Skip to comments.Rick Santorumís Ohio Delegate Problems Pile Up (Could lose up to 1/4 of Super Tuesday haul)
Posted on 03/02/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by Allon
UPDATED: COLUMBUS, Ohio Even if Rick Santorum wins Ohio on Super Tuesday, he wont be able to claim all of its delegates. In fact, he is at risk of forfeiting more than one-quarter of them. In three of the states 16 congressional districts, including two that are near Ohios border with Pennsylvania, Santorum will lose any delegates he might have won because his campaign failed to meet the states eligibility requirements months ago. Those three districts alone take 9 delegates out of a total of 66 off the table for Santorum. But it gets worse: Nine more Ohio delegates may also be in jeopardy. Sources say that in six other congressional districts the third, fourth, eighth, tenth, twelfth and sixteenth Santorum submitted fewer names than required to be eligible for all three delegates up-for-grabs in each district.
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How is this just coming out now, 3 days before the election. Was he challenged by Romney on this?
How is this just coming out now, 3 days before the election. Was he challenged by Romney on this?
“According to the Ohio GOP, the Santorum campaign is missing the names of one delegate in the states third district, two in the fourth, one delegate in the eighth, two delegates in the tenth, one delegate in the twelfth and two delegates in the sixteenth. Santorums opponents Mitt Romney, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich each filed full slates in all of Ohios districts as did two candidates who are no longer in the race, Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman”
Ouch! Also according to the report Santorum has problems in other states. GO NEWT GO!
I don’t know, but given that many of the states have been penalized for not following the rules, including Newt and Santorum not qualifying for the VA ballot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the legalities here in Ohio hold up.
Frankly, I think the whole system is messed up. One thing it does do is force candidates to get their ground games going early.
Oh you KNOW Romney is behind the chicanery. There is NO WAY, NOW WAY - I will ever vote for this snake-oil salesman, Elmer Gantry Romney.
A vote for Romney in these primaries is an absolute, unequivical vote TODAY - for Barack Hussein Obama. Romney is every bit as much of a socialist sabotaging phony as is Barack Obama.
This, plus not getting on the ballot at all in Virginia. Great organization you got there Ricky boy. If you get the nomination, your inept team will surely beat the Obama machine hands-down this November.
How did we end up with such crappy candidates this Election cycle?
Because Reagan is dead.
Maybe Newt will pick up some of those wayward delegates. Go Newt go!
It favors big money establishment candidates.
According to the article, only the winner of that district can claim the delegates, and then, only if he qualified for them to represent him, prior to the primary.
In other words, if Rick wins a district, but doesn’t get the delegates, no one gets them.
Ohio may end up with half it’s delegates like S.C. or Florida.
“It favors big money establishment candidates. “
I think it favors candidates who can get their act together.
And no, I’m not a Romney supporter. But I think if you want to lead the free world you should dot your i’s and cross your t’s.
How is Romney behind Santorum not getting enough signatures?
I am so staying home this november.
Santorum not being able to Compete in Va is absolutely mind boggling that his birth place. Remember you have to win your home state. He is going to have to fight Newt hard for the PA delegates that is Newt birth place.
Just Imagine if Newt had not qualified for GA. This is a Huge Issue for Santorum.
Is this MSM’s Romney’s attempt of voter suppression ? or another Romney scam in the works ?
Santorum didn't have money and organization in time to get everything signed up in Ohio, just like he and Gingrich didn't get it done in VA.
Prior to this year it's likely Romney would have things pretty much wrapped up. The difference this time in Proportional Allocation and revolutionary unrest in the base.
This is the reason Santorum is not spending as much time as he would otherwise in Ohio...he CAN'T WIN IT even if he pick up 49% of the vote.
People, times are desperate.
Do not surrender.
GO NEWT GO..........
I like Rick. I liked Ike, too. Rick should keep on...all the way to a brokered convention.
BTW I voted in Ohio for Newt.
“How is this just coming out now, 3 days before the election. Was he challenged by Romney on this?”
For the same reason Newt was nuked on bloody thursday by Drudge and the GOP establishment. It’s negative media meant to kill turnout prior to super Tuesday.
These eligibility requirements are a real problem for the GOP in 2012. Absurd that only Romney and Paul will be on the VA ballot, for example. Yes, Rick and Newt “should have” taken care of this months ago, but then neither one of them had 1/10th of Mitt’s war chest back then.
It's a little of both with a lot of pump and dump from the MSM probably with help from the DNC. Romney is really good at trashing his opponents. But, it takes the MSM to pump each of his opponents up to the level where they need to be taken out. E.g., Palin (who was so trashed that she never entered the race), Bachmann, Cain, Newt, and now Santorum.
Besides money, it surely can’t hurt that both Paul and Romney have run before.
me too brother.
More dirty tricks of Team Romney?
I ask myself how a poorly funded candidate can jump all these legal hurdles for a full 50 states, and now it appears that it is by county.
Lots of money certainly seems to be the key for anyone wanting to run for the presidency. And that’s why billionaire funding seems to be the key to success.
It truly does mean that American candidates are bought and paid for.
We all realize, of course, that that is not the original constitutional system of electors being selected and then meeting to select a president.
The original system would mean that accomplishment and not access to wealth would have been the key determinant in who was considered for selection.
Rick has the same problem in TN
For once, this had nothing to do with dirty tricks from Romney. Santorum’s campaign organization, or lack there of, failed to do what was required of them.
I was actually undecided.. but I just made up my mind. One more for Newt in Ohio.
Mitt Romney, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich each filed full slates in all of Ohios districts as did two candidates who are no longer in the race, Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman
Actually, this is something that happened MONTHS ago, not in the last few days. The news media is only reporting on it now because Ohio votes on Tuesday and Santorum went from nowhere to leading in the polls.
From the article “According to the Ohio GOP, the Santorum campaign is missing the names of one delegate in the states third district, two in the fourth, one delegate in the eighth, two delegates in the tenth, one delegate in the twelfth and two delegates in the sixteenth. Santorums opponents Mitt Romney, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich each filed full slates in all of Ohios districts as did two candidates who are no longer in the race, Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman.”
So everyone but Rick was able to field a full slate of delegates in Ohio.
It is the lack of organization and money on Rick’s part that is causing him all of this heartache here at crunch time. That goes for Newt in VA, as well. And I do chalk that up to the establishment stacking the deck (”rules”) in favor of the “anointed one” with all the money. But this was done a LONG TIME AGO, not the last few weeks. Which means that it was not done TO Santorum, it was done to anyone that wasn’t the Establishment’s pick.
Does anyone remember the Ohio republican establishment challenging Obama’s eligibility either today for this years election, or back in 2008?
Yet, we must not allow Santorum to be qualified in our state because we juts discovered two or three signatures may not either be real or we miscounted and he is short!
Really makes you wonder if they would ever dare challenge a Democrat on anything that may be illegal or unethical like they do conservatives these days.
I am still waiting for Virginia republicans to demand Obama not be on the ballot because Sheriff Joe proved electronic copy his BS is a fraud.
I am really beginning to feel that even the Republican establishment was in on the fix to make Obama president in 2008, and they will stop at nothing to get him re-elected. As long as they can have the Senate and the House, they are willing to give Satan’s son the WH.
God help us, we truly are going to get screwed this election year, and it would have been the Republican go alongs who have done it to us.
Some of us have been pointing out Santorum's eligibility problems for a long time.
“How did we end up with such crappy candidates this Election cycle”
I’ve been asking the same question. lol
Old guy here.
I like Rick. I liked Ike, too.
...And in Tennessee, Santorum has ZERO delegates.
It’s obvious, most Santorum supporters are clueless or brain dead. We did warn them, but they refused to understand what we were saying. Now we all suffer the result of their stupidity.
The only person that threatens Romney in Ohio is Santorum. The others are not a threat at all and gain very little. Duhhhh? LOL
That’s not the point dforest. This is a DELEGATES GAME. It doesn’t matter how well Rick does in Ohio, he won’t be able to optimize the delegates.
The best way to fail to optimize any delegates is to not get very many votes.
You shoild be thrilled Santorum may lose Ohio and Newt will win Ohio. Right? Oh wait....
Can we just be serious for a minute? Yes, I am a STRONG NEWT SUPPORTER and I think that we are going to see a very different delegates race over the next 2 weeks. For Rick’s supporters to not even know how the delegates game works is pretty frustrating.
HOWEVER, ultimately I will vote for Rick if he is the nominee, no pouting, no staying home in protest. I am NOT rooting for his loss, I am just rooting for Newt’s WIN because I believe he has the better chance to beat Obama.
If you are unable to get the majority of primary voters in your own party to vote for you, you have no chance at all to win against Obama.
It is a little hard to believe you are so much more smart and savvy on the allocation of delegates than anyone else this time, Apparently rules are changing and problems are coming up that weren’t reported earlier. *wink wink* Try this tip, you have to place somewhere in front of Ron Paul in most states to get any at all. And if you do, like in Florida, where the rule was that the delegates were to be proportional, then all at once they weren’t, somebody gets screwed.
In Iowa, Romney didnt win, yet people out there probably think he did. In Maine, that was a real sham, talk about incompetent, they couldn’t even tally the votes before declaring Mitt the winner. In Virginia, voters are denied any choices but Romney or Paul. No write ins allowed. Whatta country! Santorum was also denied in Indiana until it was fought and proven that he qualified.
The allocation of delegates this time depends on what benefits the candidate Romney. The GOP is an embarrassment.
In the end, I will vote for either one, Rick or Newt, its up to them to duke it out. But Romney will still get the nod.
DELEGATE RACE AS IT STANDS NOW:
Romney- 154, of those 36 are non-binding= 118 solid
Santorum- 69, of those 52 are non-binding= 17 solid
Gingrich- 33, of those 3 are non-binding= 30 solid
Paul- 26, of those 18 are non-binding= 8 solid
POPULAR VOTE TOTALS:
All information found at Real Clear Politics
That’s too bad you won’t vote for him.
As Andrew Breitbart said so eloquently at CPAC, we need to get behind the nominee NO MATTER WHO it is. If we don’t, we are just like the occupy movement.
There are RULES. Santorum didn’t follow the rules. We are the party of rules and laws, yet you don’t want us to be this time? If Santorum can’t get this basic concept right how is he going to do as CIC?
There were no rule changes. just stupidity by Santorum.
At times, it's virtually unbelievable.
7 posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 10:14:17 PM by no dems: “This, plus not getting on the ballot at all in Virginia. Great organization you got there Ricky boy. If you get the nomination, your inept team will surely beat the Obama machine hands-down this November. How did we end up with such crappy candidates this Election cycle?”
15 posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 10:41:51 PM by Bailee: “Santorum not being able to Compete in Va is absolutely mind boggling that his birth place. Remember you have to win your home state. He is going to have to fight Newt hard for the PA delegates that is Newt birth place. Just Imagine if Newt had not qualified for GA. This is a Huge Issue for Santorum.”
First off, please stop the “Ricky boy” stuff. I don’t say things like that about Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney.
Second, I actually agree with both of you on the problems with Santorums campaign and lack of organization.
However, does that mean you’re supporting Romney? Gingrich failed to get on the ballot in Virginia, and didn’t bother filing for the primary in my state of Missouri. Remember that Virginia is where Gingrich actually lives, and before dismissing Missouri’s primary as a “beauty contest” that selected no delegates, remember that’s also true of the Washington state caucuses being held today, and several other nonbinding races.
I’m not happy with the lack of organization in either the Gingrich or Santorum campaigns. I’ve said publicly and repeatedly that we, as conservatives, are in a position where we should not be. We have the best chance in years to strike a devastating blow against liberalism and we’re blowing it with screwups like this.
The problem is that the same complaints can be made against Gingrich. I don’t consider Ron Paul to be a serious candidate since even he doesn’t think he’ll be elected and is merely trying to get enough delegates to have a libertarian influence on the party, and Romney is the only one of the serious candidates who had enough organizational aptitude and money to get on the ballot in all the states and do what should be standard for all candidates.
So blast Santorum all you want. You’ve got a good point. The problem is the disorganization complaints apply to Gingrich as well — and also applied to Rick Perry and several other candidates who had ballot access problems.
Absolutely Agree on Virginia. However I was off the impression Newt would be able to compete for Missouri 52 delegates on March 17th. Is this not the case?
I recon when all is said and done OH is actually better than VA. At least Santorum get credit for those delegates in OH that he managed to seat. But in VA it is all or none.