Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | February 28 2012 | Matthew Day

[Para-Ord.45]

In a discovery that could rewrite the history of the Americas, archaeologists have found a number of stone tools dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, and bearing remarkable similarities to those made in Europe.

All of the ancient implements were discovered along the north-east coast of the USA.

Adding to the weight of evidence is fresh analysis of stone knife unearthed in the US in 1971 that revealed it was made of French flint.

[Para-Ord.45]

First Kennewick man, now this.

Looks like the white guilt trip is finally over and there is no more eternal debt to be eternally paid out.

[steelyourfaith]

Fascinating.

[ModelBreaker]

I just hope the ancestors of the current Indians did not wipe out the noble people who occupied the continent before them.

[Vendome]

Did they find any made of iron or bronze? Maybe some teeth from a horse?

Wonder who will attempt to co-opt these people as their ancestors?

[twister881]

I made it! I'm a white guy and...a Native American! Woo-hoo, when do the welfare checks start flowing? I'm gonna build a casino on my property!

[rsobin]

Were they white?

[Misterioso]

So the Pilgrims came here to reclaim their ancestors’ original homeland.

[WakeUpAndVote]

[blam]

Here too:

America 'discovered by Stone Age hunters from Europe'

[skeeter]

[Secret Agent Man]

I guess we are really “more American” than the mexicans claim to be. In that stupid-racist-ass song that apparently is so popular with them now.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I just hope the ancestors of the current Indians did not wipe out the noble people who occupied the continent before them."

Of course they did. The evidence being that the "Indians" are now here, and the others are not. Such has been the course of history for all man's existence.

[mamelukesabre]

HUH???

That’s obviously what happened.

[ml/nj]

America B.C.: Ancient Settlers in the New World by Barry Fell

Interesting book. I read it some time ago. Among other things I remember him describing America's Stonehenge.

ML/NJ

[Blogatron]

I’m buildin’ me a casino.

[CodeToad]

hehe

Native Americans are squatters!

[mikrofon]

Stone-age Europeans

To some, a redundant description of Columbus, et al...

[Happy Rain]

Looks like the johnny come lately American Indian interlopers did a genocide or the European settlers’ descendants would still be around...

[SF_Redux]

to the title, so what?

[dog breath]

It is hard to say what happened to those first people, genetic testing is inconclusive so far, the very early French trappers were a horny bunch. The loss of complete populations among the Native Americans with the introduction of European epidemics was an apocalyptic in nature eliminating many of the people that could be tested. That old European stone age blood would of had no more resistance to the diseases then the other populations. They did identify an early negroid genetic strain in South America. The stories of light skinned Indians sparked lots of speculation amongst the early explorers but then again there were always other possible explanations. This is a story still to be told.

[SkyDancer]

Mormons?

[stop_fascism]

If you need a government load to stay in business, you shouldn’t be in business.

[ansel12]

So it turns out that he WAS the real thing after all.

[skeeter]

Yep. The US really was settled by stone aged Sicilians.

[Theoria]

Great book. Worth a read.

[muir_redwoods]

Any chance the stone tools were part of the ballast loads european sailing ship used to dump here before taking on cargo in the 17th and 18th century?

[stop_fascism]

Oops, wrong thread. Don’t know how that happened.

[EyeGuy]

Does this mean I can open my own Casino in my backyard?

Free College Tuition?

Gratis Wisconsin cheese?

[GreyFriar]

H’mmm, cant be correct, doesn’t meet current political qualifications. (sarkasm off)

[DAC21]

“Oops, wrong thread. Don’t know how that happened”

Umm by any chance are you on Statin Drugs?

Speakers on - http://instantrimshot.com/

[TXnMA]

Haven't read the thread, but don't see GGG in the keywords (there are none...)

This is already under discussion on the TX archaeology listservers, so I thought you might like to issue a GGG ping...

[TXnMA]

Haven't read the thread, but don't see GGG in the keywords (there are none...)

This is already under discussion on the TX archaeology listservers, so I thought you might like to issue a GGG ping...

[oneamericanvoice]

And guess who greeted the weary Europeans? That’s right, the people (Indians) who lived here.

Many Indians believe that they were always here. The Tongva know where their “Garden of Eden” or puvungna (sacred site) is.

[Oratam]

I read that book about a dozen years ago. Had me seeing souterrains and passage tombs all over the place . . . oh, and mounds, too.

[Malsua]

So it turns out that he WAS the real thing after all.

Yeah. He sure looks like an Indian...maybe it would be more appropriate to say the Indians look like Sicilians.

[tet68]

Grated Wisconsin Cheese.

[zot]

Stone-age Europeans “in the form of Christopher Columbus” pegged my bullshit meter, and so did “the first to set foot in North America.”

[rlmorel]

Hahahaha! I went to America’s Stonehenge when I was a teenager, and we all thought it was a ripoff!

[roadcat]

And guess who greeted the weary Europeans? That’s right, the people (Indians) who lived here.

Nope. There is lots of evidence that ancient Chinese traveled to the west coast of North America. They intermingled with the ancient Americans (who may have originally been the whites spoken of here). The result being American Indians, who bear a resemblance to Asians. Evidence in ancient Chinese manuscripts up through late 600s A.D.

[aruanan]

Nope. There is lots of evidence that ancient Chinese traveled to the west coast of North America. They intermingled with the ancient Americans (who may have originally been the whites spoken of here). The result being American Indians, who bear a resemblance to Asians. Evidence in ancient Chinese manuscripts up through late 600s A.D.

The ancient Chinese you're speaking about were not Neolithic Chinese. The Asians who came over here did so many, many thousands of years before the seafaring Chinese.

[roadcat]

The Asians who came over here did so many, many thousands of years before the seafaring Chinese.

Yes, I'm principally speaking of the seafaring Chinese because that is the only historical record that still exists. There is no hard evidence of the ancient Chinese coming to the Americas via land-routes, although it is speculated. There does exist evidence of seafaring Chinese coming here and trading with natives in the mid-600s. Some of that is in documents describing plants that only grow in the USA and Mexico.

[PIF]

I remember that faux Nate as I looked out across the trash strewn Makah reservation ... or the Nate camp down by a lush green ravine near where I lived filled with garbage and 5 gal pails filled with human waste ...

[PIF]

The Jomon who lived in present day Japan - circa 14,000 BC. are usually credited.

[skeeter]

I once got into big family trouble when I mentioned to my half-Cheyenne step sister that many indian tribes were nomadic partly because they'd crap up an area so badly they'd have to move on.

She'd apparently bought into the Dances With Woves Hollywood version of history.

[aruanan]

There is no hard evidence of the ancient Chinese coming to the Americas via land-routes, although it is speculated.

DNA and mitochondrial DNA drift is hard evidence. The Asians that originated in Siberia that came to the Americas about 15,000 years ago near the end of the last glaciation did so many millennia before seafaring Chinese in the first millennium AD and they also did it long enough after being isolated from other Asian groups (about 15,000 years before they crossed over) for them to develop a distinctive genotype that is present in all the 41 tribes sampled from Alaska to the tip of Chile as well as two groups on the western (Asian) side of the Bering Strait and the Inuit from Greenland. None of the current Eurasian groups has this distinctive genotype. So it was a migration of a single, genetically distinct group across the Bering Strait. The "natives" that seafaring Chinese may have interacted with weren't native. Their ancestors came over from Asia.

[roadcat]

Thanks for the insight, I stand corrected. I wasn’t aware that all these 41 tribes sampled have the same genotype. Wow.

[GreyFriar]

You lost me. There was this opening line of the news story: “Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence suggests.”

I did not read ‘in the form of C.C.” in the article.

of course I see this as ‘needs more research’ and examination of plausability. Haven’t the Irish maintained that St. Brendan or someone traveled to north american in the 600s? Of course that could be the result of good research involving a bottle or two of Bushmills. :)

[SunkenCiv]

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[zot]

The article begins with a picture of Columbus landing, and the caption: ”The tools could reassert the long dismissed and discredited claim that Europeans in the form of Christopher Columbus and his crew were the first to discover the New World.”

[GreyFriar]

Oh, I didn’t bother reading the caption. I just read the article, which didn’t make that claim (the CC was stone age) If you stopped there, and I understand why now that I’ve read it, please read the full article. Another reason to take photo caption writers with a massive dose of salt, or Irish whiskey.