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Weekly Standard ^ | 3/1/2012 | Lee Smith

Posted on 03/02/2012 11:03:46 PM PST by U-238

A number of recent articles make the case that the administration’s Syria policy is incoherent. Elliott Abrams says it’s worse than that: The White House’s position on Syria is duplicitous. Abrams looks at a series of recent interviews Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has given to the press about Syria, and identifies what appear to be the administration’s three reasons for not supporting the Syrian opposition.

First is the administration’s concern that, according to Clinton, al Qaeda may have infiltrated the opposition. Second, she contends that arming the opposition is futile because given the regime’s firepower there is no way the opposition can win. Finally, she says that the uprising is limited in scope, and more Syrians need to take to the streets before the White House knows the uprising is serious.

“This is an amazing policy combination,” writes Abrams.

Clinton appears to argue that our intelligence agencies are so inept they cannot identify terrorists and cannot find any way at all to get arms to Syrians — as opposed to Palestinians from Hamas or other foreigners from al-Qaeda…. Second, she suggests that precisely because Assad is using tanks and artillery to attack the population, we cannot aid them because our military assistance would be too limited. They are better off dying, this argument logically holds, than fighting back. Their bravery in fighting for the past year with such limited arms is to be rewarded with the complaint that the odds are just too heavily stacked against them. Then comes the coup de grace: After saying we won’t help, after saying that outside “intervention” would only lead to more violence or “civil war,” after noting the disparity of arms between the citizens and the state, she demands that they rise up.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; assad; damascus; hillaryclinton; middleeast; obama; syria

1 posted on 03/02/2012 11:03:53 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

And Forth it’s none of our beeswax.


2 posted on 03/02/2012 11:16:01 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: U-238

Assad is Shia. Obama never takes on Shia.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 11:18:08 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: SaxxonWoods

The Alawites are an offshoots of Shi’ites

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/02/us-syria-alawites-sect-idUSTRE8110Q720120202


4 posted on 03/02/2012 11:20:38 PM PST by U-238
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To: SaxxonWoods

The outlawed Muslim Brotherhood called Alawites infidels for decades.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 11:22:46 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Weasel words........

8:}

6 posted on 03/03/2012 12:39:01 AM PST by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: U-238

The first to suffer if the opposition gets its way is the Christians. Assad is a no good tyrant but much like Saddam he protected the Christian minority. There are instances where one can hope both sides lose. Such a notion is unique to Mid East conflicts.Stay out.


7 posted on 03/03/2012 1:20:59 AM PST by chuckee
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To: chuckee

Exactly. The Copts (Egyptian Christians) are already taking it on the chin there. Why does anyone think Syria would be any different?

And further, when your enemies are busy attacking each other, why intervene? I don’t see a good guy on either side.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 1:55:47 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: U-238

The Turks are arming the revolt. This war is really the Islamists in Turkey promoting Islam while undermining an ally of Islamist Iran. A curse on both their houses.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 2:43:51 AM PST by chopperman
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To: chopperman

Do you have a link for that?


10 posted on 03/03/2012 2:45:07 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

This is all above thier paygrade. These smart a## acedemia elititsts “Im smarter than you because I went to Yale and Harvard are nothing but dumba##es with no clue. The despicable thing about this is that our sons and daughters will have to spill thier blood on the battle field in the fututre for thier reckless agenda driven utopian dream that will be our nightmare


11 posted on 03/03/2012 3:55:12 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: U-238
They are an extremely off shoot of Shia, sort of like the Druze. Most other Shia consider them heretics and therefore worse than a Christian or Jew.

she contends that arming the opposition is futile because given the regime’s firepower there is no way the opposition can win.

Pretty damn stupid remark. Of course it is not possible to arm the opposition enough for it to militarily defeat the regime, which had spent decades arming itself against Israel, the dominant military power of the region.

IF the regime's support in the military remains strong. Which is a very big IF. Even if many of the top officers are Alawite, doubtless most of the army is Sunni. Even "other ranks" are not automatons and an army can disintegrate remarkably rapidly if the soldiers lose their respect for (or fear of) of their "leaders."

12 posted on 03/03/2012 4:21:48 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: chuckee

There are instances where one can hope both sides lose. Such a notion is unique to Mid East conflicts.Stay out.


Bingo!


13 posted on 03/03/2012 4:44:12 AM PST by rbg81 (scillian's)
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To: U-238

“our intelligence agencies are so inept”!!!
You mean those intelligence agencies of ours that get tens of billions each and every year and still couldn’t see the fall of the Soviet Union?


14 posted on 03/03/2012 4:52:09 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: U-238; chopperman

I am pretty sure that the Arab League via the GCC and Qatar as the action agency has the lead. operating from Turkey. The details of the the relation between the two has not been revealed but there is close cooperation.

The action now is concluding UN formalities,dotting I’s and crossing T’s, before the final and conclusive action ending the Assad regime.

Note also that it was recently posted here that Qatar is the center of an American effort to train special forces drawn from across the GCC countries. We can be sure these forces are now on the ground inside Syria


15 posted on 03/03/2012 4:57:57 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Sherman Logan

I am confused. Why do the Shia and Sunni hate each other so much? They are both mohammedan, so what is it about how they go about their daily activities that makes them different?


16 posted on 03/03/2012 5:28:26 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: U-238

Remember a few years ago Nancy Pelosi went to Syria and met with Assad and was even photographed in her kerchief as she went to mosque with him? Those are the kind of photos that should be rolled out in campaign ads.


17 posted on 03/03/2012 5:29:11 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: ronnie raygun
These smart a## acedemia elititsts “Im smarter than you because I went to Yale and Harvard are nothing but dumba##es with no clue.

They've certainly proven your point. Unless, perhaps, their real agenda all along has been to help Osama bin Laden accomplish his goal of eliminating secular Muslim states. In that case, they're right on track.

18 posted on 03/03/2012 5:35:09 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Bigg Red
I am confused. Why do the Shia and Sunni hate each other so much? They are both mohammedan, so what is it about how they go about their daily activities that makes them different?

You may as well be asking about the filioque controversy.
19 posted on 03/03/2012 5:40:15 AM PST by aruanan
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To: ronnie raygun

Abrams is a real POS and should be removed from influence on US foreign policy! He’s just another friggin NY ex-Socialist and Harvard roommate of Steven Kelman, founder of the Young People’s Socialist League campus chapter PLUS ME expert @ the CFR, and big prick for the spread of ‘Democracy’ by the blood and treasure of the US military. These are the folks that now run the crappy Republican Party and have pushed Romney to the front.


20 posted on 03/03/2012 6:13:46 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks U-238. Elliott Abrams:
Clinton appears to argue that our intelligence agencies are so inept they cannot identify terrorists and cannot find any way at all to get arms to Syrians -- as opposed to Palestinians from Hamas or other foreigners from al-Qaeda... Second, she suggests that precisely because Assad is using tanks and artillery to attack the population, we cannot aid them because our military assistance would be too limited. They are better off dying, this argument logically holds, than fighting back. Their bravery in fighting for the past year with such limited arms is to be rewarded with the complaint that the odds are just too heavily stacked against them. Then comes the coup de grace: After saying we won't help, after saying that outside "intervention" would only lead to more violence or "civil war," after noting the disparity of arms between the citizens and the state, she demands that they rise up.
There are two actual reasons for El Zero's lack of interest -- number one, the collapse of the Assad regime would benefit Israel and hurt Iran; number two, the Islamofascist regime in Turkey doesn't want NATO intervention in Syria, because as a member of NATO, Turkey would have to choose (again) between supporting NATO and supporting fellow Islamofascists; Turkey would also be the natural best source of troops as well as the staging area. Russia's been raising its pressure on Turkey at least since Putin's Ossetian escapade, with the most recent bullying being over the offshore hydrocarbons being developed by Cyprus and Israel. Fascinating development, with Germany pushing Greece into the arms of Russia (the debt crisis), and Turkey helping, with Israel in unprecedented deals with both Greece and Cyprus.


21 posted on 03/03/2012 7:28:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Bigg Red
I am confused. Why do the Shia and Sunni hate each other so much? They are both mohammedan,...

Explain why Catholics and Protestants hated each other so much in the sixteenth-eighteenth centuries.
22 posted on 03/03/2012 7:44:45 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Cheburashka

I was not being antagonistic with my question; I truly want to understand their animosity toward each other. What is it based on, IOW, what are the major concepts that cause them to have differing belief sets and how do those differences impact the way they live their lives?


23 posted on 03/03/2012 4:42:58 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red
I was not being antagonistic with my question; I truly want to understand their animosity toward each other. What is it based on, IOW, what are the major concepts that cause them to have differing belief sets and how do those differences impact the way they live their lives?

If you seriously want to understand why they hate each other, you will have to study Moslem theology, and why the two branches are incompatible, because that is what the hatred is based on. That is not something I know, because in the end, I don't care why they hate each other, I just accept the fact they do.
24 posted on 03/03/2012 5:16:06 PM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Bigg Red

“I truly want to understand their animosity toward each other.”

...but don’t actually want to expend any effort trying to learn for yourself. It’s a facinating topic. Google it on your own. Sheesh!


25 posted on 03/04/2012 9:56:07 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558

Okay, then, Mr. Grumpypants.

Some time back, I did spend about 40 minutes trying find out some info online, but I was not successful in getting to the heart of the matter. I guess I am curious but not curious enough to read a book about it, although I am an avid reader.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 12:38:44 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: SunkenCiv
You have it backwards. Turkey is now run by Sunni Islamists allied to the Muslim Brotherhood. The opposition in Syria is composed of two groups, one of which being Muslim Brotherhood dominated in the north (ie on the Turkish border). Turkey wants the Iranian-allied Alawite-dominated Baathist regime to fall. Alawite's are a heretical Shi'ite sect viewed as non-Muslim by many Sunnis.

This is a religious war with no good sides. We should stay out. http://nycright.blogspot.com/2012/02/best-way-to-stop-iranian-nuclear-weapon.html

27 posted on 03/04/2012 12:45:35 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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