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Push to give George Washington his birthday back
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Posted on 02/29/2012 6:03:44 PM PST by nuconvert

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"We need to change the focus from celebrating sales at the mall to celebrating the significance of President Washington's birth to the birth of our nation," said Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., sponsor of a bill to change the holiday to Feb. 22.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 112th; frankwolf; georgewashington; holiday; presidents; virginia; washingtonsbirthday
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1 posted on 02/29/2012 6:03:48 PM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

Can’t do that. Martin Luther King was so much more important than our Founding Fathers...

Gage mme.

Look, I think King did some important things and deserves to be recognized for it. A whole day dedicated to him? I’m not buying it.

Bring back George Washington’s birthday.

Relegate King to his proper status.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 6:08:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Lately I've heard some things about George Washington as a slave owner that I really didn't care for - things that really had the ring of truth to them. I'm going to have to learn more about Washington before I'm ready to set him back up on that pedestal. And, if he was indeed the superb human being that he is credited as being, I'm sure he would understand fully.

I've got one of his bios on my Amazon wish list - I'll have it on its way tonight. :)

3 posted on 02/29/2012 6:14:13 PM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke
Read James Flexner’s & Brookhiser’s works on Washington!
4 posted on 02/29/2012 6:19:46 PM PST by Reily
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To: The Duke

Really? Anything in p[articular?

Over the last five or six years I began reading as much as I could not only about Washington, but about that entire period, and apart from owning slaves (which wasn’t much different from other men of his station) I didn’t see much to change what became a deep admiration and appreciation of the man.

He was extraordinary by any standard, yesterday’s or today’s.


5 posted on 02/29/2012 6:27:36 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: nuconvert

Absolutely agree. There are so many presidents who don’t deserve a holiday, but George certainly does.


6 posted on 02/29/2012 6:28:25 PM PST by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: nuconvert
Wolf's only halfway there. If you recall, back before "Presidents Day" we had an individual holiday for both Washington and Lincoln. Bring 'em both back!



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

7 posted on 02/29/2012 6:39:47 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: The Duke

Those men lived in a different age. I’ve heard that in the day the United States had something like 5% of the world’s slaves. I’m not sure how accurate that is. I do know that no other nation on the planet has exhibited even a smidgen of the angst the U. S. does regarding slavery.

Washington had slaves. Jefferson had slaves. Other Founding Fathers probably did too. Do you know how those slaves were treated? They may have been treated more like family members than true slaves. Their living standard in the day may have been quite a bit higher than the average colonist. That doesn’t mitigate the idea that they were servants, and not free to leave. I will grant you that.

I don’t think I could have ever bought off on owning other human beings, but I would suspect it would depend on how I was raised, and how my family treated slaves during my formative years. Some families mistreated their slaves, and others treated them with a reasonable amount of respect.

As angry as some people get about slavery, it’s baffles me that you never hear of complaints about nations today, where slavery still exists. Have you ever heard a special interest group complain about that?

In the day, our nation was founded while not addressing slavery. Despite that, the Founding Documents were drafted with language that was bound to cause slavery to be addressed in time. It was. It was abolished.

Our Founders who drew up our Founding Documents cannot be dismissed for the contribution that made to this eventuality.

I think it peeves Liberals today that the United States exists at all. Trashing our Founders comes naturally to them.

I visited my fifth grade niece’s school room about ten years ago. One the wall was a student mural. It was about 2” (tall) x 8” in size. Washington was sitting on a horse, barely able to fit top to bottom. Lincoln was standing up, and barely able to fit top to bottom. Martin Luther King only had his face on the mural, and it barely fit top to bottom.

Guess what our kids are being taught.

Washington and our Founding Fathers risked their fortunes, lives, and future for you and I. King did that too, but only for a thin slice of our nation’s citizens. As I said, he deserves recognition, but at the expense of our Founding Fathers, no damn way.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 6:41:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Let King have his own holiday but for God’s sake Washington is the epitome of great Americans Without him there would be no country. The Founding Fathers worked hard to give us all this country Washing ‘s Darkest Hour was his time in Valley Forge. Reads it and teach it to our children.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 7:19:09 PM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: DoughtyOne

Let King have his own holiday but for God’s sake Washington is the epitome of great Americans Without him there would be no country. The Founding Fathers worked hard to give us all this country Washing ‘s Darkest Hour was his time in Valley Forge. Reads it and teach it to our children.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 7:19:22 PM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: rlmorel
What I heard about Washington on one of the history/discovery type channels last week was that one of his slaves escaped and would not return when Washington would not commit to let her keep her child.

His slave was assisted by an anti-slavery group that was pretty prevlent at the time, which suggests that slavery wasn't simply "the way things were".

In fact, the program went on to say that, as he was dying, Washington changed his will to specify that his slaves would be free after his wife died. This was also an indicator that he knew he was "in the wrong".

After Washington died his wife immediately freed all the slaves out of fear for her own life (because the slaves would have a vested interest in her own demise). This indicates that the slaves were not at all happy with the arrangement.

The interaction and history that Washington had with his slaves, as well as the fact that an underground railroad was already established, just suggests that, as a nation, we already knew that slavery was profoundly wrong.

11 posted on 02/29/2012 7:24:15 PM PST by The Duke
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To: nuconvert
100% for this.

Washington was the “Indispensable Man.”

Oldplayer

12 posted on 02/29/2012 7:41:44 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: nuconvert
100% for this.

Washington was the “Indispensable Man.”

Oldplayer

13 posted on 02/29/2012 7:41:59 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: nuconvert
100% for this. (For many years.)

Washington was the “Indispensable Man.” (James Flexner’s words)

Oldplayer

14 posted on 02/29/2012 7:44:58 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: nuconvert
100% for this. (For many years.)

Washington was the “Indispensable Man.” (James Flexner’s words)

Oldplayer

15 posted on 02/29/2012 7:45:09 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: oldplayer

Sorry. I know how to post singularly. Keyboard issue.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 7:46:43 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: nuconvert

And while we’re at it, let’s push for the other great president’s February birthday to be recognized, Pres. Ronald Reagan, born on February 6th.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 7:48:10 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: nuconvert
just what we need....ANOTHER federal holiday for the govt worker class...screw the rest of us....

NO MORE!

18 posted on 02/29/2012 7:51:49 PM PST by cherry
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To: ConorMacNessa
no more federal holidays....no more days off from school....no more 3 and 4 day holiday weekends for the govt class....

and this is so typical of republicans...our country is in bankruptcy and we have a shallow,stupid population that is growing in shallowness and stupidness every day, Iran wants to blow us and Israel up, and yet we have republicans talking about more holidays...

next they'll introduce the flag burning amendment and prayer in school....

19 posted on 02/29/2012 7:55:00 PM PST by cherry
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To: DoughtyOne
Look, I think King did some important things and deserves to be recognized for it.

Like what? Stealing his dissertation? Plagiarism is stealing. Beating up the prostitutes he hired? Committing adultery?

20 posted on 02/29/2012 7:58:02 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: DoughtyOne
That was well stated. I have read many of Washingtons books, perfect man, NO. Couragous, YES.

As you said he and many of the founding fathers and mothers, dedicated everything they had to the cause of Freedom. The women raised the crops, while the men were in the battle field. Those women spun the thread, made the clothes for the soldiers, they took these goods into the battle field, set up shop and provided for the men. Then back home again to start all over.

They would risk everything they owned, one women told them to burn her plantation home down, before she would allow it to be turned over to the British. This country was freed by the sacrifices of those people. Every American black or white owes them more than can ever be re-payed. Some used their whole fortune to help the war effort, they were never re-payed and never regained their fortune.

These people had slaves, not that they liked it, but the slaves where here, someone was going to own them, best be someone who cared for them.

Jefferson, never wanted slavery, BUT, he knew if he set them free, they could not provide for themselves, and bounty hunters would capture them anf return them to slavery. Jefferson trained his slaves for future freedom, or wanted to, those that wanted to learn a trade could do so, those that were lazy was sent to the fields.

If I were an American black today, I would be thanking my father in heaven that one of my ancestors was once a slave.

I approve of restoring George Washingtons birthday.

21 posted on 02/29/2012 8:13:24 PM PST by annieokie
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To: The Duke
Most of them knew it was wrong and wanted to do something about it when the Constitution was written, they also knew they needed the south to agree to the constitution, so they left the abolition of slavery out.

Washington himself was not a wealthy man, his brother being the oldest inherited everything from their father. George inherited Mt. Vernon from his brother upon his death. George then set out to find a wife. Martha was the Richest available woman, she owned all those slaves. All her fortune became his, so this could indicate that George on his death bed knew he owed more to Martha than simple abandonment.

If she was in fear for her life, she would have been in fear through all the years George was not home, but out in some campaign of the war, and that was many a long periods of time.

Whatever happened, as Americans we do owe General Washington a great deal of respect.

22 posted on 02/29/2012 8:30:08 PM PST by annieokie
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To: RightLady

I agree with you. Exactly right.


23 posted on 02/29/2012 11:29:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: ladyjane

LadyJane, if that’s his record, then I support it being out in the open. I’m pretty sure the guy was a flawed man, but I haven’t looked into it in earnest.


24 posted on 02/29/2012 11:30:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

As do I, and I appreciate you weighing in.


25 posted on 02/29/2012 11:32:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

BTW, we’re in full agreement concerning your comments. I think you already knew that.


26 posted on 02/29/2012 11:33:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: The Duke

What an Idiot,words Fail me, You Buffoon


27 posted on 03/01/2012 3:34:55 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: DoughtyOne

I would like to add to your thoughts about the history of slavery in America, something that never gets mentioned:

There was no other Road To America for black Africans than the slave ship.

I am NOT condoning slavery. Of course it was a hideous institution and a hold-over from barbaric days and barbaric ways of thought.

And of course no non-Muslim today would ever even THINK of owning another human being.

But the fact remains, if I were a Black American I would thank God for the suffering that my ancestors had to endure, suffering that enabled me to grow up here, in the United States, rather than any of the stink-hole nation-states on the African continent.

Again, I’m not saying slavery was a good thing and of course slave owners didn’t own slaves for the sake of the future welfare of the slaves’ descendents.

But the fact remains, without the historical fact of slavery and the slave trade, Black Americans would have all grown up in horrible stink-holes in Africa.

And by the way, some of those stink-holes are ruled by Arab Muslims who, in fact, HOLD BLACK AFRICAN SLAVES TODAY... a fact ignored by every liberal and leftist on Planet Earth.


28 posted on 03/01/2012 3:49:31 AM PST by samtheman
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To: The Duke
If you want to get a good idea of what George Washington the man was like, read this book http://www.amazon.com/George-Washingtons-War-Revolutionary-Presidency/dp/140220406X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330603066&sr=1-2 “George Washington's War” by Bruce Chadwick. He had what many would consider an extreme sense of justice. He had many men flogged or hung for desertion, but at the same time refused the Continental Congresses orders to confiscate provisions for his Army and made sure the founders bills were paid.
29 posted on 03/01/2012 4:04:27 AM PST by Woodman
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To: nuconvert

Indeed if anyone should have a holiday it would be Washington. Certainly not Michael King, aka MLK, the poster child for Socialist everywhere.


30 posted on 03/01/2012 4:09:14 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: ballplayer
What an Idiot,words Fail me, You Buffoon

I'm no buffoon, nor am I an idiot. I'm also not somebody who's going to march down the street beating the drum without being fully informed.

I've spent years studying many aspects of US and World history, but have not yet studied Washington specifically. I believe any of our founding fathers who owned slaves should be studied carefully in the cold light of day.

31 posted on 03/01/2012 8:17:49 AM PST by The Duke
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, I know we agree. Just adding what I knew for the benefit of others. There is so much to learn about those times. I have tried to read as many books as I can find about the General, every now and then I will find one/some of my KIN named, they were neighbors.


32 posted on 03/01/2012 8:22:41 AM PST by annieokie
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To: DoughtyOne
Apparently that is his record. He very definitely plagiarized his dissertation at Boston University. Verbatim sentences and paragraphs. At least 40% or more is not his. That is major league plagiarizing. Re the adultery, the FBI was following him because of his ties to the communist party and apparently documented his liaisons with prostitutes. His preference was white prostitutes. He was with two of them the night before he died. MLK was no George Washington.
33 posted on 03/01/2012 8:40:10 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: samtheman
I would like to add to your thoughts about the history of slavery in America, something that never gets mentioned:  Okay, thank you.

There was no other Road To America for black Africans than the slave ship.  I agree.

I am NOT condoning slavery. Of course it was a hideous institution and a hold-over from barbaric days and barbaric ways of thought.

I agree here, and I would ask folks to consider what was taking place in the world at the time.  Europe was itself not a particularly enlightened continent at the time.  Africa was still deepest darkest Africa.  Asia wasn't free from strife.  Russia was broiling.

Religious persecution was the norm in Europe.  People were not well educated as a whole.   People were escaping the European continent, to find a new destiny in the Americas.  Slavery that had existed for thousands of years, was still something that was being conducted.  I'm not proud of it, and I don't know a single person who is.  None the less it was our nation and others who decided that our societies would stop the practice, elevate the former slaves to equal status with others, and transition them to full class citizens over time.  Slavery died out in part because of the United States.  Yes, some of it's citizens were generational offenders, but we as a people came to the conclusion that we didn't want to treat people that way, and we endured a very destructive war to end it.

For the first time in recorded history, slavery was effectively being eradicated.  This took place in no small part here, as a result of our Founding Documents.  They included language that heralded the rights of man.  And those rights weren't limited to just certain men.  It covered all men.  I know some people will make a big deal out of the use of the word man here, but it was meant in those days by extention to mean humanity, covering women and children too.  Contining with the same thought, I know that people will also address the issue that women were not given rights in the day, and that is true.  None the less, the Founding Documents did lead to full rights for every breathing human.  It was the first set of Founding Documents by any government to do so. It granted those rights because those rights were gifted from God.  No government should be able to infringe upon them.

Continuing, people will also say that the only reason women and Blacks have rights today, is becasue they fought for them.   To an extent, I agree.  None the less, without those Founding Documents there would have been no basis for those folks to claim equal rights under the U. S. Constitution.

Yes, we conducted slavery, as other societies had since the dawn of man.  And yes, we were one of the first societies in human history to universally abolish it.

And of course no non-Muslim today would ever even THINK of owning another human being.  Shhhh... ;^)

But the fact remains, if I were a Black American I would thank God for the suffering that my ancestors had to endure, suffering that enabled me to grow up here, in the United States, rather than any of the stink-hole nation-states on the African continent.

On the one hand, I understand where you are coming from, and there is a broad vein of truth running through it.  None the less, we can't prescribe the personal perceptions family heirs have to something like ancestrial slavery.  I reflect back on Joseph from the Bible, a man sold into slavery who so dedicated his life to God and indentured servitude, that he rose above it all to become one of the most respected men of not only his host slavery owning nation, but humankind through the ages.  He was given the right to move his family there to live in peace and freedom.  He was a man that has been remember favorably through the ages, for thousands of years.  This was a man that was himself the initial slave, and he achieved this.  Now we have people who haven't had a slave in their family for close to 150 years, and still can't shake it off.  Racism made it almost impossible for a considerable length of time, but even so there were insprired achievers like George Washington Carver, Booker T. Washington and others who did.  Certainly in the day and age we now live in, advanced achievement is possible, and quite likely if a person applies themself.        

Again, I’m not saying slavery was a good thing and of course slave owners didn’t own slaves for the sake of the future welfare of the slaves’ descendents.  I agree, and I understand the dynamic your addressing here.

But the fact remains, without the historical fact of slavery and the slave trade, Black Americans would have all grown up in horrible stink-holes in Africa.

I agree with this, but I also firmly believe that if someone was taken to heaven against their will, they would regret losing family, friends, and their former societies.  Choice, doing something because you wanted to after weighing the pros and cons, is vitally important to humans.  Resentment follows the absense of this.  Yes the United States is much more advanced, as you have addressed it, but some folks cannot get over having been plucked from their heritage.  I can understand that, and I'm sure you can too.  At some point in time though, what has happened needs to be accepted and let go of.  We can't undo things.  The most desiring and capable person on the planet, with a vast willing following, couldn't do that.  I am sorry for what happened, but at some point people have to agree to move on.  Frankly, I think most folks have.  You have your race baiters and their followers, but most folks get it.  We hear the loud mouthed race baitors, and the folks they have misled, but for the most part I think Blacks have moved on.  I respect the people who have.  I am saddened by the folks who can't.  I don't think it brings them happiness.

And by the way, some of those stink-holes are ruled by Arab Muslims who, in fact, HOLD BLACK AFRICAN SLAVES TODAY... a fact ignored by every liberal and leftist on Planet Earth.

Yes, that is true.  It's a real shame too.  What I find ironic, is that the only special interest group on the planet that still practices slavery, is the one that attracts Blacks the most to join it's ranks.  It is done in no small part as a rebellion against the nation that abolished slavery on it's shores, but alligns them none the less with an entity that still does condone slavery.

Thanks for the comments.  You raise some valid points, and it was nice to be able to bounce thoughts off them.




34 posted on 03/01/2012 9:19:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

Thank you AnnieOkie. Relatives that were neighbors, how cool is that!


35 posted on 03/01/2012 9:41:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Woodman

Thanks much for the book recommendation. I will definitely check that out. :)


36 posted on 03/01/2012 9:49:31 AM PST by The Duke
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To: DoughtyOne
It is cool. The General wrote about them in his diaries, over to dine with him, fox hunting, etc. One was Invited to his funeral, that is a wow for me.

Knowing this through genealogy has been a help for my grandchildren in their school work.

I love reading about those times, and wonder if I could have made it. Guess I would if I were there, but I doubt that I would ever have left ENGLAND, no sir, not getting on that Mayflower, send me a card. rofl.

37 posted on 03/01/2012 9:57:39 AM PST by annieokie
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To: ladyjane
Thank you LadyJane.

Please bear with me as I make comments about things I know you are aware of.  I still think it's important for people to read comments like this from time to time, so here goes.

I had heard of some of these things before, and I think you are right to address them. I had heard of the plagiarism before, but the particulars had slipped my mind. As for the FBI following people, in those days you weren’t anyone of note if the FBI wasn’t on your tail. Hoover had a file on many public figures. I’ve heard of the womanizing King had done also. It was another blight on his image.  As for his connection to Communist figures, that may be true.  With the Cold War at it's zenith, I think it was somewhat of a national security concern.  It was worth keeping an eye on IMO.

I guess the point for me is this. Even if King was perfect, Washington was our Founding Father. King, while a highly visible flawed and yet also positive public figure wasn’t the only person trying to win civil rights for Blacks. You (well maybe not you, but most people) would be amazed to know how many White public figures and people behind the scenes were working for civil rights and walking with King on those marches.

He made some important speeches, and participated in a movement to achieve civil rights for blacks. Other Black public figures advocated for the same thing. Civil rights attorneys were hard at work. Most of them were probably White civil rights attorneys.

I'm not here to trash King, because I do respect what he was trying to achieve.  At the same time, I do recognize that the Left in the United States adopted him as a cause celebre, after in many instances fighting against what he wanted to achieve for more than one hundred years.  And they did it purely for public relations purposes.  Who for the most part were the slave owners going back hundreds of years?  In most instances they were the Dixie Democrats.  The names of George Wallace, Orval Faubus, and Robert Byrd come to mind, when you think about the highly visible champions of racism against Blacks in King's day.  Peope who think the Demcrats have always championed civil rights, are dead wrong.  Byrd, an ex klan leader and recruiter served as a Democrat in the U. S. Congress into the 21st Century.

Civil rights bills would never have been passed, without a significant contribution of Republican politicians.  Left to the Democrats, this Legislation was dead in a Democrat majority Congress.

I love Ronald Reagan, and what he did for our nation.  What most folks don't think about is that he brought about the end of the Cold War without firing a shot. That was a monumental achievement for humanity, presenting freedom hundreds of millions of humans across Europe and Asia. He caused a number of nations in Central and South America to leave communist governments or movements also. That’s far superior to what King helped achieve.

Numerous entire nations exist today, because of Ronald Reagan. Some of them drew up their Founding Documents based on ours.  Ronald Reagan is a hero to the citizens of those nations.  Many more nations are free self-determining nations because of Ronald Reagan, and they reverence him also.

Because of Ronald Reagan, the lives of people on at least four Continents were vastly improved, hundreds of millions given sovereign self-determination for the first time in decades.

Reagan had direct positive impact on the lives of upwards of one billion people on planet earth. Asia, Europe, South America, and North America, benefited from Ronald Reagan.  King had direct impact on the lives of a few tens of millions U. S. Citizens.  That's not meant to denigrate King.  It's merely an attempt to keep things in perspective.

Would I want to see Reagan knock George Washington’s birthday off the calender? No.

In the same way Washington and our Founding Fathers made Ronald Reagan possible, he and they made Martin Luther King possible.

Without our form of government, an MLK would not have been possible. Imagine him trying to participate in the same type of movement in the U. S. S. R., China, or any number of Asian, European, Middle-Eastern, African, or even Central and South American nations.

People really do need to get a grip with regard to King.  The memory of him should not be destroyed, but it shouldn't cause folks to supersede more important figures in our nation's rich history either.

Thanks for bearing with me...

38 posted on 03/01/2012 10:56:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

Of course it’s a wow for you. Darn right. That kind of thing and the research does appeal to me. I’m starting to do a little digging myself.

You know, the option to come to the new world in the day, was appealing to folks who were experiencing difficulties and particularly governmental institutionalized religious intolerance.

If you were down on your luck, the New World looked like a path to freedom. I’ll bet you would have done well under those circumstances.


39 posted on 03/01/2012 11:03:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Interesting point on your BET. lol

Sitting comfortably at my desk, I can say you lose. I am basically a coward and do not like risks, but you have a good point.

I have also said I would never have made that miserable wagon trip west, but glad mine did. Hard life.

Think of this: What if space travel and a planet that would sustain life were available. Then think of the earth being destroyed by mans wars. Would you go onboard a space ship if it were offered?

That is a hard one for me. I am an old coward. rofl. But, I would fund my grandchildren the chance to go.

40 posted on 03/01/2012 11:28:38 AM PST by annieokie
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To: DoughtyOne
BTW: I hope you do some research on your family, never know what you will find.

Ever since I found out the family connection to Gen.Washington, I always go to the index to see if their name is mentioned.

Same with other lines. We are in the history books, yours may be as well. Here is a place that may help you find some of yours. www.findagrave.com

It is now becoming the BEST genealogical website there is and its FREE. You will have to (free)register if you choose to add a family name as a memorial. Check it out, there are many, many pictures of the people and documents of proof if available.

Just this last year, through Find a Grave, I have been contacted by long lost never knew cousins. About 10 have emailed me with WE ARE COUSINS, but then I invited that in my memorials. Now we are planning some type of reunion. These people never knew about their ancestry.

It is a fun adventure, and now I plan my vacations around where these people lived.

41 posted on 03/01/2012 11:37:39 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

Well, I accept that I lost that bet, but I’m not happy about it... :^)

I would go. If it was a planet that sustained life, I would gladly go.

I believe man has an obligation to spread throughout the universe. I would hate to see the day that something happened to earth, and the history, accomplishments, and enlightenment (including political concepts) of man were to cease to exist.

Needless to say, I would want good solid minds to be there, and that means people like you.


42 posted on 03/01/2012 12:01:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

I appreciate the mention of FindAGrave. Great.

I know what you mean, talking about the records, family members, and such. The rich history, records, and photos aer of great interest. Very cool...

Take care.


43 posted on 03/01/2012 12:17:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Your very kind, but you would not want me, trust me. I am a coward, so I would not be there, but I would fund anyone that wanted to make the trip. The new frontier.

Tell you what, my kids thought I was very smart, little did they know. lol

I just never ever allowed them to think they could not accomplish what they wanted to. Negative was not allowed in my house.

I thought they were great, then they would say "Your just prejudiced, your our mother you have to think that" lol

Then I would challenge them. "Argue with GOD, tell him your not great, don't tell me about it, stay stupid, your choice." Shut them up, and they are achievers and good productive citizens.

44 posted on 03/01/2012 12:28:46 PM PST by annieokie
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To: DoughtyOne
Your welcome. I wish you good luck in your new adventure of finding your kin.

One more interesting note: when I was being contacted by cousins, found out that one of them lived for 15 years just about 5 miles from me. She is off a sibling branch that I had been searching for. Another off that same branch contacted me and we email all the time.

Ok. time to stop. Enjoy the find a grave site, I know you will.

45 posted on 03/01/2012 12:38:20 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

Good for you. BTW, when the opportunity comes to go to another planet, I’ll be in touch. LOL

Glad your kids had you.

D1


46 posted on 03/01/2012 1:28:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: annieokie

I find it interesting to know that I may have run into my spouse earlier in life than we are aware of. It’s a small world, so I know what you mean.

Take care...


47 posted on 03/01/2012 1:31:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
You might. My hubbys kin and mine lived at one time in VA., only about 10 miles apart. I know my family must have know of those Germans, possibly met them in some tavern or store.

You will find some bad apples, but they are not you. One of my hubbys kin (cousin) ran with Cantrell, whew, hubby not happy. Then I found my g g grandfather was killed by a jealous husband. That evened the score in this house.

Good luck. If you start your genealogy, and need supplies, forms. Just do a search for Genealogy forms,plenty of them on line for free.

I would be willing to bet that in find a grave, your family is already there. Strangers go out into cemeteries and inventory all the graves, then post that info with pics in that site. If you ask them nicely and explain your relationship with the deceased, they will transfer the management of the memorial to you.

Hey, if you need help, just private reply and I can help. Find a Grave is to genealogists as FreeRepublic is to conservatives. That big.

48 posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:55 PM PST by annieokie
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To: DoughtyOne

You want funding??? rofl. Well, why not, if this planet is doomed my money not worth much. lol


49 posted on 03/01/2012 1:52:30 PM PST by annieokie
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To: The Duke

Like I said You are an idiot


50 posted on 03/01/2012 6:31:39 PM PST by ballplayer
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