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BREAKING: Mitt Romney Urged Obama to Embrace the Individual Mandate
Red State ^ | March 2, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 03/02/2012 4:15:43 PM PST by red flanker

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To: entropy12
I want every one to be responsible for their own health care expense.

And I want everyone to be responsible for their own weight. That's why I want a federal mandate for healthy food - you don't have to eat it, but you have to buy it. Also, I want people to be responsible in their use of energy. That's why I want a federal mandate that everybody purchase a Chevy Zolt, whether they drive or not.

I am 100% against government involvement in our personal lives, but I consider myself a fiscal conservative and want the federal government to tell everybody else what to buy, because the Constitution is wrong and freedom is too dangerous for the little people to enjoy.

101 posted on 03/03/2012 6:34:03 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: red flanker

Newt supported the individual mandate as did the Heritage Foundation. Romney is no surprise. These are big government republicans. We need to roll back the welfare state, not make it run more efficiently and cheaply.


102 posted on 03/03/2012 6:35:48 AM PST by kabar
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To: Greysard
Obamacare will add 18 million to the Medicaid rolls, which already has 60 million covered. So the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill. And only 50% of the people pay income taxes.

40% of doctors don't accept Medicaid patients now and 12% don't accept Medicare patients. We are going to have greater coverage and less access under Obamacare along with higher health insurance prices. The idea is to kill off the private insurers and go to a single payer system like Medicare. That was the objective of Obamacare all along.

103 posted on 03/03/2012 6:46:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: red flanker

Just when you thought he couldn’t get any worse.

I’m struggling here, fellow FReepers, I really am. If Romney becomes the nominee, there is literally not a single clear avenue of attack he can take against Obama.

Romney signed off on universal healthcare.

Now, we find out that he encouraged Obama to adopt the individual mandate.

And don’t forget that working at Bain Capital was just like the bailouts!

Contraception? He was too lily-livered to give any kind of answer in the GOP debates. I doubt he’d do any better in a debate with Obongo.

Abortion? All they have to do is play clips from the Ted Kennedy debates.

Quoting Reagan? Again, play the clip from the Ted Kennedy debates.

Posing as a conservative? Play that clip of him saying “my views are progressive.”

Gay marriage? He’d bend over backwards to gush over his accomplishments for the queer agenda. Don’t forget that he told voters how real progress could be made by him, as a Republican, since he’d sound like a “reasonable moderate.”

He can’t claim to be a “man of the people” in a populist election due to his embarrassing gaffes that show how out of touch he is with everyday Americans.

Now you tell me: what the hell is he supposed to run on besides platitudes and hair gel? What?


104 posted on 03/03/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: red flanker
I actually am hearing people -- good solid conservative FRiends -- in other threads starting to capitulate to voting for this consummate serial liar in the general.

I have just posted this in my profile:

Why I am NEVER voting for Romney, even if he is the GOP nominee (shudder)

Many people, online and in-person, have started to shrug and say, "Oh well. Looks like Romney's gonna get the Republican nomination. I'll have to hold my nose and vote for him, like I voted for McCain.and all the other RINOs the GOP have shoved at us. After all, if he's only 80-90% like Obama then he's at least a little better than him, right?"

WRONG. and here’s why.

If Myth does 90% of what Zer0 does, he will do it WITH AN R NEXT TO HIS NAME.

What does this do? Well, Republicans in Congress who would otherwise balk at lib legislation if it were proposed by Zer0 WILL SIGN ON TO THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT IS PROPOSED BY THE LEADER OF THE GOP.

Imagine: amnesty, “tax fairness”, gutting the military and so much more ALL SAILING THROUGH CONGRESS because a “Republican” is at the helm of America. Contrast this with a second Obozo presidency where the GOP will dig in their heels and at least try to fight.

Yeah, I said it. An Obummer presidency is better for America than a Myth presidency (in the way that a cowpie sandwich is better than a meal of broken glass).

This is why we have to have a NOT-ROMNEY at the top of the ticket if we are to have any hope of digging America out of this hole we’re in. And if we don't, God help us... but I still WON'T vote for him. I'll vote for whichever acceptable, conservative 3rd party candidate is running (so my protest vote will have the most impact), or I'll write one in.

As JimRob says. Romneycare = Obamacare = Commiecare. NO ROMNEY, NO WAY!!
105 posted on 03/03/2012 8:15:49 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: sbMKE

>Oh good grief. Really? Googling USA Today for an old op-ed passes for opposition research and/or investigative journalism these days?

>Really sad.

What’s sad is that the American people don’t see what’s right in front of them. Even conservatives who are supposed to be paying attention.

There are a lot of people ON THIS FORUM who are going to vote for this weasel in the general. How can they when it’s plain what kind of a duplicitous scumbag Myth is???


106 posted on 03/03/2012 8:19:53 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: red flanker

bttt


107 posted on 03/03/2012 8:45:00 AM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: entropy12

Your post is hilarious! You think the mandate is going to lower the cost of health insurance? 30 million people will be forced to buy health insurance. Many of which are too poor and will be able to get their health insurance policy for free under ObamaCare. Me and you will pick up the cost via higher premiums. Nothing changes. We’re still paying for the bums.


108 posted on 03/03/2012 9:11:44 AM PST by avacado
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To: entropy12
Why must the hospital go through lot of legal expense to try to recover the unpaid bills?

For the same reason Mastercard has to go through lots of legal expenses to recover unpaid bills.

109 posted on 03/03/2012 9:48:03 AM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: VictoryGal

Exactly.. I said something similar many months ago.. and stand by it. I will do a write in for Palin if Newt doesn’t make it. We need to flush out all of the moderates and posers from our side.. and I will not put a wolf in sheep’s clothing in office to damage (R) more than has already been done.


110 posted on 03/03/2012 9:55:04 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: Calif4Palin

In fairness, the Heritage Foundation dropped its support for individual mandates many years ago after further research led them to determine that the costs associated with such a measure would be out-of-control and unsustainable.


111 posted on 03/03/2012 10:00:19 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: Mariner

Mariner wrote:
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I don’t think this is news. Romney has always been known to support this position. Hell, the Op-ed was in USA today.

What’s breaking about this? Romney is a statist and Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare.
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Yes, but Romney keeps claiming in the debates that he doesn’t support individual mandates on a NATIONAL level, yet in his own op-ed published in USA Today several years ago he URGED OBAMA to implement an individual mandate!


112 posted on 03/03/2012 10:04:35 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: red flanker

You mean Mitt Romney is saying things he doesn’t mean?

Who knew?


113 posted on 03/03/2012 10:58:45 AM PST by Hilda
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To: conservaterian
I have no problem with the self-insured, individuals or groups.But they have to show they are sufficiently capitalized. Don't expect anyone to bail you out if you run out of $$.

"Showing" someone that you have "enough" money requires an overseer, a despot. Traditionally you only needed the marketplace to find out if the buyer has enough money.

Also note that traditional insurance companies can out of money at any time. They won't run out of money in the bank - but they can run out of *your account's* money. They will not deliver an infinite amount of financing to treat you; it is not even mathematically possible.

This means that all medical services are limited in scope. A self-insured person is not any different from an insurance company; both aren't willing (or capable) of paying too much.

It is much easier to charge money for all services that a commercial entity offers. Those who can pay do pay; those who have no money have to depend on a credit. If there is no credit there is no treatment. Illegals can surrender to DHS, get treated there and deported. Poor but healthy citizens will be required to do community work until their debt is paid off. Poor and sick citizens will be supported by taxpayers.

Anyway, Obamacare has a big problem with self-insured people. It will not be permitted on an individual level, and will be restricted to a couple of named groups on a group level.

So how do you feel about car insurance? Should we allow any yahoo to run around without liability insurance?

You do not have to buy a car insurance. First, you don't have to buy a car in the first place. Second, if you do own a car, you don't need to buy your car insurance from an insurance company. There are other options. You can deposit $35K with the DMV; you can be self-insured (requires that you prove to DMV that you have money); you can also get a private surety bond for the same $35K.

I personally buy my car insurance, but that's because it is cheaper this way. I think I pay $300/yr for one car. That is 0.85% of the $35K. If I have the $35K I would be far better off investing the money because I can get anywhere between 3% and 5% from municipal bonds, for example. But this choice is mine and mine alone. Obamacare takes this choice away from me.

114 posted on 03/03/2012 11:02:47 AM PST by Greysard
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To: entropy12

“To my post above let me add that I am 100% in favor of PRIVATE insurance only. I am 100% against government run health service of any kind.”

That’s how people with SENSE, would think.


115 posted on 03/03/2012 11:30:24 AM PST by ourworldawry
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To: Da Bilge Troll

You have very little sense of financial proportion.
A Mastercard has spending limits, typically 5 to 10K dollars.

A single hospital bill for a week’s stay is well over $120,000. Obviously you are not well versed in financial world.


116 posted on 03/03/2012 12:51:11 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: avacado

Your post is hilarious. Obamacare is 2800 pages. I am against 96.5% of Obamacare. Mandate I am talking about is for catastrophic hospitaql charges which you can not afford without insurance.


117 posted on 03/03/2012 12:53:19 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: Sirius Lee

Think logical. It will help you succeed in life. Your weight does not cost me anything. Your hospital stay without insurance costs me higher insurance premiums.


118 posted on 03/03/2012 12:54:54 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: freedomfiter2

I agree completely....government should get out of running Medicare & Medicaid. I am on Medicare and it is getting harder every year to find doctors who will take new patients.


119 posted on 03/03/2012 12:57:13 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

Think logically. It will help you succeed in life. The government that forces you to buy health insurance will later be dictating what insurance policies should cover, how much they should cost........

Your brand of incremental statism is no better than theirs.


120 posted on 03/03/2012 1:03:11 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I loathe freeloaders who take risks and then are unable to pay the humongous hospital bills. If it takes a law to prevent that theft, so be it. If it takes a law to prevent one from robbing banks so be it. If it takes a law to prevent one from burglarizing others, so be it.

Those who refuse to take responsibility for their hospital costs are no better than a thief who steals your wallet. Because they are stealing my money in the form of higher premiums to pay for their cheating.

Having a law on the books does not mean more government in your life any more than a law against bank robbery. Try to think on deeper levels instead of forming knee jerk opinions .


121 posted on 03/03/2012 7:29:09 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

Who is going to end up being forced to buy insurance for those that are mandated to, but cannot afford it?


122 posted on 03/03/2012 7:42:28 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Same people who pay for food stamps, unemployment checks for 99 weeks, unlimited free medicaid costs, rent subsidies, heat subsidies, aid to dependent children, reduced costs lunches to students, etc.

But I am talking about those WHO CAN AFFORD insurance and do not bother to buy it. However I am against the type of mandate in Obamacare which requires you to buy “deluxe” insurance. I am for a type of insurance which will only cover catastrophic health care bills and which can be bought from any state. Such insurance does not exist now. So, I am hoping a real healthcare reform law will emerge after the 2012 elections.


123 posted on 03/03/2012 7:55:46 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

Given the governments propensity to get “the camel’s nose under the tent”, distort markets and then completely take over I highly doubt they’ll limit their actions to the individual mandate to buy “basic” insurance. The individual mandate in and of itself is contrary to freedom, and eventually the government will define what is and is not insurance (according to interest group politics), how much it costs etc. Your solution inevitably leads to single payer socialized medicine.


124 posted on 03/03/2012 8:14:02 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

You want to know the worst mandate of all? I just did a preliminary calculation of my federal income tax for 2011. I sold some long held stocks in 2011 to pay for my kid’s college expenses and am shocked at the tax bill now coming due. This confiscation of my money in the form of taxes is the worst kind of mandate...it effects everything in my life...where I can live, what I can eat, where kids can go to college...everything!

As for your point that a healthcare self-responsibility mandate will lead to single payer, it all depends on who we elect. Look, we elected Obama and the worst kind of mandate is already here, requiring every one to buy deluxe insurance which includes contraception, abortion, and a variety of maladies brought on by bad behavior. Obamacare has so many bad things in it, I can do a 5 page write-up.

The mandate I would like to see will only be for catastrophic medical expense. If you are against that what is your solution for those who end up in hospitals and can’t pay their bills for lack of insurance? Note that that mandate will only apply to those whose income justifies it. For the destitute, we already have insurance..also known as Medicaid.


125 posted on 03/03/2012 10:03:33 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

We agree about taxes, but sadly we will never agree about the individual mandate. I don’t believe it is the government’s role to compel free people to buy products they might not want. There wouldn’t be a problem to solve if the government hadn’t gotten involved to begin with.


126 posted on 03/03/2012 10:19:47 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I have no problem if you disagree with me on the mandate issue. But I have not heard your solution to the hospital bills left unpaid by the cheaters. Who should pick up their tab? Right now us folks who bother to buy health insurance are stuck with it.

It is great that your are against something, but then if you do not have a workable alternative, your opinion ends up sounding hollow.


127 posted on 03/03/2012 10:44:38 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

“It is great that your are against something, but then if you do not have a workable alternative, your opinion ends up sounding hollow.”

I’ve given you my solution. There would have never been a problem if the government hadn’t gotten involved in the first place. Hospitals should not be compelled to treat people that do not pay.


128 posted on 03/03/2012 10:52:15 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: red flanker
Mitt seemed so earnest when he said he never thought the federal government should have an individual mandate.

Mitt lies as coolly as Obama does.

129 posted on 03/04/2012 2:35:32 AM PST by syriacus (Contraception mandate will enrich Planned Parenthood.)
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To: ourworldawry
That’s how people with SENSE, would think.

The moment the government mandates the purchase of private insurance - makes it a crime for a human to not buy a product, even if it's from the private sector, simply for the act of being alive - the government is 100% involved.

We are either free and sovereign citizens or we are hypothecated labor units to other entities - slaves.

Even the IRS doesn't make a person with no income pay taxes. There is no difference between the federal government forcing people to buy insurance and forcing people to purchase a Chevy Dolt - even if they don't drive.

It only makes sense if you're one of those people who also think that the best way to control crime is to lock every single person up so that there is no way for anybody to ever commit a crime to begin with. That's the logic of Fascists, but it's nothing you'll find in the Declaration Of Independence, nor the Constitution.

130 posted on 03/04/2012 6:14:38 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: entropy12
A single hospital bill for a week’s stay is well over $120,000

Well, then, it would certianly be worth the legal expense, don't you think?

131 posted on 03/04/2012 1:57:02 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

And why should the hospital be burdened with legal bills because some cheater jerks refuse to buy insurance?

Are you willing to make a contribution to defray their unnecessary legal bills?


132 posted on 03/04/2012 7:29:57 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

You can’t be serious! (to borrow a phrase from John McEnroe)
You really want hospitals to refuse medical care to people who show up at the emergency room after a serious injury in an auto accident, tornado, earthquake or hurricane?

WOW, how heartless! No my friend, let them buy insurance before the calamity strikes. Just like we are required to buy fir insurance for our homes by the mortgage lender.


133 posted on 03/04/2012 7:34:23 PM PST by entropy12 (Profits are the mother's milk of capitalism & prosperity!)
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To: entropy12

Actually as you’ve already stated the poor have Medicaid and the free riders have the ability to pay but don’t. You’re a statist sir and no amount of calling me heartless will change that. Go sell your snake oil to a more receptive audience....I’m thinking of the Cuban Ministry of Non Commerce.


134 posted on 03/04/2012 7:45:31 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Sirius Lee

The moment the government mandates the purchase of private insurance - makes it a crime for a human to not buy a product, even if it’s from the private sector, simply for the act of being alive - the government is 100% involved.

We are either free and sovereign citizens or we are hypothecated labor units to other entities - slaves.

“Even the IRS doesn’t make a person with no income pay taxes. There is no difference between the federal government forcing people to buy insurance and forcing people to purchase a Chevy Dolt - even if they don’t drive.

It only makes sense if you’re one of those people who also think that the best way to control crime is to lock every single person up so that there is no way for anybody to ever commit a crime to begin with. That’s the logic of Fascists, but it’s nothing you’ll find in the Declaration Of Independence, nor the Constitution.”

Tell the ones who don’t already know this.


135 posted on 03/04/2012 9:40:27 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: entropy12
And why should the hospital be burdened with legal bills because some cheater jerks refuse to buy insurance?

When you go into business, that is the risk you take.

Are you willing to make a contribution to defray their unnecessary legal bills?

Are you willing to make a contribution to defray Mastercards' legal bills?

136 posted on 03/05/2012 1:44:52 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: red flanker; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Truth hurts, don’t it Mitt-bots?

Nanny State PING!


137 posted on 03/05/2012 6:52:25 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: entropy12

I will let you tell me how to handle my health care, if you let me tell you what to eat and drive.


138 posted on 03/05/2012 7:02:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: MissMagnolia
In July 2009, Mitt Romney wrote an op-ed in USA Today urging Barack Obama to usean individual mandate at the national level to control healthcare costs.

I'm calling shenanigans on Erick and his website. Every conservative already knows that Mitt is not a conservative. An op-Ed in the USA Today left on every hotel doorstep and available to anyone with a modem hardly qualifies as groundbreaking investigative journalism.

139 posted on 03/05/2012 7:33:12 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


140 posted on 03/05/2012 8:15:48 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: delms
why didn’t you locate this yourself? Why are you counting on a santotum volunteer to find this? Romney pours millions into oppo research. Santorum has a few hundred volunteers

Why should I? I don't work for Santorum. If he can't pay some geek $10/hour to do a simple LexisNexis search for everything Romney's published in the past 20 years, then he's just not smart enough to be president.

141 posted on 03/07/2012 7:56:00 AM PST by kevao
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