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Huh? Sheriff Joe Arpaio gives Obama 2012 a gift, goes after birth certificate
GlennBeck.com ^ | 3/2/2012 | Glenn Beck

Posted on 03/02/2012 7:29:35 PM PST by jdoug666

Just when Obama was starting to run out of things to say about Republicans, Sheriff Joe Arpaio decides to come out and launch a big investigation into Barack Obama’s birth certificate

(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beck; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; duplicate; glennbeck; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: jdoug666

The two main investigators, Zullo and Corsi, already have an e-book about the “investigation” on sale for $9.99. All proceeds to Zullo and Corsi.

When the investigators have a financial incentive to ensure a particular outcome, do you think for a second that this will be considered by any legal authority to be a fair and impartial investigation?

Zullo and Corsi just poisoned the well and left Joe hanging.


51 posted on 03/03/2012 5:34:08 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: GoCards
"Okay dont flame me but I think this particular topic is a non starter. Its uncomfortable and the masses will shoo it away. We need to focus on substance. Just sayin...."

Yes, the rule of law is often uncomfortable for those that ignore it.

The politicians and the media are the ones that are attempting to shoo it away. If we let this fraud and Usurper stand for another FOUR years, this country is finished.

Just sayin...

52 posted on 03/03/2012 5:42:23 AM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: moehoward

“altered” really...

Altered might be we air brushed some anomalies...

Several LE experts have testified both in court and in public press events that the documents are forgeries.

How much crack do you actually smoke?


53 posted on 03/03/2012 7:25:33 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: jdoug666

Beck is a freaking moron. I refuse to listen to someone so dismally uniformed as this pretender.


54 posted on 03/03/2012 8:12:31 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Harlan1196

Harlan:”When the investigators have a financial incentive to ensure a particular outcome”

Attack the messengers - typical Alinsky style...

Do you also think these men created the volumes of inconsistency in Obama’s “story” just to sell books? Do you think they were responsible for the lies and cover-ups committed on Obama’s behalf, just to sell books? Do you think that all the research and information that these men have collected and presented just falls in your lap and comes for free?

I will grant you that many people have contributed information to this investigation beyond these two, but at some point you have to pay the bills. And should not someone’s hard work be accounted for? Are you like one of the liberal media that claim profit is evil?

Look at how much profit Obama made on his two books and he was employed as a public official during the second?


55 posted on 03/03/2012 8:46:37 AM PST by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: surfer
"How much crack do you actually smoke?"

Way to go. Go for the insult right away. It's right up there with calling anyone that questions the authenticity a racist, and it's a super way win fence sitters over to your side.

Here's the deal. IF we are talking about the originally posted document. It has been altered. It is different than the version handed out by the WH at the presser at the same time. We know this because the (iirc) AP posted a high res copy online.

What decisively proves the WH version was altered is the duplicate characters. There are numerous duplications on a document of comparatively low character count. The odds of which happening are so astronomically high, only the most topically ignorant bias apologist, would attempt to counter with explanation.

This does not prove it's forged. It may in fact be a manipulated authentic document.

For the record, I dove into this head first. I read every blog that got posted here and every thread, because I have been in the printing industry for the past 30 years and know much about processing "camera ready" art. Which means I've spent millions of hours looking at type and glyphs through a loop, or on a HD screen. So far I haven't found any of the OCR/Acrobat/PDF processing anomaly explanations compelling.

Now excuse me, I must get back to my crack pipe.

56 posted on 03/03/2012 9:37:50 AM PST by moehoward
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To: jdoug666
I, for one, will celebrate Obama's re-election

That's vile and despicable, no matter your rationalizations. I don't care what further explanation you make to justify such a contemptible mindset, I won't be reading it.

57 posted on 03/03/2012 9:51:15 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: jdoug666
I, for one, will celebrate Obama's re-election

Even if in jest or to make a point, that is a disgusting thing to say.

Obama's re-election means the end of America, and years of hardship for every American and their families.

How can that be celebrated?

58 posted on 03/03/2012 9:58:55 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: One Name

“Barack Obama is an illegitimate occupier of the Office of President of the United States, under the Constitution”

Folks, I’ve said this before. This has to be made on more than one law enforcement front:

The Power of Two: Multiple fronts:

As in, “The Brotherhood of the Bell”, for progress to be made, there must be another second corroborating independent exposure team (2 “Sheriffs” i.e law sanctioned body) to sway the tide.

Preferably another second totally independent “Sheriff” (sanctioning law enforcement body)with findings. Followed by 2-3-4-5- etc., For it is in the power of 2, then 3, then 4....


59 posted on 03/03/2012 10:26:42 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Harlan1196
you are a real piece of “work” you attack the messenger donofrio, corsi etc but never the message. If you look at Obama and his obots,state of Hawaii, lying government employees, they have a financial and agenda interest in keeping him in office. I don't hear you saying anything about that?

There are two sides to that coin, and you have ignored one side. Most everyone has an axe to grind, even prosecutors, which is or should be truth Justice and the American way. It's obvious to me who's axe you are trying unsucessfully to grind.

60 posted on 03/03/2012 10:42:16 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Varsity Flight

It would be nice if more than one law enforcement “front” investigated theis, but it appears they are afraid to do so. We are living under a shadow govt that uses reward and punishment like a dictatorship. Indeed where is William Wallace when we need him?

My best hope was for Trump or someone with money to offer a large financial sum in return for information that is being hidden. Failing that many people know what has happened adn they would have to realize that sooner or later the whole story will unravel and many will take a fall with it. They now have pressure on them that an investigation will continue, and must decide if they will be the first to jump ship and make a deal for immunity in return for information.

One big problem is jurisdiction, and getting proof from Hawaii, DC etc who apparently are in on the cover up. Pressure should be brought on Obama and Hawaii to come clean. The MSM is complicit by not even asking Obama to allow his real BC records to be presented to the public along with passport, school records, Selective Service, Social Security etc. If law enforcement cant get the info its up to the people to put enough pressure to get the job done. How to do that under this dictatorship is a good question, are there enough patriots willing to take a stand (non-violent of course)and pressure Obama, the media, advertisers etc to clear this thing up once and for all?

Imagine such doubt about our President not being cleared up after 3 years and he is running again for another 4 its a joke the USA is laughing stock of the world.


61 posted on 03/03/2012 10:53:14 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Because I don’t look to professional poker players for legal advice. I don’t look to conspiracy peddling “journalists” that write for conspiracy rags like WND for anything resembling the truth.

The day you have real court certified document and fraud examiners opine on Obama’s BC then I will pay attention.

You refuse to look at the professional qualifications and experience of those leading your movement. You blindly accept anything they say that fits your world view.


62 posted on 03/03/2012 11:12:05 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: moehoward

It isn’t just the various forms of multiple types of BC’s floating around for Obozo.

Altered is the most mild way to put it. They copied numeric values from other documents and layered them into the BC on wh.gov in an attempt to forge the long form BC.

His selective service card is also a FORGERY.

Along with probably most everything else about his past.


63 posted on 03/03/2012 11:23:45 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: jdoug666
Will he simply shut down his whole venture
instead of talking about the eligibility cases?


Shut it down, forever. /Mr. Book

64 posted on 03/03/2012 11:37:19 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Because I don’t look to professional poker players for legal advice. I don’t look to conspiracy peddling “journalists” that write for conspiracy rags like WND for anything resembling the truth.

so you read a few cases and determine you know better...lol.

The day you have real court certified document and fraud examiners opine on Obama’s BC then I will pay attention.

And why hasn't that happened, or did it? Did Arpaio have questioned document examiners look at it? If not why not? Obama and Hawaii won't let anyone see it. WHY are you that illogical to not understand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAU28t5Ya0

You refuse to look at the professional qualifications and experience of those leading your movement. You blindly accept anything they say that fits your world view.

You are full of it you have no idea what I have seen and what I have learned from experienced professionals. There is not one professional investigator or law enforcement officer that I have talked to that doesn't have suspicions about Obama's documentation, even those who voted for him. Everything is a red flag and you are color blind. I don't blindly accept anything especially not all the anomolies related to Obama. Go back to swabbing the deck and walking around with your coffee cup, methings that is your forte of professional qualifications and experience, not law, investigations, nor questioned documents.

As for an agenda, who pays for your contract work inside the beltway? Who are you beholding to? You sure spend a lot of time here spewing nonsense, its almost as if its your paid job.

65 posted on 03/03/2012 11:38:29 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: GoCards
Okay dont flame me but I think this particular topic is a non starter.
With the tech savvy young adults that are out there today in America you show beyond a doubt that you don't know what you're talking about.
Nobody likes being lied to.
66 posted on 03/03/2012 11:49:26 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RIghtwardHo
It permits them to paint us all with the extremist brush.
Guess what, we're already painted with the extremist brush.
One more coat isn't going to change things.
67 posted on 03/03/2012 11:55:59 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rolling_stone

The day Sheriff Joe says “I have started an official criminal investigation.” is the day I pay attention to Sheriff Joe. A real investigation with professional unbiased investigators with the legal power to compel testimony and evidence. The kind of investigations police do everyday of the year.

Sheriff Joe is the one who will tell you just how meaningful this “investigation” is. If he does nothing to move on to an official investigation then he, and the birthers, are merely blowing smoke.


68 posted on 03/03/2012 12:00:42 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: lentulusgracchus
...under U.S. law, which under the law as it existed at that time made Barry Dunham a single-parent, fatherless person, but still a natural-born citizen by reason of his mother's uncontested U.S. citizenship.
It's BS. That law being spoken about applies to being born outside of the US.
If he's going to now claim he was born outside of the US then his whole narrative is shown to be as fake as the BC.

And as to his "bigamous marriage"...there is still an announced father for the bastard son. She would have been better served to have stated "NONE" than put in a name.

69 posted on 03/03/2012 12:06:02 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
The day you have real court certified document and fraud examiners opine on Obama’s BC then I will pay attention.

It's kind of hard to opine on something that nobody is actually allowed to see.

70 posted on 03/03/2012 12:12:50 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

So why doesn’t Sheriff Joe start an official criminal investigation so he can use his official power to compel testimony and evidence?

Why is he messing around with make believe investigations with his “posse”?

He does have the power to conduct official criminal investigations, doesn’t he?


71 posted on 03/03/2012 12:17:04 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
The day Sheriff Joe says “I have started an official criminal investigation.” is the day I pay attention to Sheriff Joe.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Your mere presence on this thread belies your words and shows beyond a doubt that you're already paying attention to Sheriff Joe.
You simply give what he says and what he's doing no credence.

72 posted on 03/03/2012 12:19:07 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
I'm not Sheriff Joe so I can't answer your questions. His office has a phone. Would you like the number?

@Sheriff Arpaio: (602) 876-1801

Your other questions get the same reply.
Be a diligent citizen reporter if you're so concerned. Call him and ask him yourself. I don't, and won't, speak for the man.

73 posted on 03/03/2012 12:24:49 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Well, I must admit I am curious to see if Sheriff Joe actually has the balls to start an official criminal investigation.

Right now he has the best of both worlds - able to please potential voters without committing to a real legal process with actual consequences.

Sheriff Joe, besides being right on immigration, has always had high entertainment value.


74 posted on 03/03/2012 12:25:33 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: rolling_stone

let me add my 2 cents.........I was there in the room front row runnin tape and yappin when and where I could...

..here is the non-political take first.....

present in a very guarded venue of the Sheriff’s facilities Sheriff Joe held a presser about documents presented to the state of Arizona as real in expectation of ballet presence for the intent of Presidential consideration as candidate.

A complaint was made by Surprise Tea Party members as the credibility of said documents.

Sheriff Joe received the issue, looked, passed to an asigned volunteer “posse” .

The posse doing due diligence made aware to Sheriff Joe their findings. Sheriff Joe decared his opinin of a legal “posse” findings singly about documents of qualification for the office of President of the United States

These documents included a long form birth certificate and a selective service document.

Next the evidence in question was shown in video style in a disection manner. Every what if was examined, explained ,and solutioned...

By the time video 3 was completed.....the Obama supporters including the media as well the not Obama supporters knew to a man and women, the presented documents were faked...

Even Satan bowed his head and said “ shit”

The rest of the presser was ...you have an agenda or whatcha gonna do next Joe ?

to add.....it was said the person and computer that uploaded the docs to the WH 20 minutes prior is know as it the operator

also a sworn witness has said he met ,on William Ayres mother’s front lawn , a man who introduced Obama to her as an exchange student from Indonesia

It was said there are other know facts they cannot speak of now

interesting to me was the after questions...all were to seek or defend a position of the presenters when a screamin question needed asked but was not.....proving agendas on both saide

that question ....so when into your 8 month investigation were you accurately aware of the person of interest ? to days in or two days ago ?


75 posted on 03/03/2012 12:27:43 PM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: Harlan1196

your focus is misplaced regardless your content be it right or wrong

the question is why was there a need to film this


76 posted on 03/03/2012 12:29:23 PM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: Harlan1196
You're nothing but huff and bluff and your replies are perfect evidence of that.
77 posted on 03/03/2012 12:32:16 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

No - I’ll just sit back and watch the show.


78 posted on 03/03/2012 12:33:14 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
No - I’ll just sit back and watch the show.
How can you when you're blind.
You don't see what's right in your face.
79 posted on 03/03/2012 12:48:10 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jdoug666; LucyT; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

Ping...................

A few months ago, I was right about the scared rabbit called Beck who attacked the eligibility conservatives as kooks and loons.

Soros must have demanded beck’s firing from FOX. It looks like Murdoch complied and the rest is history.

Some FReepers objected to what I wrote then, which was that Beck could disagree on anything, but attacking other conservatives just to save his hide wasn’t acceptable to me.


80 posted on 03/03/2012 12:51:37 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: moehoward
Which means I've spent millions of hours looking at type and glyphs through a loop, or on a HD screen.

Exaggerate much?

81 posted on 03/03/2012 12:52:28 PM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: houeto; moehoward
Which means I've spent millions of hours looking at type and glyphs through a loop, or on a HD screen.

In the US the average lifespan is 78.06 years x 365 days x 24 hours = 683,806 hours.

82 posted on 03/03/2012 12:58:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: houeto; moehoward
Not my math...@How many hours does the average person live in their lifetime?
83 posted on 03/03/2012 1:01:24 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I saw Zullo pimp the contents of his new book. Was that supposed to impress me?


84 posted on 03/03/2012 1:25:14 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

Yet I will most likely be proven right on this.

Everyone is happy right now.

Zullo and Corsi have a platform to sell books. Farrah has a platform to raise money for WDN. The gravy train will just roll on.

Sheriff Joe placates a potentially troublesome constituency and pleases his core voters while not having to do any thing of real legal consequence.

This is how it will play out until the election. Sheriff Joe will not conduct an official criminal investigation. He will not subpena Obama’s BC.


85 posted on 03/03/2012 1:32:22 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Huff.
86 posted on 03/03/2012 1:47:43 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
And bluff.
87 posted on 03/03/2012 1:48:18 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: houeto; philman_36
"Exaggerate much?"

Not generally. I could have just as easily said, I've spent my life, my career, countless, forever, or umpteen, or any other regularly used euphemism.

But I'm guessing if you are wanting an exact hourly count, no matter what it is, it wont change your opinion of my qualification on the subject.

88 posted on 03/03/2012 1:53:12 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Harlan1196

either you are stupid as an anvil or you have an agenda requirin you to punch a time card

my guess is both


89 posted on 03/03/2012 1:54:46 PM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: moehoward
All I was doing was giving the hours of an average lifetime.
You can say whatever you like.
90 posted on 03/03/2012 1:56:02 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: advertising guy

What are you going to say when I am proven right and this pretend investigation goes nowhere?


91 posted on 03/04/2012 7:40:43 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

Notice how non-committal Sheriff Joe was? He bent over backwards to not point a finger at Obama.

Why do you think Sheriff Joe refused to conduct an official investigation from the get go?


92 posted on 03/04/2012 9:47:41 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Why do you think Sheriff Joe refused to conduct an official investigation from the get go?

Ummmm...well, I'll take a guess and say...maybe because he wanted to see what a preliminary investigation would uncover.
It doesn't make sense to spend taxpayer dollars if you don't have to, does it?

Why don't you ask Sheriff Joe? Here is his phone number...again...Sheriff Arpaio: (602) 876-1801.
That way you don't have to ask people that you obviously have no respect for to opine on the issue.

93 posted on 03/04/2012 10:10:26 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Or perhaps it was a safe way out of a political problem. By going the posse route, he pleased his political supporters without actually doing anything of consequence.

If Sheriff Joe doesn’t have the money to investigate the crime of the century then perhaps he should look at what he is actually spending his money on.


94 posted on 03/04/2012 10:15:54 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Why do you think Sheriff Joe refused to conduct an official investigation from the get go?

Or, perhaps, he thought that the results of his informal investigation would bestir those sitting on their backsides in whited sepulcher halls into actually do their job.

95 posted on 03/04/2012 10:17:44 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Or perhaps it was a safe way out of a political problem.
So call him and find out if you're so interested in knowing!

Why do you care what my opinion is anyway? It's painfully obvious
you hate my guts and you don't actually give a damn about what I think.

96 posted on 03/04/2012 10:22:22 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I don’t hate you - you are an anonymous poster on the internet. Nothing you can say or do could impact me in the slightest. You are rude and insulting, that is true, but even that doesn’t warrant hate.


97 posted on 03/04/2012 1:00:34 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

So it is not his job to officially investigate crimes committed in his jurisdiction?

Besides, with Corsi and Zullo publicly undermining the integrity of the investigation, it is hard to imagine anyone in those whited sepulcher halls taking this entire thing too seriously.


98 posted on 03/04/2012 1:04:35 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
So it is not his job to officially investigate crimes committed in his jurisdiction?
Did I say it wasn't?
99 posted on 03/04/2012 2:14:01 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
You are rude and insulting...
That's because you're a proven liar and a character assassin.
100 posted on 03/04/2012 2:15:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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