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Completely Unreasonable(gun rights)
freelibertywriters.com ^ | 2 March, 2012 | Bruce Krafft

Posted on 03/02/2012 5:42:20 AM PST by marktwain

Fair warning, I am completely unreasonable on the subject of civil rights. I take exception to this passage in Ben Shotzberger’s analysis of President Obama’s editorial on gun control: “If—and that’s a big IF—there was a true effort to bring NICS up to speed and get it ‘working,’ wouldn’t that actually be progress in the right direction for all involved?” No, NO, NO! The instant you accept the antis’ premise that “some people just shouldn’t have guns” you have lost.

You have lost the “gun show loophole” argument: Hey, if some people shouldn’t have guns then why don’t we require checks on all sales (ignoring the fact that the way the proposed laws are written it is the gun show organizers who would go to prison if so much as a single private sale took place or even was attempted).

You have lost the Lautenberg amendment argument (which ignores the fact that ‘domestic violence’ restraining orders are a common tool in many divorces).

You have lost the drug user argument (anyone who has ever used illegal drugs shouldn’t be allowed to have guns (and I know very few people of my generation who did not at least try weed in their youth).

You have lost the mental health argument (last figures I saw showed that almost 60% of the population over 40 had, at one time or another, been on anti-depressants).

If you grant that there is anyone who should be a prohibited person, the camel’s nose is in the tent. I am with David Codrea on this when he says that a person who can’t be trusted with a gun can’t be trusted without a custodian.

As for felons . . . did you know that if you have ever used a Su-Sat pill dispenser for your prescriptions you are a felon? If you pick up a feather on a walk in the woods and it is from a protected bird you are a felon? If you are going bowling with a friend and he asks you to swing by a buddy’s house so he can get some cash, and that cash is from a drug transaction you are a felon? If you have ever dumped oil or solvents down a drain, or even just dumped them in a corner of your backyard you are a felon?

Never give the antis so much as a single inch. Make them fight for every new restriction and make them fight to keep existing restrictions. Never give up. Never give in.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gun; rights
The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 03/02/2012 5:42:27 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Reasonable gun control laws are UNREASONABLE.

If you disagree look at all the paper work and hoops a citizen must go though to buy a gun in Washington DC after the city loses a federal court case.

2 posted on 03/02/2012 6:08:45 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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Yep. The only thing gun control does is keep law abiding citizens from owning guns. Criminals will get guns regardless. It is so hard to imagine how any reasonable person can see it any other way. That is the issue. Gun control nuts are unreasonable, irrational and insane.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 6:19:23 AM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: marktwain
The instant you accept the antis’ premise that “some people just shouldn’t have guns” you have lost.

Yup, because the self-defense denial zealots will simply expand that definetion to whomever they deem ‘unworthy’ of protecting themselves.

If you accept that premise – made to sound reasonable and exuding ‘commonsense’, you have opened the door to registration and then confiscation.

Has everyone noticed that this same phrase seems to be used by the Left almost everywhere?

Those folks are supposed to be intellectual titans and all, but that all seem to follow lock step with the same tired talking points.

You get the impression they can’t think for themselves..

4 posted on 03/02/2012 7:03:46 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

Absolutely agreed. Which is why I'm completely unreasonable as well. 

5 posted on 03/02/2012 7:31:45 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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It seems odd to catch a dangerous, violent felon numerous times, for crack dealing, assault, intimidation, maybe attempted murder, and over those decades manage to get a couple of convictions and prison sentences, and never think that we should make it against the law for him to pack a gun, or own one.

Sometimes I wonder how many people here have lived in the world of felons, and know what they are like and how they manage to get convicted of felonies.


6 posted on 03/02/2012 7:50:40 AM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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