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Good Grief… Now Team Obama Wants to Blow Up 3 Dams In the Name of Junk Science
Gateway Pundit ^ | Feb 29,2012 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/29/2012 7:09:27 PM PST by Baynative

Just when you thought things couldn’t get any weirder… The Obama Administration now wants to demolish three dams in northern California to supposedly save the salmon… But the whole reason to support the move was based on shoddy and inconclusive scientific data.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agenda21; california; dams; environazis; junkscience; klamath; landgrab; obama; oregon; propertyrights; unagenda21
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To: Baynative

This is not Jeff Head’s territory. It is mine. This is southwest of the Klamath Falls area. The area below the dams is not heavily farmed. This is the mid-Klamath. In fact, some of the very Klamath Project farmers who were affected by the water turn off at the head gates are now in favor of dam removal. They were quite willing to stab my people in the back to trade for gains in their water and electricity price needs.

The people of the mid Klamath include the retirees and communities who live around the reservoirs behind the dams. They include resort owners and river folk who will be flooded out by uncontrolable flooding. They include fishing guides, miners, loggers and some small family farms that have been handed down since the 1850s.

Dam removal will damage infrastructure (roads, bridges,) kill fish and possibly all living things in the river for several years. (And it will walk away from any liability, leaving locals holding the bag.) It will mess up the City of Yreka’s water supply. It will leave raw stinking mudflats for the people around the reservoirs that will be a seedbed for noxious weeds. It will destroy one of the finest white water rafting areas in the US. It will remove the settling effects of the reservoirs on nutrients and organics (algae) and create a hot nutrient rich soup that will be plugged with algae. It will remove the power of the reservoirs to act as settling ponds for the putrid water that comes in from Oregon. It will reduce water flows in the summer to a much lower level. It will turn a county that is a net exporter of energy into one that is a net consumer of energy produced elsewhere.

It will also drag two agriclutural areas - the Scott and Shasta Valleys into the mess. (These are areas with small family heritage farms.) Plans are to use restrictions on their water and land use to mitigate the impact of the upper Klamath on salmon.

To top it off, the whole thing is based on manipulated science to intentionaly support dam removal: Fired federal adviser files whistle-blower complaint over Klamath dam removal Here are his allegations: and his bio

The Board of Sups hired a consultant and found several irregularities in the science

There are also scientists at ESIPRI who are reviewing the integrity of the science:

41 posted on 02/29/2012 10:38:21 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Baynative; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; marsh2

The “studies” gives scant attention to the thousands of Cu yards of sediment piled up behind the three dams and the destruction it will cause down stream and the rate payers are being forced to pay for this farce...

42 posted on 02/29/2012 10:42:34 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: marsh2

I should have known you would be hear...

43 posted on 02/29/2012 10:46:58 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: SunkenCiv; carolinablonde; marvlus; ApplegateRanch; Berlin_Freeper; Genesis defender; golux; ...
Thanx for the ping SunkenCiv !


Beam me to Planet Gore !

44 posted on 03/01/2012 2:41:25 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: marsh2; Baynative; SierraWasp; Jeff Head

Thanks for weighing in Marsh. You are the person who understands this more than anyone. I can see one of these dams from my front window.

45 posted on 03/01/2012 6:49:40 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: marsh2; Baynative; SierraWasp; AuntB; All

Exactly, Marsh2.

Sadly, as with all groups, and we saw it in spades in 2001, there are farmers too who will try and “go along to get along.”

Now that the 2001 crisis is long past (although never truly resolved, either adequately or constitutionally), some are once again complacent.

This order, this effort just punctuates the willingness the individuals who want to destroy the agricultural and natrual resource capability of America are still fighting hard and stoill committing their tracesties, lies, illegal takings, unconstituional acts, and power mongering and marxist efforts to destroy America.

They must be fought on all fronts and the people have to come together to do so.

As with the Clinton years, under an Obama, and particularly an Eric Holder leadership, doing so will be very dangerous. We may hope that a change occurs in November like it did on November of 2000.

Although Bush was slow to act and help those who supported him, we eventually made enough impact to get him to act and the new DOI and BOR leaders ultimately came to the aid of the farmers. If Obama stays in power, I fear as we conservative, loyal to the constitution Americans protest and try to civilly protect our rights, that Salazaar and Holder would push it to violence to try and brutally and forcefully put down any such protest.

We went to Klamath without guns, in fact I wrote and distributed an email to amny, many people as I left sayoing specifically that I was leaving mine at home. But we also contacted all the militia leaders and others to be on guard and prepared in case it turned bad...because if it had, there would have been a different kind of fight ensue. I thank God and my Savior it did not lead to that in that case...but it is always possible when dealing with power hungry and power mad fanatics who want to step on the individual, unalienable rights of those standing up to defend them.

So...organnize, protest, and stand in November like our liberty and life depends on it (because IMHO, they do), and be careful and wise in this.

God grant that we can stand and thwart another effort to further erode, negatively impact, and destroy our prosperity and way of life.


46 posted on 03/01/2012 8:17:52 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (
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To: marsh2; TEXOKIE;; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; CharlyFord; cripplecreek; ...
Thank you for the detailed explanation.

The Damage Done to the Environment by Barack Obama and his fanatical Czars is unknown to most people and almost always based on false science and contrived dangers to some endangered or sacred fish or insect.

It was junk science and the "by any means" Agenda 21 movement that became the catalyst for the creation of ESIPRI as we fought against burdensome and unconstitutional shoreline and riparian restrictions here in Western Washington State. The allied forces of the Olympic Stewardship Foundation and the Citizens Alliance for Property Rights (CAPR)were fighting a good fight, but losing ground to false science and the fanatical environmentalism supported by our tax dollars thorough the EPA and individual departments of ecology. This assault on our environment, our constitutional rights and our common sense will continue to succeed unless we educate more people and get them involved.

To all who are following this or other threads please understand how valuable a service the folks at ESIPRI are doing on your behalf. It is no small task to take the time to disprove what agenda driven activists will accept as "Best Available Science" if it supports their objectives. We have even seen undergraduate college papers and letters to the editor enter the public record and claim factual representation. We've seen people sympathetic with the ideals of Agenda 21 can gain credibility by taking an 8 hour course on recycling or beach watching, while PhD scientists run up against a brick wall in trying to present factual scientific data to self serving politicians. Thus the need for dedicated folks like those who participate in the ESIPRI process if unbiased and independent peer review.

I know it's election season and we have just gone through a quarterly fundraiser here at FR, but any donation you can make to them would be a great help.

Marsh, I hope you will keep us informed. I have a short Agenda 21 ping list, but nothing specific to dams and rivers. If there is one you know of, please ping them to this thread and add me to any lists you have as well. Thanks

BUT WAIT ...there's more---This just came in from a friend of mine at ESIPRI

Jim —
"This issue has changed dramatically this week.

Trademark America has been working with the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors on a formal coordination process with the Department of Interior on the Klamath Dams removal issue. On Monday, Secretary of Interior Salazar announced that instead of making and publishing a decision by March 31, he will now await Congressional approval prior to making and announcing a decision.

Since the current House of Representatives will not provide that approval, the dams are safe for now . . . unless the House reverts to Democrat control and the Republicans fail to win the Senate."

47 posted on 03/01/2012 8:51:34 AM PST by Baynative (Please check this out -
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To: Baynative

Obama’s Great Lakes czar, Cameron Davis is the head of the Alliance for the great lakes. They see dam removal as one of their top priorities.

48 posted on 03/01/2012 9:12:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: tubebender

“The “studies” gives scant attention to the thousands of Cu yards of sediment piled up behind the three dams and the destruction it will cause down stream and the rate payers are being forced to pay for this farce.”

You are exactly right. A recent dam removal on the Rogue in So. Oregon is causing all kinds of sludge mess and they have no idea what to do with it.

2,000,000 Ten Yard Dump Trucks of Hazardous Sediment will be released into the Klamath River
Nov 28, 2011
Klamath River & Dams
The sediment chart below is a brief on the 20 million (20,000,000!) cubic yards of sediment debris captured behind the four Klamath River dams that will be released with dam removal.
On October 20, 2011, at a Department of Interior (DOI) event, Oregon Senator Doug Whitsett stated for public record that the Federal Energy Commission estimated that 20,000,000 cubic yards has accumulated behind the four dams.
The draft Environmental Impact Statement does not appear to mitigate 20,000,000 cubic yards of sediment.
*That amount of sediment is equal to approximately 2,000,000 ten yard dump truck loads of silt, sediment and organic muck not to mention possible hazardous levels of Chromium-6 as found in the recent dam removal on the Rogue River in Southern Oregon!
Said chart indicates the possible damages in a profile graph regarding the potential depth of the sediment debris that will effect the anadromous fish and salmon egg redds spawning habitat on the Klamath River from River Mile 190 (RM) (about 6 feet in depth) at Iron Gate Dam, to the Pacific Ocean, RM 00 (at a depth of about 0.5 feet) if and when the proposed dams are breached.

49 posted on 03/01/2012 9:22:48 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
I hope no one misses this brief speech by Congressman Tom McClintock!!!

click here please.

50 posted on 03/01/2012 9:27:15 AM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: combat_boots
Of course, none considering removing the dams have factored into their proposal the 'goo' (saturated fine sediment) that would be left behind, nor the adverse effect on riparian fauna as it sloughed and produced high turbidity events in the watershed.

Either that (or more obviously), the fish are merely an excuse to do the greatest amount of economic damage possible.

51 posted on 03/01/2012 10:50:10 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SgtHooper

Actually, the fish will go crazy when all the silt which has been deposited in the reservoirs is released...for fish, that will be the equivalent of breathing thick smoke, and just as healthy.

52 posted on 03/01/2012 11:01:31 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Baynative

Maybe Obama really wants to jack up food prices some more by making another area of land unfit to grow crops.

53 posted on 03/01/2012 1:07:11 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s pretty simple -

if it makes the lives of Americans better, he’s against it.
if it makes their lives more peasant-like, he’s for it.

54 posted on 03/01/2012 1:10:03 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SierraWasp

Bump for Tom Mc...

55 posted on 03/01/2012 5:00:51 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet; Vince Ferrer
Those dams were releasing too much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
I suggest that you retract the above statement ....

I suggest that the statement is totally inaccurate. Those dams do NOT release CO^2*. The real problem is that those old generators arc & spark, creating OZONE a pollutant 500 times worse than CO^2, because the dam operators refuse to retrofit the generators & water turbines with EPA approved emission control systems. /S

*According to a study (EPA & NEA [category, Performance Art] funded) by Vegan Artists For Obama And Saving The Environment For Free Swimming Fish

56 posted on 03/01/2012 7:07:28 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If any of their "Alternatives" actually works, the Greenies will proceed to kill it.)
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To: Boogieman

Better to have a thousand armed “Minutemen” defending it.

57 posted on 03/02/2012 10:12:45 PM PST by tdscpa
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To: SierraWasp
Why the hell can we not vote for Tom McClintock in the 2012 Republican Presidential Primary elections?
58 posted on 03/02/2012 10:32:06 PM PST by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

Sure, more effective in one aspect at least, but then the media would just spin it that we were kooks preaching violence, and the public would turn a blind eye to any action the government took against us, just like they did to the Branch-Davidians. It’s much easier to get a PR victory if you put yourself in a position where the government has to either resort to violence without any possible justification, or fold. The leftists learned that lesson from Gandhi very well, and I know it goes against the grain to suggest we can learn anything from their “hippie” tactics, but I say, if a weapon is effective, we shouldn’t cede it to the enemy but rather keep it our quiver as well.

59 posted on 03/02/2012 11:39:55 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: The Antiyuppie
Really? Don’t think so...I think that it would collapse more quickly, if anything...

Not if they "Occupy" the ridge lines near the dam. Since that's wild country, they'll need their "hunting rifles" to defend themselves against the bears and cougars. You know the ones with the ten power scopes and calibers like .308, .338 and .50. :)

60 posted on 03/04/2012 4:42:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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