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Investigators now in hunt for forger
WND ^ | March 02, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/02/2012 10:01:11 PM PST by Smokeyblue

Members of the Cold Case Posse in Maricopa County, Ariz., whose report to Sheriff Joe Arpaio yesterday confirmed there is probable cause to believe Barack Obama’s much-ballyhooed birth certificate document is a forgery, have begun briefing members of the county law enforcement team who may be involved in hunting for those responsible.

At a news conference yesterday, Arpaio and the chief investigator for the specially appointed Cold Case Posse, Mike Zullo, confirmed that they had found evidence of forgery in the creation of the birth certificate image and fraud in the presentation of that piece of work as a real government document.

They also said they found Obama’s Selective Service registration likely forged, and they said it appeared as though officials in Hawaii were covering up information about Obama. They also said it was not outside the realm of possibility that Obama might have been born overseas.

SNIP

While he said that decision remained in the future, sources told WND today that the Cold Case Posse, a team of volunteers not being paid by taxpayers, were briefing sheriff’s office investigators on the status of evidence, so that they might be able to participate in the future as those responsible for the fraud and forgery uncovered already might be pursued.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; joearpaio; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 03/02/2012 10:01:15 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
The Plot Thickens!

If Arpaio, et al., remain diligent, the MSM will eventually descend to feed on the destruction. But we're too far away from that for comfort.

2 posted on 03/02/2012 10:08:19 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder

They’d better be careful or they’re going to end up like Breitbart.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 10:09:58 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Smokeyblue

There’s no point in analyzing the document.

It either matches what’s on file in Hawaii or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, then the State of Hawaii is in on the crime. That would be huge! But if it does, then WND need to wipe the spittle off their chin.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 10:18:34 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

....yeah and all the other fake / missing documents on 0bambi....?


5 posted on 03/02/2012 10:21:03 PM PST by spokeshave (Dole/McCain/Romney losers all....NEWT is da Man)
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To: cynwoody

No way Obama was born in Hawaii. Dunham was traveling.

1) The US National Archives deleted the microfiche from August 1 to August 7th of the INS records of 1961 International transit passengers.

2) Passport Office will not respond to the requests. We know Dunham had a passport that pre-dated 1967.

3) Tim Adams - “We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi’olani,” Adams stressed. “Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/254401/

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

“We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi’olani,” Adams stressed. “Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there.

“My supervisor came and told me, ‘Of course, there’s no birth certificate. What? You stupid,’” Adams said. “She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn’t know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady.”

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi’olani Medical Center had any records of Obama’s birth at their medical facilities: “Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama’s birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961.”


6 posted on 03/02/2012 10:21:03 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: ottbmare
They’d better be careful or they’re going to end up like Breitbart.

OMG!!!! You may be right...they could all die of natural causes!!

7 posted on 03/02/2012 10:27:57 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Smokeyblue
1) The US National Archives deleted the microfiche from August 1 to August 7th of the INS records of 1961 International transit passengers.

I would need to see the full report.

That is, for how many weeks in the fifties and sixties does the National Archives possess complete records vs how many not. And if the how many not is a small number, then the next step would be the visitor log and the surveillance videos ... of course, even with a worse case result, that line of investigation would be only suggestive, perhaps helpful in convincing a judge to haul the State of Hawaii into court, but not probative.

8 posted on 03/02/2012 10:36:28 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Tex-Con-Man
You may be right...they could all die of natural causes!!

At the age of 43!!

9 posted on 03/02/2012 10:40:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard (/sarc /facepalm)
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To: spokeshave
A birth certificate is not an all the other document. A birth certificate is an assertion that a state agency has on file a document asserting certain facts. If you think it's forged, then the answer is not to grandstand by assembling a panel of document forensics guys. Rather it's to go back to the horse's mouth, namely the state agency, and ask, under oath, is this what you certified?
10 posted on 03/02/2012 10:42:38 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody; WashingtonSource

Quoting Freeper WashingtonSource

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2853171/posts?q=1&;page=101

“Microfilm copies of INS records of every individual coming in from overseas. The National Archive gave them 685 rolls from 10 years. We asked Mr. Corsi to view them. He went in looking for August 1961, birth month of President. Mr. Corsi got to August 1 to August 7, those records disappeared from the microfm. Picked up on Aug 8 and continued on. We asked archives why this occurreed. To date they do not. What doeso that translate. We don’t know if Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama as an infant came into the country. We have to entertain information he was possibly born abroad.”


11 posted on 03/02/2012 10:45:07 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: cynwoody
That is, for how many weeks in the fifties and sixties does the National Archives possess complete records vs how many not... then the next step would be the visitor log and the surveillance videos...

surveillance videos from the fifties and sixties? Seriously?

12 posted on 03/02/2012 10:49:04 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

If our government hadn’t been so widely infiltrated as Marxists masquerading as Democrats, Breitbard wouldn’t have had that heart attack. The overwhelming frustration caused by this regime has probably caused thousands of Americans to have heart attacks.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 10:55:14 PM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: loboinok

Surveillance video for the time period which the microfilm was stolen or destroyed, probably shortly around the time 0bama got nominated or elected in 2008.


14 posted on 03/02/2012 10:58:07 PM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Smokeyblue

All paths lead to Soros. The computer-generated birth certificate was probably done by someone outside the United States and they’re probably ‘pushing up daisies’ already.


15 posted on 03/02/2012 11:01:19 PM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: loboinok
surveillance videos from the fifties and sixties? Seriously?

Of course! Wasn't Sandy Berger available for the errand? As a civic-minded high schooler, he would not have drawn suspicion. Sandy sanitizes the archives, while his Arkansas buddy Billy Jeff shakes hands with JFK. Makes perfect sense (as much as any birfer theory does)! The ideal choice for such a delicate mission. Plus, his sanitation expertise would prove so useful later on!

Because, it's obvious, as any drooling birfer knows, that we must plan decades into the future!

16 posted on 03/02/2012 11:03:03 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

That makes no sense!


17 posted on 03/02/2012 11:03:03 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: cynwoody

“then the next step would be the visitor log and the surveillance videos”

No problem. We’ll just get them from this guy: John O. Brennan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2419964/posts

Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July.

The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp...

McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain...

Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information.


18 posted on 03/02/2012 11:05:52 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: cynwoody

“then the next step would be the visitor log and the surveillance videos”

Or better yet, lets get them from Attorney General Eric Holder. He’s so trust worthy./sarcasm


19 posted on 03/02/2012 11:08:25 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: cynwoody

“as any drooling birfer knows”

Awww...little Obama-bot troll having a bad day?


20 posted on 03/02/2012 11:11:01 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Lancey Howard

aB nearly drank himself to death by the age of 25. Not just your normal college drinking, but hard core drinking. Read his book.

He was overweight, he was under a ton of stress, and he was not sleeping—all based on published reports.

This guy was a walking heart attack or stroke.

If you look at the facts, it is more surprising that he hadn’t had a heart attack before now.


21 posted on 03/02/2012 11:11:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: cynwoody

Okay, now I understand.


22 posted on 03/02/2012 11:11:57 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Smokeyblue
No problem. We’ll just get them from this guy: John O. Brennan

I thought I read that he entrusted the data to the late Leiutenant Quarles Harris, Jr., 578-11-2856, who sadly lost custody thereof by reason of being rubbed out?

23 posted on 03/02/2012 11:18:59 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: loboinok

Why doesn’t it make sense? All kinds of jobs are outsourced. What better way than to outsource a forgery job? It makes PERFECT sense. I don’t understand why you think it doesn’t make sense!


24 posted on 03/02/2012 11:20:31 PM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Vermont Lt

;) You just described half my college friends. Last I checked they’re all alive and older than AB.


25 posted on 03/02/2012 11:24:24 PM PST by LibertyLA (fighting libtards and other giant government enablers!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Time to get donations and PUT UP A REWARD FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE FORGERY.


26 posted on 03/02/2012 11:26:01 PM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: cynwoody

According to the presentation, they requested 10 consecutive years of INS records, and that was the only week missing in the batch of records.


27 posted on 03/02/2012 11:26:34 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cynwoody

Well, no “birfers” have suggested the records were deleted in the 50’s or 60’s, but go ahead and joust at that straw man you’ve created.


28 posted on 03/02/2012 11:28:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Smokeyblue

I’m placing odds on the presented COLB’s serial number as a leading indicator of questionable authenticity. The one digits had distinctly different serifs regardless of the varying scan characteristics.


29 posted on 03/02/2012 11:31:09 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: cynwoody

If you understood a little about the culture of Hawaii, you would see how lame your remark is.


30 posted on 03/02/2012 11:33:28 PM PST by Hostage (The revolution needs a spark. The Constitution is dead.)
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To: Smokeyblue

a document with different dpi’s on different signatures is obviously going to have problems. fortunately, state media has inoculated the public with a heavy negative bias to the topic.


31 posted on 03/02/2012 11:35:29 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Boogieman
According to the presentation, they requested 10 consecutive years of INS records, and that was the only week missing in the batch of records.

Ten years is 520 weeks. One week out of 520 is 0.192307692%.

The obvious questions are, (1) is it true? (2) is there an explanation? (3) who had access?

Of course, even if a video exists of a dude tampering and removing, that still doesn't begin to prove the case. It would just be a tool to convince a judge to dig in further.

We would need the rest of the story ... the actual document(s) on file with the State of Hawaii, etc. E.g., while a forensic examination of the WH BC PDF is pointless, an examination of the original paper record at the HDoH might turn up something interesting.

32 posted on 03/02/2012 11:39:10 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Hostage
If you understood a little about the culture of Hawaii, you would see how lame your remark is.

The definition of lame is to go after a PDF secondary source when there is a primary, authoritative source available.

You've just trashed that primary source. Now why not educate us about it? Tell us why a Hawaii BC is less reliable than, say, a Washington State BC? (and no need to be respectful in the telling, LOL!)

33 posted on 03/02/2012 11:46:31 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Yes, it’s not proof, but a very suspicious lead that bears further investigation. Try to dig up any documentation on this guy, and you’ll run into a lot of these suspicious leads, but good luck trying to get anywhere beyond that. What would be needed, is someone with the authority to mount a real investigation that matches the scope of the potential record tampering that may have taken place, and that would have to be at the Federal level.

God bless Sheriff Joe for what he’s trying to do, but he simply doesn’t have enough authority to ferret out the truth if there are Federal employees and officials complicit in records tampering of this nature. The best he can hope to do is uncover clues which make a case that there is an appearance of wrongdoing, and hope that someone who does have that authority will pick up the ball and run with it. I don’t think that will ever happen under this administration, and probably not even under a Republican one.

“while a forensic examination of the WH BC PDF is pointless, an examination of the original paper record at the HDoH might turn up something interesting.”

Yes, a forensic examination of a PDF can’t ever prove that the original was not forged, but they can demonstrate that the PDF is not consistent with an unaltered scan of an original, which is basically the case they’ve laid out. They could also possibly prove that the original is a forgery based on indisputable flaws in a faithful reproduction, just like Buckhead proved that the orignal Rathergate document must have been a forgery, without ever examining the original. To my knowledge, the HDoH hasn’t allowed any indepedant examination of the original document, and it doesn’t seem like they intend to, short of a court order. So we’re left at the mercy of our officials who don’t seem concerned with doing what needs to be done to ascertain the truth of the matter, one way or the other.


34 posted on 03/02/2012 11:59:34 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cynwoody

The Quarles Harris story is likely just a red herring. He was involved in a credit card fraud ring, and was cooperating with investigators, telling them that he had an accomplice in the State Dept who was helping him by providing info from passport records for the identity thefts. The only connection I’ve found between him and Brennan is that the Washington Times mentioned the article that they did about Brennan in the news story about Harris, without providing any direct link between the two or the two investigations.

It was misleading, because they said Harris was a “key witness” in a State Department investigation, then they mentioned the Brennan investigation. Harris was a witness in a different investigation, though, as far as I have been able to determine.


35 posted on 03/03/2012 12:03:59 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: cynwoody

Hawaii doesn’t answer questions it doesn’t want to answer, and it doesn’t show documents it doesn’t want to. Even if the law requires.

IOW, they are examining the document because it’s all they can do. And that document shows there’s some serious doo-doo going on. Even the reporters there understood that if fraud happened through a forged document, Obama just about had to be part of that fraud because he just about had to know the document was forged even if he didn’t forge it himself.

See, there are 2 issues - one is whether Obama is eligible to be POTUS, and the other is whether crimes were committed. A LE body can’t determine the first, but it is their duty to determine the second. They were faithful to that duty. Now that it seems probable that crimes were committed, the question is what we’re gonna do about it.

If we’re Judge Michael Malihi it doesn’t matter what evidence we do or don’t have, or what fraud has been perpetrated by Obama; he’ll declare him eligible based on judge’s knowledge alone. If all the states are the same, and/or if the voters would vote for somebody who defrauded them and/or refuses to document their eligibility, then we deserve what we get and it ain’t gonna be pretty.


36 posted on 03/03/2012 12:04:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Vermont Lt

Do you have links for some of those published reports? I’ve been trying to validate some of the claims that have been made about him in the last 2 days and haven’t had much luck.

You know, it’s funny about the “overweight” comment. Somebody else had said it was obvious that he had been having heart problems because he changed his diet and exercise and lost so much weight lately.

In his altered book ending he said he sleeps well at night.

Lots of statements in the last 2 days that conflict with previous statements.

The first article which Drudge linked to claimed that Breitbart had been having heart problems, based on what an anonymous friend had said, but the same article had his own father-in-law saying he knew of no cardiac problems. Now there are claims that he was hospitalized a year ago and a month ago with heart problems, as well as moving his office to be closer to home because he was short of breath once - all stuff that would be highly unlikely if his own father-in-law was unaware of any cardiac problems.

So there are wildly conflicting claims out there and as far as I’ve been able to see, none of the claims about a history of heart problems have been supported by statements that pre-dated March 1, 2012. So if you’ve got some of these published statements I really want to see them.


37 posted on 03/03/2012 12:14:52 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Boogieman

The murder of Quarles Harris is most likely unrelated but John O. Brennan and associates “cauterizing” Obama passport file is (in my opinion) not a red herring.


38 posted on 03/03/2012 12:21:10 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

The Power of Two:

As in the Ken Starr investigation, currently there is a complete polarization of “friendly” (beneficiaries) on each side of this. Even though everyone absolutely knew Clinton broke the law, together with “hostile” witnesses diminishing acts of fact.

As in, “The Brotherhood of the Bell”, for progress to be made, there must be another second corroborating independent exposure team (2 “Sheriffs” i.e law sanctioned body) to sway the tide. Preferably another second totally independent “Sheriff” (sanctioning law enforcement body)with findings. Followed by 2-3-4-5- etc., For it is in the power of 2, then 3, then 4....


39 posted on 03/03/2012 12:28:18 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Smokeyblue

I don’t think Sheriff Joe has to look far. Anyone who covered up for zero now has a position or job in the white hut.

I’m listening to C2C right now. Hence my next thought:
Mr Breitbart now has the power to guide Sheriff Joe to the evidence he now needs.

Prayer changes things.
Pray for our Country.


40 posted on 03/03/2012 12:34:44 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Hostage
hey....who says Hawaii has been corrupt, loose with their birth records going back decades! Sun Yat Sen certainly wouldn't think so!

Just hang loose, so say's the former HI Gov

Cheers!


41 posted on 03/03/2012 12:37:14 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Smokeyblue

I agree, Brennan and the passport tampering is one thing among many that stinks to high heaven of conspiracy.


42 posted on 03/03/2012 12:40:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: rxsid

“Sun Yat-Sen, the Founding Father of modern, post-imperial Republican China, attended Punahou when it was called Oahu College for a year of post-secondary school after graduating from Iolani School.”

A fellow Punahou Academy Alumni, believe it or not!


43 posted on 03/03/2012 12:47:40 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Smokeyblue
Members of the Cold Case Posse in Maricopa County, Ariz., whose report to Sheriff Joe Arpaio yesterday confirmed there is probable cause to believe Barack Obama’s much-ballyhooed birth certificate document is a forgery, have begun briefing members of the county law enforcement team who may be involved in hunting for those responsible.

I hope that they remember to bring along their jackhammers. Cracking open concrete building foundations can be pretty exhausting work.

Regards,

44 posted on 03/03/2012 2:38:42 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: cynwoody
It's time to spread the word cyny.

Our president was such a pussy he refused to register with selective service.

When we signed up and made that commitment to die for our country, the USA, our president chose to snort some coke and hide as an Indonesian student in California.

The truth isn't pretty. Our president is a cowardly draft dodger. A yellow bellied piece of sheet.

45 posted on 03/03/2012 4:59:23 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: cynwoody
I do not know the Truth about any of this but you seem to so answer this... why is it that EVERYTHING surrounding this president's past is questionable... the Selective Service post mark... sealed records... missing records etc... not one single paper trail is clean... everything has something unique or impossible attached to it? Explain this all to me please... oh great sage.

LLS

46 posted on 03/03/2012 5:28:04 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Smokeyblue
Given the overwhelming evidence of forgery established, that hunt requires merely 2 plane tickets and 2 car/cab rides - together with what before the Obama Regime was the routine application of the rule of law.

Hawaii State Archives

White House

But given the lawlessness of the current regime, the leftist bias in the judiciary, and the spinelessness GOP leadership in the Congress, the last is too much to expect.

47 posted on 03/03/2012 5:29:44 AM PST by drpix
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To: LibLieSlayer

Baffle them with bs, make the whole thing sound so outlandish that it’s dismissed as tinfoil, set various factions to arguing amngst themselves about which one is “true” as if it isn’t all intertwined.

The whole thing is very elaborate and very murky, to conceal some basic, problematic fact. That fact is that his status as a natural born citizen is doubtful. I’ve said since 2008 that the birth certificate thing is a distraction designed to preoccupy all the would-be Buckheads, looking to relive past glory. For instance, the uproar over “layers” in a PDF. Ever heard of Easter Eggs embedded in a program? Same thing, a little something to keep the snipe hunt going.

Why has no one ever asked Obama point blank if he is a natural born citizen under the United States Constitution? He won’t answer it and can’t without an admission of ineligibility. An evasive nonanswer would be very revealing.

We act as if we have to prove ineligibility, when the truth is the inverse.


48 posted on 03/03/2012 5:43:24 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Smokeyblue
It's interesting that the address Obama lists on his selective service card is one block from the hospital he says he was born in on his birth certificate. Now I know where he got the name for his birth hospital???
49 posted on 03/03/2012 5:48:43 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Smokeyblue
According to a prior FR post Sheriff Arapio's Cold Case Posse uncovers "systematic effort to obscure the truth" (Coach is Right | 3/2/2012) on Arpaio's news conference:
"The Posse has numerous sworn affidavits from individuals all over the world. These are people willing to come forth and tell their stories. In fact, just prior to the end of the press conference, {retired New Jersey police detective and lead Posse investigator} Zullo told the story of a now retired government employee who was introduced to Barack Obama at the home of Bill Ayers! He states that he was told Obama was a foreign student, studying in the US! This was about the same time the Selective Service card would have been mismarked!"
Another internet site has already posted statements of a letter carrier who delivered mail to Ayer's parent's Glen Ellyn home for 39 years. Among the things he said were::
"Barack Obama visited the house of Tom and Mary Ayers, parents of former Weather Underground activist turned education professor Bill Ayers, in the mid-1980s to thank the Ayers’ for their support of his education."

Barack Obama’s Visit to the Other Ayers House
(stephen-diamond.com - 2009)

Now connect this with the Breitbart discovery of video he described (at his CPAC speech) as follows:

"The videos are going to come out; the narrative is going to come out that Barack Obama met a bunch of silver ponytails back in the 1980s like Bill and Bernadine Dohrn, equally radical, who said one day we're going to have the presidency. And the rest of us slept while they plotted...."

FR-posted youtube

How critical is the time between now and the November election?
50 posted on 03/03/2012 5:48:55 AM PST by drpix
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