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Cokie and Steve Roberts: Why tide has turned in favor of gay marriage [retread zot]
Erie Times-News ^ | 3/1/12 | Cokie & Steve Roberts

Posted on 03/01/2012 7:01:04 AM PST by Short Bus

John Bohanan opposed a same-sex marriage law in the Maryland legislature last year, and the measure lost. But in February, the Democratic lawmaker decided to change his vote, and with his help, the bill narrowly passed.

"Once I began to look at this through the eyes of my own kids and other young people, it became pretty clear," the father of four sons, ages 17 to 21, told the Washington Post. "You want them to have love, and if that's how they want to express it, you want them to be able to do it openly."

Wade Kach, a conservative Republican, backed the marriage measure after a hearing at which gay couples talked poignantly about forming families of their own. "As a pro-life Republican, I believe it's my responsibility to make sure children are taken care of," he explained. "I left that hearing a changed person."

Bohanan and Kach reflect a national tide that is running swiftly in favor of gay marriage....

Last year, for the first time, national polls showed a majority of Americans favoring same-sex marriage. Statistician Nate Silver, writing in the New York Times, estimates that support for the concept is growing by 4 percentage points every year. By the November election, he forecasts, 56 percent will favor legalizing gay unions and only 40 percent will oppose them....

...."As more gays and lesbians come out of the closet, more parents, children, siblings, friends, neighbors and co-workers know or love someone who is gay. Because few people favor discrimination against those they know and love, every gay person coming out of the closet creates more supporters of gay equality."...

(Excerpt) Read more at goerie.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biggayzot; equality; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; marriage; trends

1 posted on 03/01/2012 7:01:13 AM PST by Short Bus
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To: Short Bus

The ascension of law over moral absolutes, and the ascension of decadence. But I repeat myself.


2 posted on 03/01/2012 7:04:19 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Short Bus

Hey, if you want to know the real reason, just go to Youtube and look at some of those videos of wildebeests being eaten alive by hyenas. At first the wildebeest struggles, but at some point exhaustion sets in and he resigns himself to his fate, allowing the hyenas to tear him apart and devour him without resistance.


3 posted on 03/01/2012 7:04:57 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Short Bus
'...Once I began to look at this through the eyes of my own kids and other young people, it became pretty clear," the father of four sons, ages 17 to 21, told the Washington Post. "You want them to have love...'

But what they will get is random and promiscuous sex, betrayal, instability, addiction, violence and disease

4 posted on 03/01/2012 7:05:14 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Short Bus
To hear these people tell it, the whole word is queer - or actually, by the definition, I am!

*Puke*

5 posted on 03/01/2012 7:05:40 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: PGR88
But what they will get is random and promiscuous sex, betrayal, instability, addiction, violence and disease

and entrapment by the radical homosexual groups. Look at how they treat people who try to leave the lifestyle.

6 posted on 03/01/2012 7:08:34 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Newt: "The high price of gas is the deliberate strategy of the left.")
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To: Short Bus
"I believe it's my responsibility to make sure children are taken care of"

Like the best way to do that would be to hand over somebody else's kids to a gay couple . . . What is WRONG with these people???

7 posted on 03/01/2012 7:11:39 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Short Bus

It’s all part of a much longer historical cycle, which repeats itself over again.

There are days of spiritual revival and blessing, and then there are days of decadence and destruction.

It’s a cycle that men really have no power to avoid, other than through prayer and personal revival with God.


8 posted on 03/01/2012 7:12:36 AM PST by lurk
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To: Short Bus

So this dude decided to look at the issue through the eyes of his children and other young people? Is that a smart thing to do?

I’ve learned that some of the people who think they are the smartest people alive are teenage girls. They feel they have greater knowledge and wisdom than eveybody else. Do we want teenage girls making our laws and social policies? Is that what he is saying? We’re going to see how young people feel about an issue and vote accordingly?

And what’s this about expressing love and all that? The way this issue gets discussed is so distorted. This issue has nothing to do with consenting adults expressing whatever they want to express behind closed doors. The issue is how society and the law defines marriage. People are free to have whatever relationship they want to have, the issue is how does the law view that relationship, not whether they are allowed to have that relationship.

According to a Massachusetts study of homosexuals in that state, only 20% of all homosexuals in monogamous relationships are married. That’s not 20% of all homosexuals, that is 20% of all homosexuals who say they are in a relationship.

So it appears that the gay activists are fighting hard for homosexual marriage. Then, once that right is gained, they decide they don’t really want to be married. Isn’t that interesting?


9 posted on 03/01/2012 7:13:25 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Short Bus
You want them to have love, and if that's how they want to express it, you want them to be able to do it openly."

You could make the exact same argument for pedophiles, zoophiles, polygamists etc.

10 posted on 03/01/2012 7:16:44 AM PST by apillar
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To: Short Bus

I’m proud to say in my state of West Virginia gay marriage is still opposed by nearly a 70/30 margin. So it will NEVER be the law here, unless it’s shoved down our throats by the Supreme Court like abortion was.


11 posted on 03/01/2012 7:18:11 AM PST by apillar
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To: Short Bus

“You want them to have love, and if that’s how they want to express it, you want them to be able to do it openly.”

It’s not about “love” or being able to express their love “openly”. Homosexuals can already do that. This is about forced acceptance of homosexuality.


12 posted on 03/01/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Short Bus

Sounds like bohanan and kach got caught on film on their knees somewhere.

Why else would a “conservative” back the liberal dream?


13 posted on 03/01/2012 7:22:25 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Short Bus

Sounds like bohanan and kach got caught on film on their knees somewhere.

Why else would a “conservative” back the liberal dream?


14 posted on 03/01/2012 7:22:37 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Short Bus

John Bohanon is inmy district, and I will take great pleasure in working to see that he is replaced come election time.

John Bohanon just sold out heterosexual relationships for the perverts.

I sincerely hope he lives to regret voting for perverts.


15 posted on 03/01/2012 7:24:13 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Short Bus

Liberals in our nations various press outlets have become very dangerous. They have realized their power in forming opinion rather than reporting news. In so much as millions now think the nation is supportive of gay marriage a little work in looking at how we have come to this is very revealing but the average Joe does not exert the effort to do so. Our own apathy and complacency has brought us to this point.

They may actually have the power to get Obama re-elected in spite of reality. We are living in times where the nation itself is threatened...and all from within. This was forecast long ago by history itself.


16 posted on 03/01/2012 7:24:26 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

You summed it up perfectly.


17 posted on 03/01/2012 7:26:50 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Short Bus

I guess the ‘heads I win tails you lose’ leftists will now accept the ‘will of the people’.


18 posted on 03/01/2012 7:31:04 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Short Bus

what “tide”???

How about judicial activism and a spineless GOP that won’t challenge abuses of power?

Bypassing the properly executed public vote in California?
Bypassing the legislature entirely in Connecticut?


19 posted on 03/01/2012 7:39:40 AM PST by kidd
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To: Short Bus

Why tide has turned in favor of gay marriage: The notion that SIN doesn’t exist.


20 posted on 03/01/2012 7:52:11 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Short Bus

Why tide has turned in favor of gay marriage: The notion that SIN doesn’t exist.


21 posted on 03/01/2012 7:52:28 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: apillar
"same argument...pedophiles"

I've expressed those same sentiments. According to their logic, if a man wants to marry his daughter, and she's all for it, why should we stop it? If he wants to have 3, 10, 100 wives, why should we stop it if they all agree? If a man wants to marry his dog, the dog won't disagree. And since it would make the man happy (and happiness is the sole determinant), why should we stop it? Sheer lunacy.

22 posted on 03/01/2012 7:53:01 AM PST by driftless2
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To: apillar

“I’m proud to say in my state of West Virginia gay marriage is still opposed by nearly a 70/30 margin. So it will NEVER be the law here, unless it’s shoved down our throats by the Supreme Court like abortion was.”

It will be, eventually.

Here’s why:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843523/posts?page=48#48
(from another thread)


23 posted on 03/01/2012 7:59:06 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Short Bus
It cost them more than $50,000 in fertility treatments and sperm donations before Tina became pregnant -- a very tangible commitment to family values.

This is a commitment to family values? You can't be serious, Cokie?

24 posted on 03/01/2012 8:01:39 AM PST by what's up
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To: Short Bus
Wade Kach, a conservative Republican, backed the marriage measure after a hearing at which gay couples talked poignantly about forming families of their own. "As a pro-life Republican, I believe it's my responsibility to make sure children are taken care of," he explained. "I left that hearing a changed person."

Wow. This is a man with no core values who can't tell the difference between an emotional appeal and reality. Someone should sit him down and let him hear the stories of ex-homosexuals. Perhaps he'd leave that hearing a changed person again.

Accepting the homosexual lie is all about emotional blackmail. Once you get beyond the tears, however, it's all ugliness.
25 posted on 03/01/2012 8:02:24 AM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: Short Bus

Homosexuality is just partner-assisted masturbation with all the benefits that masturbation produces.


26 posted on 03/01/2012 8:09:51 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Short Bus

I’m going to put my foot down when some Quif wants to marry my Dog or my Horse.


27 posted on 03/01/2012 8:09:51 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Short Bus
the full-court press on indoctrinating the young, beginning with the public school curriculum and ending up with pieces of televised propaganda like Modern Family
28 posted on 03/01/2012 8:14:34 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lurk

Glad to see someone else around here understands this. Most people think linearly so they think it only gets worse.

I wonder when the next phase of the cycle starts. . .


29 posted on 03/01/2012 8:39:05 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Short Bus
Why tide has turned in favor of gay marriage

Because G-d has given up on america - decided that we are not worthy.

30 posted on 03/01/2012 9:02:49 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: John O
Why else would a “conservative” back the liberal dream?

That would be a good question to ask Mitt Romney. He was just about the first Republican to surrender on this issue. After jury-rigging the whole gay marriage fiasco in Massachusetts, he has flip-flopped back publicly to opposing it.

I strongly doubt that any sexually-embarrassing photos of Mitt Romney exist.

31 posted on 03/01/2012 9:03:46 AM PST by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: John O
Why else would a “conservative” back the liberal dream?

That would be a good question to ask Mitt Romney. He was just about the first Republican to surrender on this issue. After jerry-rigging the whole gay marriage fiasco in Massachusetts, he has flip-flopped back publicly to opposing it.

I strongly doubt that any sexually-embarrassing photos of Mitt Romney exist.

32 posted on 03/01/2012 9:05:25 AM PST by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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Sorry about the double post. I realized that I meant “jerry-rigged”, not “jury-rigged” and tried to stop the send. Apparently, I was too late.


33 posted on 03/01/2012 9:07:42 AM PST by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Short Bus

Brainwashing is achieving its goal. How can lawmakers be so dense? They’re listening to their brain-washed childdren? A few tears from a group of people who, when no one is watching, would revile you, is enough to convince a conservative? BS!

Where are the stories of children being pressured to be gay? Of people being punished for disagreeing? People being fired? Churches facing hate campaigns? List of voters made public to expose them to harm? This is pure evil, people.


34 posted on 03/01/2012 9:12:54 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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70/30 was the level of opposition in my state (Washington) as well. Look how that turned out.


35 posted on 03/01/2012 9:18:09 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Short Bus
"Once I began to look at this through the eyes of my own kids and other young people, it became pretty clear," the father of four sons, ages 17 to 21, told the Washington Post. "You want them to have love, and if that's how they want to express it, you want them to be able to do it openly."

According to another FR thread and Telegraph(UK), "CNN Founder Ted Turner 'Spends One Week Each Month With A Different Girlfriend'". I imagine the parent quoted in this article thinks it is more important to be happy in bed, even if it is as an elderly man with no real relationships like Ted Turner, than to achieve the peace that comes from following God's will and God's word. I find that incredibly sad for Ted Turner, for the father who sees life through such a shallow lens, and for the poor man's kids who grew up with no moral guidance and no deeper purpose than finding happiness through carnal sensation.

36 posted on 03/01/2012 9:47:24 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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Because many have been conditioned to think that the institution comes from man and thus the state, 40% in a recent poll. This is wonderful for statists and homosexualists. Because if folks think marriage comes from the state, they will accept whatever impossibility the state puts forth as marriage that year, and society can then be manipulated through gubbermental rewards and punishments that already exist concerning gov’t recognition of the institution.

Freegards


37 posted on 03/01/2012 9:53:44 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I guess they realize that no matter what the laws state marriage is for a man and a woman. You cannot fool your inner being.


38 posted on 03/01/2012 10:09:02 AM PST by USAF80
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The reason companies pay big money to newspapers, television networks and billboard groups - is because advertising works.

This country has had non-stop free ads run for gay marriage the last fifteen years. The MSM jumped on this one and never let go. Ethics aside, I doubt much human activity could hold out against that type of force.

My concern is - what will they push next?

39 posted on 03/01/2012 10:14:21 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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Next up getting the age of consent lowered so they can prey on younger children.


40 posted on 03/01/2012 10:20:30 AM PST by USAF80
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"The other trend driving acceptance of gay marriage is simply visibility. Most people reading this column, even in the more conservative corners of the country, now know someone who is gay."

What am I missing here? Has "gayness" become significantly more common in recent years? If it's in the genes and can't be helped, as leftists claim, this is the only possible explanation. Yet that seems highly improbable, since for obvious reasons that is one trait that's not likely to be passed on genetically. A much more plausible explanation is that people like Cokie and Steve Roberts, and the politicians named in their article, have no sense of moral absolutes and change their position whenever the wind changes direction - resulting in more people making the decision to seek a same-sex partner. While I strongly disagree, I can respect those with different opinions. What I cannot respect is people whose opinions are so easily influenced by those around them that their sense of right and wrong changes with the times. If you believe it was wrong that people were not allowed to marry someone of the same sex ten years ago, one hundred years ago, and one thousand years ago, I disagree but I respect you. If you believe it was wrong in the past but OK now, please go home and grow a backbone.

41 posted on 03/01/2012 10:28:51 PM PST by Tabi Katz (Annoy the establishment : Vote 4 Santorum!)
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To: Short Bus
"The other trend driving acceptance of gay marriage is simply visibility. Most people reading this column, even in the more conservative corners of the country, now know someone who is gay."

What am I missing here? Has "gayness" become significantly more common in recent years? If it's in the genes and can't be helped, as leftists claim, this is the only possible explanation. Yet that seems highly improbable, since for obvious reasons that is one trait that's not likely to be passed on genetically. A much more plausible explanation is that people like Cokie and Steve Roberts, and the politicians named in their article, have no sense of moral absolutes and change their position whenever the wind changes direction - resulting in more people making the decision to seek a same-sex partner. While I strongly disagree, I can respect those with different opinions. What I cannot respect is people whose opinions are so easily influenced by those around them that their sense of right and wrong changes with the times. If you believe it was wrong that people were not allowed to marry someone of the same sex ten years ago, one hundred years ago, and one thousand years ago, I disagree but I respect you. If you believe it was wrong in the past but OK now, please go home and grow a backbone.

42 posted on 03/01/2012 10:29:58 PM PST by Tabi Katz (Annoy the establishment : Vote 4 Santorum!)
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