you what these guys are.

Alinskyites revere Lucifer, and homosexualists revere Goebbels. And liberals never wonder about their own cocksureness. They don't care what is right, they make it right. Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Cool.

20 posted on 02/29/2012 12:11:23 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: CAconservitive; little jeremiah
The problem (problem from our point of view anyway) is we have lost the battle for moral clarity.

No, it isn't. It's adverse possession of the media by committed liars and mountebanks, who know they're lying but know that they can't be made to care.

21 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Jagdgewehr
Easy to come up with these results when your sample is loaded heavily with respondents from San Francisco.

The way to challenge the poll, is to challenge the homosexuals to put it on the ballot. Referendum. See if they can lie to enough people hard enough, to fool enough of them.

(Oh, and they'll still be wrong. Nothing changes that -- biology will not be flouted and mathematics still knows how to count -- dead bodies.)

22 posted on 02/29/2012 12:18:31 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: SumProVita
What’s notable is that some of the more significant gains in support came from NON-PRACTICING Catholics...

Non-practicing and "NEW-ORDER" Catholics (Although the Magisterium hasn't changed -- just the novel interpretation of it by modernist priests and bishops).

23 posted on 02/29/2012 12:22:28 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: sanjuanbob
The homosexuals are genetically flawed and actually suffer from a disability.

No; they are not.

SINFULLY flawed - yes.


Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

24 posted on 02/29/2012 1:49:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WestwardHo
 
He ain't dead YET!!

1 Corinthians 6:11

And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 
 

25 posted on 02/29/2012 1:51:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WestwardHo
It gets better.
It gets better..
It gets better...
It gets better!
It gets better!!
It gets better!!!
and then it gets worse...
 
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV)

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?

 Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


26 posted on 02/29/2012 1:53:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SmithL

They pulled this same kind of baloney right before Prop 8 passed and proved the polls were BS. Guess what? They were lying then. The lie is just getting bigger now.


27 posted on 02/29/2012 2:05:04 PM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: Jagdgewehr
Easy to come up with these results when your sample is loaded heavily with respondents from San Francisco.

Look at the bar graphs: "Los Angeles County" - 59%, "Other Southern California" - 58%.

The real test of this "poll" is to put it on the ballot: a repeal and replacement of Prop 8. If the support to so overwhelming it would be a snap to gather signatures and get this on the ballot. Are they doing it? (crickets chirping)

28 posted on 02/29/2012 3:27:55 PM PST by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: SmithL
Don't be fooled. Even THEY don't believe their own polls because they refuse to put their own agenda up for a vote, and fight tooth and nail everywhere else against letting citizens voice their will.

GET THIS STRAIGHT: THIS IS SIMPLY A TACTIC INTENDED TO DEMORALIZE. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

29 posted on 02/29/2012 3:32:53 PM PST by fwdude
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