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Is President Obama Among The Greatest Black Men Ever?
NEWSONE ^ | February 29, 2012 | Dr, Boyce Watkins

Posted on 03/02/2012 11:51:10 AM PST by nickcarraway

For many centuries, the epitome of African American achievement has been to become the first black president. We once talked about it like it was the impossible dream, or the ultimate sign that we have arrived. Well, Barack Obama didn’t just talk about the dream, he went out and turned it into a reality.

So, here we are, with the keys to the Oval Office. When the Obamas moved in physically, many of “us” moved into the White House psychologically. The Obama’s marriage was our own, and our sense of protection of the president and his family was the kind that tends to be reserved for our closest relatives.

With that said, the question becomes, “How do we properly contextualize President Obama in black American history?”

Well, one thing we know is that it would be quite dangerous to describe President Obama as the most accomplished black man in the history of the United States. To make such a claim would be to say that being popular among white Americans might be an important precondition for African Americans to be “successful.” The gifts of true freedom, respect and equality are not granted willingly in a historically racist society. Typically, equality means competition, and it’s hard to compete with someone for valuable resources and expect them to like you at the same time.

So, in many ways, individuals such as the late Malcolm X and even Louis Farrakhan have achieved as much success as President Obama, even though they are/were not popular with mainstream America. Farrakhan and Malcolm have long taught lessons of self-sufficiency that empower African Americans, but also alienate us when we are perceived as being too “radical.” Malcolm reminded us, very clearly, that someone liking you can be very different from someone actually respecting you.

It is also problematic to compare the feats of President Obama to those of Martin Luther King and other civil rights leaders of the past. President Obama is not a civil rights leader or a black leader; he is an American leader. In that regard, he can’t be compared directly with Martin Luther King, Malcolm X or even the first runaway slave. He has his own unique place in history, which will be debated for centuries, but his being black doesn’t automatically turn him into the next MLK.

Another thing that must be kept in mind is that having a national impact is not always the same as having an impact on the African American community. You can compare it to the parent who goes off and earns millions for himself vs. the parent who earns far less but gives all of his income to his family. President Obama’s contributions to America are undeniable. But we should not always assume that his gifts to America are gifts to the black community. Our collective decision to remain politically silent during the Obama presidency argues that Obama’s gifts to America were largely the result of our decision to sacrifice our rights to true democracy.

Is President Obama an outstanding figure in black American history? Absolutely. Is he the greatest black man to have ever lived? Probably not. How Obama measures up is in the eye of the beholder, but we must make sure that our eyes are not blinded by the shine of wealth and power that comes with being in the White House. Obama’s legacy as an African American historical figure should be judged primarily by tangible evidence of his sacrifices and gifts to the black community, and not by his popularity among the descendants of our historical oppressors.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boycewatkins; corruption; fraud; fruad; louisfarrakhan; malcolmx; martinlutherking; nobama2012; obama
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1 posted on 03/02/2012 11:51:17 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He’s NOT “Black”, He’s a Halfrican BASTARD!


2 posted on 03/02/2012 11:53:25 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: nickcarraway

George Washington Carver has always been an inspiration to me. A truly good and brilliant man.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 11:53:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: nickcarraway

No, he is not. He is merely the product of chance + time.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 11:54:20 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: nickcarraway
I'm sure Obama embarrasses all REAL men who happen to be black, everywhere.
5 posted on 03/02/2012 11:54:56 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: nickcarraway

Well, he’s been able to pull the greatest hoax


6 posted on 03/02/2012 11:54:56 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nickcarraway
Is President Obama an outstanding figure in black American history? Absolutely.

Stalin is an outstanding figure from oppressed Russian and starving Ukrainian history. Absolutely.

7 posted on 03/02/2012 11:55:46 AM PST by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: nickcarraway

In a word: NO.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 11:55:54 AM PST by KJC1
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To: nickcarraway

"...well I guess so if he says so...MMM MMM MMM"

9 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:10 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: nuconvert

YES! And Octavia Spencer is the greatest actress! Why else would she get the only standing ovation at the Academy Awards?


10 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:34 AM PST by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: nickcarraway

No, my vote is for Bill Clinton


11 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:34 AM PST by rainee
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To: nickcarraway

Is President Obama among the greatest black men ever?

No, but he’s among the just below average half black feminine men.


12 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:41 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: nickcarraway

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


13 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:41 AM PST by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: nuconvert

YES! And Octavia Spencer is the greatest actress! Why else would she get the only standing ovation at the Academy Awards?


14 posted on 03/02/2012 11:57:47 AM PST by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: nickcarraway
Is President Obama Among The Greatest Black Men Ever?

Oh HELL no. Did you see Will Smith in "Legend"?

Obama could never pull that off, not even a tenth of it.

15 posted on 03/02/2012 11:58:02 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: nickcarraway

Far fom being one.


16 posted on 03/02/2012 11:58:22 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: US Navy Vet

Dumb question, a waste of time and bandwidth.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 11:58:41 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: nickcarraway

You jest, sir!


18 posted on 03/02/2012 11:58:56 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: nickcarraway

19 posted on 03/02/2012 11:59:24 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: nickcarraway

In a word, no.


20 posted on 03/02/2012 11:59:45 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: sheik yerbouty

hussein is a racist who can’t admit he is white like his momma.


21 posted on 03/02/2012 12:01:09 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: Liberty Valance

nobma is a fluke.


22 posted on 03/02/2012 12:01:16 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: nickcarraway

If he is, then the bar is embarrassingly low.


23 posted on 03/02/2012 12:01:49 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: cripplecreek

I completely agree! The guy had few peers. Would have liked to met and talked w/ him a bit. I think tho in the ‘black’ community he’s but a side note. Too bad.


24 posted on 03/02/2012 12:02:29 PM PST by 556x45
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To: ogen hal

nobama is a fluke.


25 posted on 03/02/2012 12:02:56 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: nickcarraway
[nobama] has his own unique place in history, which will be debated for centuries, but his being black doesn’t automatically turn him into the next MLK.

nobama is not black. He's mulatto

Note that the article sentence above could have just as easily referred to him as white.

White, mulatto, black, whatever. Mostly he's a Republic destroying Marxist bastard.

26 posted on 03/02/2012 12:03:21 PM PST by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: nickcarraway

Frederick Douglass, George Washington Carver, General Daniel “Chappie” James, Clarence Thomas, Rep. J.C. Watts, Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell, Rep. Allen West...these are men to be held up as role models for everyone. There are thousands of Americans who can be named that come before the Marxist Usurper who currently occupies the White House. Barry Soetero is a done-nothing, know-nothing street agitator who was elected by an activist, leftist media and an uninformed public. History will remember him as a bigger failure than Jimmy Carter.


27 posted on 03/02/2012 12:03:28 PM PST by twister881
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First off it must be noted that he's 50% white (genetically) and was raised by whites...most of whom,it would appear,were "typical white people".

But going on the premise that he's black...he's certainly the most *successful* black peron ever...but *greatest*? For the sake of black folks everywhere I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT!

28 posted on 03/02/2012 12:04:06 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Massachusetts...proud home of *two* of Obama's illegal alien relatives!)
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To: nickcarraway

Had BO been born to a white Christian mother and a black father - descended from slaves - with deep American roots - he could have been a great healer and uniter.

Sadly, he has shown no desire to unite us - rather he is driving us apart - rich vs. poor, black vs. white, Christian vs. secular, etc.,

There are many great black Americans who have excelled in a wide variety of industry and academia. They are the true inspiration to Americans of all creeds & color.


29 posted on 03/02/2012 12:05:20 PM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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Please post intelligently.

Can't. Laughing too much.

30 posted on 03/02/2012 12:05:24 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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31 posted on 03/02/2012 12:06:20 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: nickcarraway
Obama’s legacy as an African American historical figure should be judged primarily by tangible evidence of his sacrifices and gifts to the black community, and not by his popularity among the white community the descendants of our historical oppressors.

plain english version - the racism never stops does it?

32 posted on 03/02/2012 12:06:20 PM PST by blueplum
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obama is a sorry excuse for a human being. He’s one evil bastard.


33 posted on 03/02/2012 12:06:32 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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His path of destruction has been wide and deep... and if he had his way he would "eliminate" all of his "enemies"... so he is somewhat like Idi Amin... so with regards to demonic black despots... he is right up there with Mugabe and Idi.

LLS

34 posted on 03/02/2012 12:07:08 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: duckworth

I thought they gave a standing ovations to Meryl Streep & Christopher Plummer


35 posted on 03/02/2012 12:07:20 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nickcarraway
Don't be silly. In a list that includes Aesop, Hannibal, Cleopatra, Zenobia, Askia the Great, the Mahdi, Robert Browning, Dom Pedro, Alexandre Dumas, Socrates, and many others, Obama rates very low indeed.



As the great black writer Shakespear said "hoist by his own petard"
36 posted on 03/02/2012 12:07:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (We have nothing to fear except fear itself.... And bunnies.)
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To: nickcarraway

He’s a MULATTO! As far as being great, I flushed a turd today that was much greater than this POS!


37 posted on 03/02/2012 12:07:53 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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Is President Obama Among The Greatest Black Men Ever?

Maybe it's me but, aren't great men,of any color, supposed to have accomplished.....something first?

38 posted on 03/02/2012 12:08:18 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: kosciusko51

Chance + time + FRAUD


39 posted on 03/02/2012 12:08:29 PM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: duckworth
And Octavia Spencer is the greatest actress! Why else would she get the only standing ovation at the Academy Awards?

Yeah, I thought that was ridiculous, too.

40 posted on 03/02/2012 12:09:35 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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“Is President Obama Among The Greatest Black Men Ever?”

Good grief, I hope not! Talk about a low bar.


41 posted on 03/02/2012 12:09:53 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: nickcarraway

Clarance Thomas, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sewall would have to be dead for centuries in order for their IQ to sink to the Cretin-in-Chief’s level.

Obama is a vapid dork.

Repeat after me...

Obama is a vapid dork.

There, doesn’t the truth feel better?


42 posted on 03/02/2012 12:10:24 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: nickcarraway
Please post intelligently.

This group? Not likely.

43 posted on 03/02/2012 12:10:34 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: nickcarraway

To obtain a true ranking of his greatness among blacks - since he is half black / half white - you would have to:

1) quantify his “black” greatness
2) double it
3) position his greatness accurately among all black candidates

You could also do the same for his “white” greatness.


44 posted on 03/02/2012 12:10:55 PM PST by KMJames
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To: nickcarraway

Is he higher or lower on the list than Mike Tyson?


45 posted on 03/02/2012 12:10:58 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Hi yellar, mulatto.


46 posted on 03/02/2012 12:11:00 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Cleopatra was, I believe of Greek descent.


47 posted on 03/02/2012 12:11:13 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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“...For many centuries, the epitome of African American achievement has been to become the first black president...”

For many centuries???? The country is less than two and a half centuries old so the opening of the article is weirdly worded.

Politicians are not as highly respected at military men so fighter pilots who went up the ranks to make general like Chappie James reached the epitome of “arriving” long before Obama. Boys dream about being fighter pilots and generals more often than president I would venture.

But the main thing is that Obama is a huge failure as president, lacks substance, and only delivers jive in a sterotypical manner that should be especially offensive to Blacks.


48 posted on 03/02/2012 12:12:15 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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The Obama’s marriage was our own, and our sense of protection of the president and his family was the kind that tends to be reserved for our closest relatives.

Please post intelligently.

OK:

Must. Stop. Bashing. Head. Against. Wall.

49 posted on 03/02/2012 12:12:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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never mind, I just stumbled across my own ignorance..LOL


50 posted on 03/02/2012 12:13:01 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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