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Air Force Certifying F-16s to Use Biofuels
Defense Tech ^ | 3/1/2012 | Defense Tech

Posted on 03/01/2012 8:36:24 PM PST by U-238

In case you haven’t seen this, the Air Force is flying F-16s on biofuel derived from the camelina plant. Yup, years after the air service certified most of its aviation fleet to fly on coal-derived synthetic fuel (stuff that was pioneered by the Nazis and apartheid-era South African governments because no one liked them and the world cut off their oil supplies) it is now certifying its jets to fly on something a little more environmentally friendly.

(The Navy has been working to get its ships and planes certified to run on biofuels for a while now, too.)

Its plan to certify its aviation fleet to run biofuel is very similar to its previous effort with coal-based fuels. The F-16s are being checked out to fly on a 50/50 blend of camelina oil and regular JP-8 jet fuel. The service has long said that it wants to use its status as the government’s biggest energy buyer t drive the market for alternative fuels that are produced in the United States. This would reduce the military’s reliance on foreign oil, service officials have argued.

Here’s what the service has to say about the effort.

In a joint effort by Airmen from the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, and Airmen from the Ohio Air National Guard’s 180th Fighter Wing, the F-16 Fight Falcon is currently undergoing a field service evaluation of biofuel.

As the largest consumer of energy in the Defense Department and $8 billion spent on fuel in fiscal 2011, Air Force officials are working toward making the fleet a little “greener” by researching, testing and ultimately implementing the use of alternative fuels.

(Excerpt) Read more at defensetech.org ...


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The Ohio Air Guard F-16s (shown above) have been flying on biofuel since December and, as expected, there has been almost no noticeable difference in the airplanes’ performance running biofuels versus using pure jet fuel
1 posted on 03/01/2012 8:36:26 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Can they get biofuels to work in Moochelle’s broom too?


2 posted on 03/01/2012 8:41:50 PM PST by alpo
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To: U-238

Big freaking deal. Is it any cheaper?


3 posted on 03/01/2012 8:43:12 PM PST by DManA
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To: U-238

Flame-outs, the new problem to overcome I guess...


4 posted on 03/01/2012 8:45:16 PM PST by Deagle
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To: DManA
Big freaking deal. Is it any cheaper?

Wanna bbet that it's actually more expensive? By several orders of magnitude?

And that one of Obama's donors owns the company that got the contract?

5 posted on 03/01/2012 8:46:30 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: U-238

biofuels... like ethanol?

loads of ethanol from corn eating the seals in our cars... what will 5+ years of that stuff do to a jet?


6 posted on 03/01/2012 8:46:38 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: DManA

Currently biofuels are running at 10 times the cost of jetfuel at $35 per gallon but as technology improves and more commonly used the price will go down.


7 posted on 03/01/2012 8:47:42 PM PST by U-238
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To: Deagle

The Ohio Air National Guard has using the fuel since December and there has been no reports of trouble. Its mentioned in the article.


8 posted on 03/01/2012 8:49:02 PM PST by U-238
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The United States Air Force (USAF) is the largest energy consumer in the Department of Defense (DoD).Volatile oil prices force the USAF to divert money from training budgets and weapon system procurement accounts in order to cover increased costs due to unbudgeted fuel expenses


9 posted on 03/01/2012 8:51:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: okie01

It’s at least 700% more expensive, for now. They’re doing this to the Navy, also, and all the leading companies are big contributors to the Muslim Bisexual.


10 posted on 03/01/2012 8:51:14 PM PST by gaijin
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To: U-238

Well, that’s a relief. Now I guess it will just be if they can afford it. Other problems may occur later... I really hate the government mandating certain fuels since they seem to be so environmentally correct in their selections, regardless of the consequences.


11 posted on 03/01/2012 8:54:11 PM PST by Deagle
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http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-air-biofuels.html


12 posted on 03/01/2012 8:55:21 PM PST by U-238
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To: DManA

It’s just a contingency plan.
You don’t want to be caught with your drawers down if JP8 goes dry


13 posted on 03/01/2012 8:55:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Deagle

Like any technology the costs are high but over time the cost drops.


14 posted on 03/01/2012 8:56:37 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Green is for Kermit the Frog and Oscar the Grouch. A better plan. Fire Obama. Then reduce dependence on foreign oil by:
Approve Keystone pipeline.
Restore use of coal-based fuels by mining coal, including 20+ billion tons in Escalante Staircase National Monument (declared a NM by Slick Willie as a bribe to major contributor).
Allow offshore drilling.
etc.
15 posted on 03/01/2012 8:56:38 PM PST by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: Deagle

Remember calculators were very expensive at the beginning and as time progressed the cost fell


16 posted on 03/01/2012 8:58:17 PM PST by U-238
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To: caveat emptor

I agree


17 posted on 03/01/2012 8:59:53 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

This is wise, and has been going on far before Zero began his rule.

Historically, denial of fuel = denial of forces. Anything that makes our forces more flexible makes them more dangerous.


18 posted on 03/01/2012 9:01:50 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: gaijin
They’re doing this to the Navy, also, and all the leading companies are big contributors to the Muslim Bisexual.

Something like 2 million gallons worth of pond scum, as I recall.

19 posted on 03/01/2012 9:02:02 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: U-238; All

Well, we’re borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the government is spending...

Trading dependency on foreign oil for dependency on foreign banks...Custer had a plan, too, I guess...


20 posted on 03/01/2012 9:04:10 PM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: U-238

What is the point of wasting our money on this?


21 posted on 03/01/2012 9:04:54 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: U-238

Well, I’m glad that you have so much confidence in our government’s decisions. I hope you are right, but really the costs are not appropriate for now. Change is required when needed, not for environmental made up reasons.

We are just adding to the cost of maintaining the military today instead of waiting until it is necessary. Sorry, but if you take into the equation the cost and pollution necessary to produce substitute fuels, the environment loses anyway.


22 posted on 03/01/2012 9:05:19 PM PST by Deagle
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To: U-238

Camelina sativa, usually known in English as camelina, gold-of-pleasure, or false flax, also occasionally wild flax, linseed dodder, German sesame, and Siberian oilseed, is a flowering plant in the family Brassicaceae which includes mustard, cabbage, rapeseed, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, brussels sprouts. It is native to Northern Europe and to Central Asian areas, but has been introduced to North America, possibly as a weed in flax.

Native to Northern Europe and Central Asia. Wonderful.


23 posted on 03/01/2012 9:08:27 PM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: sickoflibs

The Ohio National Guard are not complaining.


24 posted on 03/01/2012 9:11:02 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Remember calculators were very expensive at the beginning and as time progressed the cost fell.

How well I remember. I took a statistics class in college using a Versalog slide rule while nearly everyone else in the class had one of those big expensive calculators. I got an "A" BTW.

25 posted on 03/01/2012 9:12:12 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: bt_dooftlook

The original plan of the 1876 was a three pronged attack. General John Gibbon showed up a day late.General Crook never showed up to help Custer.Historians debate whether Crook’s pressing on could have prevented the killing of the five companies of the 7th Cavalry Regiment led by George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.


26 posted on 03/01/2012 9:13:27 PM PST by U-238
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To: OrioleFan

I prefer an old fashioned slide rule.


27 posted on 03/01/2012 9:14:24 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
RE :”The Ohio National Guard are not complaining

Unless I am mistaken tax money is being taken from ME to pay for their salary and benefits and NOW also be wasted spending money on wasteful Al Gore stuff like this.

WTF do I care if they don't care?


28 posted on 03/01/2012 9:16:14 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: OrioleFan

I remember when the (one) electronic calculator for my sophomore engineering class was glued to the lab table
and one signed up to use it. i then purchased an hp-21
circa ‘76. 300 bucks.


29 posted on 03/01/2012 9:17:43 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: sickoflibs

If the Germans were using this to power their war machine for five years I give a little slack to see it works.


30 posted on 03/01/2012 9:17:54 PM PST by U-238
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To: sickoflibs

If it does not work, then dump it.


31 posted on 03/01/2012 9:18:29 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

They’ve been ordered not to.


32 posted on 03/01/2012 9:20:09 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: U-238

The Germans used similar tech to back track a little


33 posted on 03/01/2012 9:20:10 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Only 126 dollars a gallon. What a deal!


34 posted on 03/01/2012 9:20:55 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Where is your link?


35 posted on 03/01/2012 9:20:55 PM PST by U-238
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Again when tech is new its always high its expensive but when its in wider use the price drops. Cars were expensive at first then when it was massed produced it fell. Similar to of Moore’s Law


36 posted on 03/01/2012 9:22:51 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
RE :”If the Germans were using this to power their war machine for five years I give a little slack to see it works

Except the Germans were NOT using biofuels, they were using carbon fuels made from coal even dirtier than oil.

Do you even know what biofuel means?

37 posted on 03/01/2012 9:25:08 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: bt_dooftlook

The Army’s assumptions were based on inaccurate information provided by the Indian Agents that no more than 800 hostiles were in the area.


38 posted on 03/01/2012 9:25:30 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
If the Germans were using this to power their war machine for five years I give a little slack to see it works.

The Germans didn't use biofuels. They developed synthetic liquid fuels, derived from coal.

39 posted on 03/01/2012 9:26:07 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: sickoflibs

Read post number 33


40 posted on 03/01/2012 9:26:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: mylife

Right, any g.d crazy ass thing they think of is worth it if we pretend it’s for our defense.


41 posted on 03/01/2012 9:27:11 PM PST by DManA
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To: U-238

“something a little more environmentally friendly. “...has to be true, its got ‘bio’ in it.


42 posted on 03/01/2012 9:30:14 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: U-238

You posted and hawked an article pushing biofuels yet your comments indicate that you have NO idea what a biofuel is.


43 posted on 03/01/2012 9:31:57 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: sickoflibs

I guess you did not read post 33. Do you need help?


44 posted on 03/01/2012 9:32:52 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Currently biofuels are running at 10 times the cost of jetfuel at $35 per gallon but as technology improves and more commonly used the price will go down.


45 posted on 03/01/2012 9:34:35 PM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: U-238

I have a secret. Biodiesel has been around longer than handheld calculators. I wouldn’t count on that price dropping anytime soon.


46 posted on 03/01/2012 9:34:57 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: U-238

I still have my Versalog.


47 posted on 03/01/2012 9:35:11 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: lacrew

I usually give new tech some leeway to prove itself. Again if it does not work move on.


48 posted on 03/01/2012 9:35:58 PM PST by U-238
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To: OrioleFan

When there is an EMP attack we may to bring them back


49 posted on 03/01/2012 9:38:38 PM PST by U-238
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To: RitchieAprile

I was in Computer Science. We got time on the mainframes at 1 AM. Your program had to work the first time, cause you might not get a second run. Spent a lot of time in evenings hand checking code. I still have card decks, coding sheets, a 7tk tape, and other relics fron the late 60’s and early 70’s.


50 posted on 03/01/2012 9:38:54 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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