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Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe
Associated Press ^ | March 1, 2012 | JACQUES BILLEAUD

Posted on 03/01/2012 9:16:11 PM PST by neverdem

America's self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and revelations that his department didn't adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases.

Rather than seek cover, though, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is seeking to grab the spotlight in the same unorthodox fashion that has helped boost his career as a nationally known lawman.

Arpaio on Thursday unveiled preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives...

(Excerpt) Read more at entertainment.verizon.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birther; certifigate; coldcaseposse; moonbatbirthers; naturalborncitizen; obama; sheriffjoe
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To: neverdem

Lots of spin and attacks on the messenger, Arpaio, but not a single reference to the evidence.

That’s what passes for journalism these days?


51 posted on 03/02/2012 5:48:27 AM PST by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: TigersEye; butterdezillion

TE—I agree wholeheartedly with your comment.

Butterdezillion, you are being vindicated—slowly but surely.

I am grateful for the work you have done, as well as other Freepers.

Someday, somehow, the fraud who sits in the Oval Office will be unmasked.

This is one step closer.

Anytime you pursue the truth, you will have detractors.

Keep pursuing.


52 posted on 03/02/2012 6:09:03 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: advertising guy

Were you really there? If so, how were the people there responding to the evidence that was presented?

The reports I’ve seen - like this one - give no indication that the author was even there, since none of the evidence actually given were mentioned - not even really key things like the experiment with a control document showing that the certifying marks were specifically added to an already-existing document, the National Archive’s microfilm records over 10 years missing just Aug 1-7, 1961, the draft registration’s postal date stamp having to have been forged with a stamp only accessible by law enforcement (or possibly the post office), or the government worker who’s signed an affidavit saying Bill Ayers’ mother introduced Obama to him around 1980 as a “foreign student” that they were helping to get an American education.

Those are critical pieces of evidence, and any report that fails to mention them suggests to me that either the author wasn’t at the press conference or they are selectively editing out the critical information.


53 posted on 03/02/2012 6:28:14 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Triple

See post # 41 above.


54 posted on 03/02/2012 6:28:26 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Triple

Conversely, if Joe had said, “We’ve investigated this, and I have come to the conclusion that there’s no issue here”,

how many would have dropped it?

I’m pretty sure, since I thought about this possibility before his unveiling, that I would have dropped it in my own mind at least.


55 posted on 03/02/2012 6:35:39 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: skeptoid

I think there may be a misunderstanding here. There was tons of evidence presented at the press conference, and the posse has MUCH more evidence than they actually presented. I’ve actually said that the big problem with Obama is that there is TOO MUCH evidence of wrong-doing, and people don’t have the attention span to really absorb it all.

Looking at my post, I realize that if somebody didn’t know me they might think I was saying that no evidence was presented at the press conference. What I was actually saying was that the reporter mentioned no evidence, which is a travesty since there was a lot of evidence at the press conference (albeit a small portion of what the posse actually has). The reporters are refusing to let the actual EVIDENCE even come into the public discussion, and that stinks.

I do know why they’re doing it though: because they’ve been threatened by Soros operatives if they report on this. And I’m no longer saying that on the basis of Hagmann’s claims alone.


56 posted on 03/02/2012 6:39:15 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: visually_augmented
“Unless he had Hawaii provide the document for him. “

You have to keep up. Hawaii DID provide a document. Whether the one Obama put on the Internet is the exact same document, without alteration, we don't know. In any case Hawaii is complicit in this fraud. Either they provided the forged document or after seeing an altered document on the Internet, said nothing.

“Although at this point, I don’t think they have an original LFBC for Obama on file.”

This may very well be true OR the TYPE of BC he has may not prove his birth here. It may be one of those Hawaii BCs that you can get no matter where or when you were born.

Since he won't produce it, (only produces forgeries) and Hawaii won't respond to subpoenas demanding access to the original BC, It is OBVIOUS there is a SERIOUS PROBLEM with Obama’s birth records.

57 posted on 03/02/2012 6:51:15 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Ah, that makes more sense. And I can say from my own dealings with Mike Zullo that he was not about to accept any bullcrap for evidence or get distracted too far from the central issue of whether or not crimes had been committed.

He knows the difference between probative, legal-quality evidence and speculation. He told me which of my evidence would be good enough for legal argument and which wouldn’t, and in what kind of investigation the various kinds of evidence would apply (most of mine would apply in a criminal investigation of the actual GOVERNMENT entities, which is beyond the scope of what the posse is doing but does influence whether they would be willing to let various government entities handle any follow-up investigation).

He knows the difference between certified legal document examiners and internet amateurs, and this was examined by multiple legal document examiners - who are trained to identify forgeries. From the Q&A at the end a person could see that there are a LOT more issues the posse has evidence about but they chose to make this press conference about the central issue, which is whether what we’ve been presented as legal evidence regarding Obama’s birth is in fact a forgery. And after having it examined by the same examiners that would examine documents if you or I were accused of forgery, the conclusion is that it is indeed a forgery. Both the alleged birth certificate and the draft registration.


58 posted on 03/02/2012 6:52:46 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Graewoulf

Yes - I saw that...

You sure don’t have a self confidence problem.

(you would have to have paid just minimal attention to see all the facts/evidence put forth.


59 posted on 03/02/2012 6:55:33 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: GregNH

That one reports exactly one piece of evidence, or at least a claim of a piece of evidence - the claim that the registrar’s stamp was imported from an outside source. It also reports the claim that the draft registration was forged. It doesn’t report on the evidence or even the KINDS of evidence that was reported at the press conference. And I don’t remember seeing any link to official reports, to video of the conference, or any other way that would allow the reader to see for him/herself the evidence that was actually presented.

They are doing their level-best to hide the evidence and make this all about a political sh!t-fight between Arpaio and Obama.

They noted that this press conference was the same day as Obama revealed some Facebook thing - but totally ignored that Jerry Corsi had said that Arpaio had granted an advance interview regarding the posse’s findings.... to ANDREW BREITBART, who died a few hours later - which is the big news of the day.

If we weren’t in the middle of a communist-Islamist coup, this standard of reporting would be unbelievable.


60 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:51 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I went on line to listen to AZ talk radio this morning to see what local hosts were saying about it. The guy and gal hosts on KFYI were LOL’ing and rolling their eyes about it.

They were saying nothing new that the internet crazies haven’t been talking about for three years, and who are the cold case guys, anyway? Going on to say a REAL investigation needs people with degrees in document examination and computer science from USC, etc.

Real retards, back slapping and high five-ing each other.


61 posted on 03/02/2012 7:12:51 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Graewoulf

You’re a class act, Graewoulf. I thought something must have been amiss.

Although actually, from reading just this article a person wouldn’t know any of the actual evidence Sheriff Joe and his posse presented to support their claims. If I hadn’t seen parts of the press conference myself and followed the Freeper thread about it, I would know NOTHING about what evidence was actually presented. And that speaks volumes about how the press intends to bury this whole issue.


62 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I read your thread as well lots of your prior work here..

And you are correct...the reporter of this piece was not there...Hell was not even in Arizona

Here is a report I wrote late yesterday on the Mark Levin thread...

” I was there, forget what one thinks of the issue....this happened......there was press.....cameras and recorders.....a small amount of reporters and a few local network heads and cable folk wired to wi fi talkin back and forth as the story was told

across the street was Joe Supporters w/ signs and flair

opposite corner was the protectors

by the time 3 video was shown and the presenter said it is impossible this document is as reported”
there was no air in the room....to a man and woman everyone knew that crap shown was faked

Even Satan bowed his head and said “ shit “

the rest of it was either....you have an agenda or...what ua gonna do about it Joe


63 posted on 03/02/2012 7:17:56 AM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: TexasVoter
As misleading and slanted is the article by the AP, at least they covered it.

Sheriff Arpaio held his press conference nearly 24 hours ago and there's not a word or a reference on Levin's, Malkin's, Medved's, Hewitt's or O'Reilly's websites. Nothing.

64 posted on 03/02/2012 7:31:04 AM PST by glennaro
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To: visually_augmented

Yes, it would be very easy for them to produce a fake. But it would be difficult for them to produce a paper fake that could pass a forensic analysis AS WELL AS microfilm rolls for multiple years that would explain the known anomalies in the BC’s the HDOH has put out recently AS WELL AS computer transaction logs.

Which is why the posse wants to see that stuff. And which is why we’re in a pickle - because the HDOH can (and most likely will) refuse to honor a state’s law enforcement subpoena for those records and any HI judge would probably refuse to issue a warrant for those records. Because they all know Hawaii is lawless. The posse has a bunch of evidence regarding that. They haven’t brought it out because it’s not part of the central question of whether the documents produced for Obama thus far are forged.

And the other investigate options on the table are Congress (as we watch the DOJ ignore subpoena after subpoena on Fast & Furious, and watch Obama ignore subpoena after subpoena on Solyndra, etc.... and Issa not do a dang thing about it) and the DOJ (which is the most criminal enterprise in America, it seems).

I’m hoping Americans will look at this whole issue and realize that the fox is truly guarding the henhouse and we are in an utterly lawless condition. That’s why this is so serious, IMHO.


65 posted on 03/02/2012 7:36:40 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

The left are like what I’ve seen in alcoholics.

The will do what they want to do, impose on you, break your personal boundaries, and generally ignore all social and legal norms,

until someone actually DOES SOMETHING to stop them.

Holder & the 0bama admin will ignore all subpoenas until those issuing the subpoenas actually take men in with guns to force them to comply with the law.

Then, like the alcoholic example, they will act like they are the offended ones, and you’re the bad guy.


66 posted on 03/02/2012 7:43:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: exit82

Right now the biggest obstacle is fear. This whole thing could be opened up in no time if the witnesses - even the witnesses we already know of - were not afraid to come forward.

The person who heard Bill Ayers’ mom introduce Obama as a foreign student they were helping to get an American education for is a brave soul. Knowing what Breitbart had said about having a tape of Obama from college that would expose who he is and what he’s about (especially after the info that Obama was at the Ayers home when the Ayers family was helping that foreign student to get an American education) - and realizing that Arpaio gave Breitbart an interview on the posse’s report in advance of the press conference, AND that Breitbart had made a comment in early February about “Just wait until they see what happens on March 1st!” - I can’t help but wonder if Breitbart was actually involved in getting that information to the posse.

The brave soul behind the posse having that witness could very well be Andrew Breitbart. And now he’s dead.

That fact will speak loud and clear to every witness who is considering coming forward. We don’t know what caused Breitbart’s death; probably never will. But the timing of it will make every witness think twice before coming forward - including both the coroner and the wife of Andrew Breitbart, who knows whether or not he has had heart problems (although her father has already said he knew of no heart problems and it’s been reported that Andrew hadn’t seen a doctor in over a year, which doesn’t sound like somebody with a heart problem).

That is what we are up against.

That is what my husband thinks about a lot, as I continue my research. We don’t know whether the sheathing for the wiring in his van was cut the day after I was in contact with Lakin’s counsel, or whether it all just eroded uniformly at the same time. We do know that there are Soros operatives with inroads into our specific neighborhood, and we know that Soros has threatened the media if they reported on this issue and others - to the point that Glenn Beck left Fox because they refused to provide protection for their lower-level staffers who were being continuously threatened.

I will keep fighting and my husband will keep worrying. That’s just where this country is at. Hopefully people will start to realize that something is wrong when housewives are having to drop their quilting to do the investigating and reporting that our law enforcement (except in Arizona) and media refuse to do - and their families have to wonder whether their car is going to explode or somebody’s going to be hit with a heart-attack or cancer-inducing dart. This is lawlessness. The same lawlessness that the ATF, DOJ, etc supported when they forced US gun dealers to sell untrackable guns to the drug cartels who are patterning their methods after Al Qaeda in terrorizing both Mexico and no-go zones within the US.

People have GOT to see that we’re in a critical situation, and if we don’t do something fast we’re sunk.


67 posted on 03/02/2012 7:59:33 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Triple; TXnMA; TigersEye; neverdem; skeptoid; Brown Deer; All

” - - - speaks volumes about how the press intends to bury this whole issue.”

Yep, it sure worked on me as I was so disappointed that no proof was given in the article that I jumped to the conclusion that the article was accurate.

Thanks to you, my angry FRiends, you were kind enough to hold me accountable for my error of thought and word. THANK YOU!

To Triple: I said/wrote it, so I own it, and then apologized for my error. Now I will have to write IMO, and not the tongue-in-cheek one that you read.

My lesson has been indelible to me as I will do thorough due diligence about ANY MSM article in the future.

Sincerely,
Graewoulf.


68 posted on 03/02/2012 8:02:08 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: JohnnyP

Obviously with a comprehension disability too, because Mike Zullo said directly that the multiple examiners who inspected the records are people who are certified document examiners. These are the people who would participate in real-life CSI, Law and Order, Bones, etc.

Somebody should call in and ask them about specific evidence that was presented. For instance, ask them why just Aug 1-7 was missing from the National ARchives’ passenger cards for foreign flights into the US, out of 10 years’ worth of records.

Maybe ask them about the postal stamp cut apart and used to make the incorrect 2-digit date stamp on the draft registration - which was only accessible to the posse through the Sheriff’s office directly?

Maybe ask them about Bill Ayers’ mother around 1980 introducing Obama as a foreign student that they were helping to get an American education - as witnessed by a government worker who has signed an affidavit about that introduction.

You know... all that stuff we’ve all been talking about for the last 3 years. (not)


69 posted on 03/02/2012 8:10:22 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: MrB

To carry your “Alcoholics” theme one step further, Where is “the loyal opposition” (Read: REPUBLICANS) who are duty-bound to hold an INTERVENTION/CONFRONTATION?

BTW, maybe we should intervene by filing a Class Action Injunction against Congress and withhold their $ 172, 000 annual pay, until THE NINE SUPREMES dictate their ruling on violation of “legal norms?”


70 posted on 03/02/2012 8:15:29 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: advertising guy

Was anybody from Fox there? Did you know who all the reporters were and who they represented?

What we all need to realize is that these people have been told that if they report on this they and their families could be killed. At least at the national level they were told that multiple times, and based on the way our local Fox affiliates here in Nebraska have handled the eligibility issue I believe it filtered down even to the local levels. It was so bad when we were working on Nebraska’s eligibility bill that even my apolitical friends noticed it and lost respect for the radio talkers which they heard briefly.

There is a much bigger story behind all this. The decision was made to not blow the media away by presenting the rest of what is known, and judging by the media’s unwillingness to handle even this, that was a wise decision. But eventually people need to know the rest of the story. The press already knows it, and that’s why they’re not talking. That’s what we’re up against.


71 posted on 03/02/2012 8:20:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: glennaro

The conservatives have been threatened into silence on this issue. This we know, and not just based on what Hagmann correctly reported.

Fox and radio conglomerates were threatened by Soros and they passed that threat on to their on-air personalities in the form of threats against their careers for sure and possibly their lives or families’ lives.


72 posted on 03/02/2012 8:24:26 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

” - - - Because they all know Hawaii is lawless. “

Sure looks like another “Hawaiian Vacation” of carefree golf, and fun in the Sun needs to be quickly scheduled in to The Obamanator’s busy Campaign Fund Raising shakedown efforts.

Well, MAYBE squeeze in a little time to tidy up some “legal” matters too. Busy, Busy, Busy!


73 posted on 03/02/2012 8:24:49 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

It’s easy for that to happen. Even with those of us who know the media is treasonous - mostly because it takes so much time to check out the original sources (or in this case there was no access to the original source, since they gave no links to anything that would show what really WAS presented at the press conference) and because we can’t believe anybody would be able to get away with what basically amounts to slander of Arpaio by leaving out what he and his posse actually reported.

The only reason they can get away with it, though, is because conservative media has been silenced on this issue through threats. And all we have to do is watch the conservative media ignore this obviously-serious event in AZ, to realize that they really have been silenced. I know these threats for a fact because of other sources I have, but even without those sources the average Joe can know what’s going on just by observing.


74 posted on 03/02/2012 8:31:26 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

you give too much credit to the press.....to be factual...the media does NOT know Joe’s next move.....I do


75 posted on 03/02/2012 8:41:50 AM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: butterdezillion

” - - - But eventually people need to know the rest of the story. “

Will our sorry Republican Candidates have the courage that you and your husband have demonstrated?

Or, will “the rest of the story” be told by historians decades from now?

Will the powers that be, (are you listening Speaker Boehner?), launch a House Committee Investigation of “Election Irregularities” of the Arrogant Leader of the hostage State of Obamanation, High Poo-Bah Obama?

This is getting to be a cross between Hawaii-Corrupt-Obama, Who killed Vince Foster? and Crime Scene Obamanation, all rolled up in the New York Times sponsored new TV documentary “All Our Wayward Students.”

BTW, none of this will be reported on your MSM stations, as the content has been prejudged by “both” political parties to be offensive to non-thinking adult voters.


76 posted on 03/02/2012 8:47:20 AM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: advertising guy

The media doesn’t know what’s ahead, what Arpaio or anybody else will do. That is true.

They do know what is behind though - specifically the threats that have been made. That’s the story the public needs to really understand, because that explains how this whole thing could happen as it has. It explains why the people writing the accepted narratives regarding this press conference weren’t even there, and why the “conservative media” lets them get away with it by totally ignoring the issue themselves.

I spent some time recently analyzing the specific steps that were taken that led up to the slaughter of 13 million innocent people in Germany and the countries Hitler captured. There are so many parallels to the Soros/Obama regime it’s uncanny. But the one that is overwhelming is the propaganda. Rush talks about the “state-run media” and people think it’s an exaggeration. It’s not. And it includes Fox, although the Soros puppet-master allows just enough political discourse on Fox to keep up the appearance of it being “conservative”. The factual stuff - not just political opinion but actual documented facts that have the ability to wake people up to the real danger we’re in - are being censored from Fox.

The measure of the news is not just lies being in their actual reports. The measure is also in the truth they REFUSE to say. Death threats have been used to silence this eligibility issue initially, and then when Glenn Beck mocked the eligibility issue in order to protect his people but went on to attack the source that was forcing him to mock this issue (Soros), they tried to threaten him into silence on that too. So he left Fox. It was Fox where all this was happening, in addition to the other TV and radio media companies.

The Holocaust was able to happen at least partially because Hitler silenced all opposition to his regime. Everything the people heard was disinformation, and nobody in the media or government was telling them about the burned bodies; the people knew either by smelling it in the air or by the escaped prisoners that they personally helped or reported.

The reporters have personally smelled the burning flesh from this Soros regime; they have been threatened with it personally. That’s why even the ones who have a brain are acting as mouthpieces for the regime instead.


77 posted on 03/02/2012 9:03:22 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: advertising guy

“the media does NOT know Joe’s next move.....I do” -AG

Ok - let’s hear it.

(Unless you are truly an insider to this investigation you are free to post your speculation about the future.)


78 posted on 03/02/2012 9:03:41 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Graewoulf

I think what happens from here depends on what specifically George Soros threatened the media companies with, and who else was given the same threat. And what steps, if any, can be taken to eliminate his ability to carry out that threat.

At this point an investigation into exactly what is holding our entire system hostage is critical, so we know how to resolve that hostage situation.


79 posted on 03/02/2012 9:07:43 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I am encouraged by the observation that most posters on this thread clearly recognize the blatant Argumentum ad Hominem strategy of this journalist. Unfortunately, it is the standard strategy of many journalists and editors of the Main Stream Media when it comes to protecting Barry Obama (or whatever his name is). Even more disheartening is the pig-headed determination of Obama supporters to dismiss the simple truth that is emerging about Obama. What kind of people will believe unsubstatiated assertions made by journalists (e.g., all accusations about Obama have been demonstrated to be false) and yet dismissed hard evidence? I am reminded of Groucho Marx’s classic line: “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?


80 posted on 03/02/2012 10:07:37 AM PST by nuss
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To: neverdem

I have ADD and have not read all the treads on this. Having said that, we already knew the BC was forged. Anything new out of this?


81 posted on 03/02/2012 10:26:35 AM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: faucetman

Your points are all correct.

Remember Tim Adams say that he called the two hospitals (Queens and Kap) in Hawaii himself. Both told him that they had no record of his birth there. He’s signed an affidavit saying as much.

Nothing Obama provided can be real since he wasn’t born in either hospital. Hawaii can’t give him any birth certificate that says he was born in either hospital.


82 posted on 03/02/2012 10:36:39 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Free_in_Alabama

What’s new is that a sitting Sheriff has said probable cause exists to open a full criminal investigation.

This SHOULD make it easier to contest Obama’s eligibility. That seems to be the only place where citizens have standing.


83 posted on 03/02/2012 10:40:20 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: advertising guy

Thanks for being there and reporting about it.


84 posted on 03/02/2012 10:44:17 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion

The DOJ - the most criminal enterprise in America.


85 posted on 03/02/2012 10:47:48 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

pleasure...wish I could post all I know.....also recruited folk to FReeRepublic


86 posted on 03/02/2012 10:50:37 AM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: Smokeyblue

close.......the AFL-CIO is.


87 posted on 03/02/2012 10:51:28 AM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: Drew68

You’ve got some nerve mocking Butter. Why don’t you go back to posting at Fogbutt?

Your posts are clearly visible since you use the same name.

Fraud and forgery are just fine by you. You are such a phoney.


88 posted on 03/02/2012 10:57:46 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: advertising guy

Do you hold out any hope for a successful resolution to this case?


89 posted on 03/02/2012 11:16:58 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: neverdem

“a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling ..”

Hows that for you! “Abuse of power” lets talk about it: ... the Federal Government confiscation and intimidation, bailouts, GM, EPA, plant shutdowns, Federal salaries and huge pensions, QE1 QE2, etc.,

And “discrimination” they love to use that word. How about the entire Arbeitsziehungslager-Shackle Care, where they have blatantly discriminated by exempting themselves. And discriminated by selectiion of who gets waivers.

Abuse of Power.


90 posted on 03/02/2012 11:22:44 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: neverdem

“a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling ..”

Hows that for you! “Abuse of power” lets talk about it: ... the Federal Government confiscation and intimidation, bailouts, GM, EPA, plant shutdowns, Federal salaries and huge pensions, QE1 QE2, etc.,

And “discrimination” they love to use that word. How about the entire Arbeitsziehungslager-Shackle Care, where they have blatantly discriminated by exempting themselves. And discriminated by selectiion of who gets waivers.

Abuse of Power.


91 posted on 03/02/2012 11:25:17 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: butterdezillion
MSNBC: Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate may be forgery
92 posted on 03/02/2012 11:40:17 AM PST by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<<<)
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To: butterdezillion
Chicago Tribune

Reuters

This is gaining traction, Brett at FoxNews Grapevine: Arpaio takes aim at Obama's birth certificate

I can tell that my Google alerts on this subject has exploded!

93 posted on 03/02/2012 11:46:48 AM PST by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<<<)
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To: butterdezillion
Another FoxNews report from today.

Arpaio still doubts President Obama's birth certificate

94 posted on 03/02/2012 11:50:57 AM PST by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<<<)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I sensed that Arpaio did not want to connect the dots to Obama’s eligibility. Did I miss something?


95 posted on 03/02/2012 12:08:59 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: GregNH

Thanks for the links.

Three of them each crashed my computer so I wasn’t able to see what they said. The other two were basically copies of each other, where all that was said (besides Arpaio pursuing discredited conspiracy theories and being investigated by the Dept of Injustice) was that Arpaio says the BC may be a forgery. The Chicago Tribune adds the following as the only actual statements regarding EVIDENCE presented:

“The sheriff’s office presented six videos which it said
raised doubts about the authenticity of the date stamp on
Obama’s birth certificate and Selective Service Registration
Card, among other issues.”

That’s it. This is worse than pathetic. They are totally burying this news. Which we knew they would do, because they’ve been threatened into burying it. These articles all follow the same boilerplate and actually spend more time on the DOJ accusations against Arpaio and/or Obama’s quotes to try to discredit this investigation than anything about the press conference or the posse’s evidence. These are hit-pieces designed by the White House and parroted by the “news media” as if it had anything to do with what actually happened yesterday afternoon.

Disgusting.


96 posted on 03/02/2012 1:41:58 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Graewoulf
I will look forward to interacting with you here on FR in the future with considerable respect. You have earned it!

Sincerely,

TXnMA

97 posted on 03/02/2012 1:44:46 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

Yeah. Here is what I tried to post at Slate (and they wouldn’t let me post it):

How about actually reporting the content of what was said, Mr Weigel? Some tidbits:

Multiple certified document examiners have examined the online BC for the posse and concluded that it was a forgery.

A controlled experiment (the results of which can be seen at http://www.teapartypowerhour.com/videos ) showed that OCR does not explain the layers in the long-form birth certificate - particularly since there are too few layers and they were added systematically rather than randomly.

The certifying marks were added to an existing document and were systematically created so that the whole registrar’s certification (for instance) can be moved around on the page. This means that there was no certification scanned and this forgery was not made from a certified record.

The posse knows where the electronic file of the forged BC was 20 minutes before it was uploaded onto the White House website. They have a person of interest who is suspected of committing the forgery.

The draft registration had a 2-digit postal date stamp though every genuine postal stamp from that exact post office in 1980 has 4 digits. The ‘80 stamp itself was made by taking a 2008 date stamp, cutting it apart, and turning it upside-down. Duplicate stamps that could be cut apart like that are only available to law enforcement, which disturbingly suggests that someone in law enforcement assisted in this forgery.

Out of 10 years of requested INS microfilms at the National Archives, passenger lists from flights in & out of the US were only missing for Aug 1-7, 1961. The National Archives had no explanation for why those dates were missing.

They have an affidavit of a government employee saying he was in the home of Bill Ayers when Ayers’ mother introduced Obama as a foreign student they were helping get an American education.

The posse has much, much more evidence than was presented at the press conference. The investigation is ongoing, though Sheriff Joe will need to decide how to further pursue the issue, as the posse has recommended a full criminal investigation into these forgeries. At this point, there has been no genuine evidence offered regarding Obama’s birth facts.

Andrew Breitbart’s last interview was the evening (several hours) before he died, with Sheriff Joe Arpaio, regarding the findings of the Cold Case Posse. Jerry Corsi mentioned that in passing, as he expressed condolences to Andrew’s family.


98 posted on 03/02/2012 1:45:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Disgusting.

While agree with you and can relate to your frustration, this is a leap in the right direction. What Joe needs to do is a follow up news conference in a month or so. Keep this in the dim light as long as possible.

And for the record I will contribute to this cause.

99 posted on 03/02/2012 1:55:23 PM PST by GregNH (>>>>>I am SO ready to join a brigade of pickup trucks to surround DC<<<<<)
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To: noinfringers2; rolling_stone

The media tried to get both Joe and Mike to say that Obama committed forgery and fraud. What they were careful to say was that we don’t know who did what and so we need to investigate some more until we know those answers.

One reporter claimed that they are not stupid (to which I lol’ed) and that if Obama said that what was posted on the White House website was his real BC and the posse says it’s a forgery it means that Obama committed fraud. Both Joe and Mike just said, basically, “We’re not saying that. You can make your own conclusions.” (and of course, that is the natural conclusion a person would have to make - but it is the EVIDENCE that leads one to conclude that. It is the EVIDENCE that accuses Obama, not either of those guys. Those guys are saying we need more evidence so we know exactly who did what and why.

The conclusion they reached is that there has been no genuine evidence presented to support Obama’s birth claims, and the flight passenger lists which would address the question of whether his mother was in the country on Aug 4, 1961 have gone missing without explanation - just that week, out of 10 years’ worth of records.

The posse didn’t go into this, but both Dr. Conspiracy and Jeff Otherson have requested the index cards of passports issued to Obama’s mother - which are required to be publicly disclosed upon request, are microfilmed in alphabetical order and required to be retained permanently. It would probably take 5 minutes to locate what these 2 guys are requesting. But the Passport Office will not respond to the requests. We know she had a passport that pre-dated 1967 when she traveled with Lolo Soetoro but the Passport Office steadfastly refuses to find anything from before that for her.

Sort of like the National Archive, which is missing just that 1 week of international flight passenger records...

And Mike did mention that they have an affidavit of a government worker who says that Bill Ayers’ mother introduced Barack Obama to him as a foreign student that they were helping to get an American education.

So there’s no evidence supporting a US birth, the records which would show where his mother was on Aug 4, 1961 are mysteriously missing, and Bill Ayers’ mom said Obama was a foreign student...

I think they’re trying to let the facts speak for themselves, though if you look at the media reports I have yet to find ANY “news” source that gives any of these facts.


100 posted on 03/02/2012 1:59:52 PM PST by butterdezillion
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