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Santorum Could Be Ineligible For 18 Ohio District Delegates -- Report
National Journal ^ | March 2, 2012 | Journal Staff with Sarah B. Boxer and Rebecca Kaplan

Posted on 03/03/2012 4:09:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

In a potentially ominous Super Tuesday setback for Rick Santorum, a campaign filing mishap in Ohio could leave him ineligible to be awarded 18 Buckeye State district delegates -- more than a quarter of the total at stake there, ABC News reported Friday.

Ohio has 66 delegates total, with 63 at stake on Tuesday. Santorum failed to qualify for any district delegates in three Ohio congressional districts representing nine delegates because he didn't turn in names there.

ABC News reported that in six other congressional districts, the former Pennsylvania senator's campaign submitted fewer names than required to be eligible for all three delegates up for grabs in each district. That would put another nine delegates in jeopardy.

Santorum spokesman Hogan Gidley responded to the report by issuing a statement that sought to depict the issue as a continuation of a controversy in Michigan. Santorum contends he and Mitt Romney should have split the delegates evenly in that state, but party officials there awarded Romney 16 and Santorum 14 in a move that the latter has decried as dirty politics and is contesting.

"The attempt by the establishment to to deceive the voters of Ohio and further their hand-picked candidate will be met with resistance on Tuesday," Gidley said. "I want to be clear -- Rick Santorum's name will appear on every ballot in the state of Ohio, and every vote cast will go towards his at-large delegate allocation.

"As it relates to individual congressional districts, it's clear we aren't the establishment hand-picked candidate, and back in December we were a small effort focused on Iowa. Now that we've won several states, obviously much has changed, and we feel confident that we will do well in both the delegate and popular vote count on Tuesday."

But a Romney spokesman seized on the report as further evidence that Santorum is a vastly inferior candidate.

"Rick Santorum has failed to get on the ballot in Virginia, has failed to file full delegate slates in Tennessee, New Hampshire and Illinois, and has failed to submit enough delegates in several Ohio congressional districts," said the spokesman, Ryan Williams, alluding to other Santorum logistical pitfalls. "The fact that he cannot execute the simple tasks that are required to win the Republican nomination proves that Rick Santorum is incapable of taking on President Obama's formidable political machine."

If he wins in a district where he failed to allocate a full slate of three delegates, Santorum would be eligible to take only the delegates he has already allocated in that district. But the unallocated delegates would not be awarded to anyone else.

"On Super Tuesday, if Sen. Santorum were to carry a district where he has not seated a full delegate slate, he will be awarded delegates where he has submitted delegate names," Ohio Republican Party spokesman Chris Maloney told The Plain Dealer of Cleveland. "And the additional delegates in that district will be unallocated."

Such a situation, The Plain Dealer said, sets up challenges -- if not from Santorum, then from political rivals such as Romney or Newt Gingrich.

The Ohio state party told the newspaper it has not faced this situation before, but it has been reviewing its bylaws and is prepared, if there is a challenge, to convene what it calls a "committee on contests."


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1 posted on 03/03/2012 4:09:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rules is rules, Ricky.


2 posted on 03/03/2012 4:16:28 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

LOL Oh my, and people are actually thinking of voting for this guy. LOL


3 posted on 03/03/2012 4:16:45 AM PST by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Voting in America is about as free and clean as voting in Cuba. America is rotting from the decay of evil. I love this Republic and this type of (you fill in the blank) hurts me to the core. We now live in a Banana Republic... or worse.

LLS


4 posted on 03/03/2012 4:18:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The article appears to be a typical attempt to manipulate. Lots of coulds, mays and mights but not a lot of facts.


5 posted on 03/03/2012 4:22:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keywords are “could be”.

It seems like anywhere they knew it would be shaky for Mitt, all these problems seem to crop up or else the rules get changed.

Yesterday it was reported there were three districts, now there “could be” eighteen.

What a scam.


6 posted on 03/03/2012 4:23:53 AM PST by dforest
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To: cripplecreek

I bet this would be seen as a terrible outrage around here if it was Newt getting ripped off.

If it is Santorum, it is all his fault.

How do they know that this problem won’t happen in Georgia, just like it did in Florida?

LOL


7 posted on 03/03/2012 4:27:25 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

As I read the Tennessee rules, the party executive committee is free to choose whomever they wish for delegate if there are no Santorum delegates to draw from (which there aren’t)....not sure about Ohio.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 4:32:04 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: dforest

I expect the GOP will grant all those states that were punished with the loss of 50% of their delegates (for pushing up the dates of their primary/caucus), to be returned (after they see how the numbers shake out for Mitt) at the convention.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 4:36:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: scrabblehack; dforest; All
Ohio delegate rules -- ( site where all states are covered)
10 posted on 03/03/2012 4:38:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: scrabblehack

I guess what I am saying is that the rules keep being changed after the fact. It seems the rules are subject to change after the vote is counted.

This is happening way to often to be a coincidence.

This was not such a problem in 2008. It seems to me that the GOP is the party without it’s act put together.

In Indiana, they tried to keep Santorum off the ballot for the same reasons. He is on the ballot now because it was determined that he did have the correct amount of signatures.

I am not thrilled about any of our choices this time, but I don’t think any of them should get ripped off.


11 posted on 03/03/2012 4:42:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

see post #11. And you are probably right if it goes to the convention.

I was saying yesterday that this whole thing is set up for Mitt. May be the best thing we will end up with is making Mitt and the GOP shake with rage that Mitt isn’t crowned early.

So they will pull out all the tricks in their bag in these races.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 4:48:35 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest
I was saying yesterday that this whole thing is set up for Mitt

If Mitt is the Republican candidate, I pray a righteous third party candidate will run.

13 posted on 03/03/2012 4:54:12 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You could substitute any name for Santorum and the whole story would have been repeated. The GOP establishment HAS decided that Romney IS the nominee. The DNC WANTS Romney. The media WANTS Romney. It’s a done deal.

The system has been and is being geared and gamed to make Romney the candidate.


14 posted on 03/03/2012 4:54:53 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You could substitute any name for Santorum and the whole story would have been repeated. The GOP establishment HAS decided that Romney IS the nominee. The DNC WANTS Romney. The media WANTS Romney. It’s a done deal.

The system has been and is being geared and gamed to make Romney the candidate.


15 posted on 03/03/2012 4:54:53 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: dforest

Sometimes I feel like the base is the “mark” in the GOP-elite “Sting.”


16 posted on 03/03/2012 4:57:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, WHICH districts? I live in Ohio and it would sure be nice to know if one of them is mine.


17 posted on 03/03/2012 4:57:55 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

Here’s another article with more information about the districts.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/03/rick_santorum_faces_bigger_ohi.html


18 posted on 03/03/2012 5:01:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dforest
"If it is Santorum, it is all his fault."

I am sure there is skulduggery afoot, but you would think that the senior staff of any political campaign knows that their candidate cannot win if they do not fullfill the requirements to be listed on the ballot. Then again, during the early stages of the campaign, Santorum and Newt were marginal candidates at best and really did not have the money, organization, or expectations to have the need to be on the ballot in all primary states.

19 posted on 03/03/2012 5:03:12 AM PST by buckalfa (Confused and Bewildered With a Glass Half Empty)
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To: DouglasKC

Remember when McCain was challenging Bush for the nomination and all at once he shut up and backed off?

He was probably promised that 2008 was his turn.

In 2008 Romney was not getting out because he had the money to keep going.

All at once he backed out and supported McCain.

He was probably promised the 2012 nod. Not to mention that the GOP knew Obama or Hillary was going to win in 2008. So they probably told Mitt his chances would also be better in 2012 to win.

Once again. too many coincidences here to think this isn’t a set up.


20 posted on 03/03/2012 5:05:04 AM PST by dforest
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To: buckalfa
.....Then again, during the early stages of the campaign, Santorum and Newt were marginal candidates at best and really did not have the money, organization, or expectations to have the need to be on the ballot in all primary states.

But Romney, Paul and Gingrich all have full slates. OHIO is a prize not to be taken lightly.

Meanwhile in Georgia: In a tough call, Newt Gingrich gets my vote

21 posted on 03/03/2012 5:07:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What we really need is for all of our VA Freepers to vote for PAUL!

Still trying to figure out the TN delegate problem for Santorum. I found this interesting story, but it is very convoluted.
http://tennesseeticket.com/2012/02/27/how-to-pick-delegates-for-santorum-in-tennessee/

So... VA, OH, TN, all with ballot or delegate problems. We know that Santorum was able to get on the ballot in IN but the question is, are there ANY OTHER states out there that hold this kind of problem for Santorum or Gingrich?


22 posted on 03/03/2012 5:17:36 AM PST by georgiagirl_pam (STEP ONE: SECURE YOUR DOOR (gives you more time to get your gun!) mysafedoor.com)
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To: dforest
He was probably promised the 2012 nod. Not to mention that the GOP knew Obama or Hillary was going to win in 2008. So they probably told Mitt his chances would also be better in 2012 to win. Once again. too many coincidences here to think this isn’t a set up.

For sure. Romney has no chance of winning against Obama. Zero. Zip. Nil.

If he does somehow win then nothing will really change. There will be not enough principles conservatives in Congress do change anything. Romney won't be like Obama and just magically mandate things.

Conservatives should take a long view of this and realize that the enemy is the political system. It virtually guarantees that power will be split forever among Democrats and Republicans with Democrats the majority. Society is geared to churn out liberal democrats.

A real coalition has to be built with the goal of peaceful destruction of the political system in place. That shouldn't be hard to do. Communists thought about this about a hundred years ago here in the US and now they've almost completed it. It's too late in the game to do anything about it.

23 posted on 03/03/2012 5:18:31 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It will be interesting to see the reaction if Santorum gets teh most votes and Romney walks with the most delegates.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 5:22:03 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: georgiagirl_pam

There may be, but nobody will know until it is determined what Mitt may need for proper boost. LOL


25 posted on 03/03/2012 5:23:04 AM PST by dforest
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To: DouglasKC

You are right. The only thing that could be done is start another party. That takes time and it isn’t going to happen for 2012. Things like this take patience and years.

We would also have to groom really good candidates that haven’t been tainted by the GOP and their personal past.


26 posted on 03/03/2012 5:26:09 AM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I voted Newt in the SC primary, but would support Santorum if he were the nominee. However, like others on this thread have said, the GOP-E fix is in for Romney. As Stalin is purported to have said: elections are decided not by the voters but by those who count the votes.
27 posted on 03/03/2012 5:26:18 AM PST by buckalfa (Confused and Bewildered With a Glass Half Empty)
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To: georgiagirl_pam

Here is an old article (I don’t know if it will give you more information or make it more confusing).

http://www.capitalfreepress.com/4580-gingrich-santorum-missing-delegates-ballot-access/


28 posted on 03/03/2012 5:27:02 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Across the board, this is IMO the worst example of a Presidential primary I`ve ever seen. The one “success” each has had is making the others unelectable.


29 posted on 03/03/2012 5:27:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: dforest

Poor Ricky. But ... Newt blew it too — in Virginia! Incompetence in understanding the process in EVERY State and district is what will give the nomination to Romney.


30 posted on 03/03/2012 5:30:47 AM PST by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: cripplecreek

That is true but there is so much corruption in the voting system... we read about the ones that get caught... but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

LLS


31 posted on 03/03/2012 5:36:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: ScottinVA
Across the board, this is IMO the worst example of a Presidential primary I`ve ever seen. .....

Something I've told phone bank callers from the Republican Party requesting $$$. I tell them I'm giving to individual candidates and to the Republican Governors' Association but NOT to the GOP.

32 posted on 03/03/2012 5:38:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: LibLieSlayer

Personally I don’t think the GOP intends to win the white house this time anyway. Too many races get manipulated in favor of Romney and the GOP has to know he won’t win the general election.


33 posted on 03/03/2012 5:44:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: svxdave

I don’t think Newt or Rick are incompetent. Shame you do.

The rules keep changing and both have been cheated.

The problem for Newt and Rick from the start was money and a ground game.

But we are finding out that it all may not matter because these little things keep happening to keep them down.


34 posted on 03/03/2012 5:45:20 AM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WoW...and these guys (Newt and Rick) aren’t on the ballot in Virginia because of their own incompetence.

People in Ohio ought to vote for the guy who at least shows you the respect that at least he is prepared to run for President.
Thats like having one job and three people show up and only one is wearing a hard hat that is required.I’m hiring the guy who came prepared.I’m voting for Mitt at least he came prepared to work.


35 posted on 03/03/2012 6:04:46 AM PST by TShaunK
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To: A. Morgan

I hope everyone votes for Santorum anyway. It says if he wins in districts that he wins then NOBODY gets the delegates. That is why Romney is upset. haha. Santorum is working to ensure that Romney does not take the state of Ohio. Look folks. In Ohio, it is either Santorum or Romney and the last thing I want is Romney getting the delegates so if Santorum takes the delegates even if he doesn’t get credit for them than I am glad.


36 posted on 03/03/2012 6:08:54 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: TShaunK

A true Mittbot has spoken.

How come Mitt has to keep correcting all the verbal mistakes he makes?

Ha he a problem understanding questions asked to him? Or is it or the cluelessness of his answers?

I mean, I know it is hard being on sides of all issues, but really.


37 posted on 03/03/2012 6:12:33 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

Palinistas were organized in every state on her behalf, just waiting for the official word to get the necessary signatures and file the paperwork.............and she wasn’t even an official candidate!

How do these announced candidate idiots not know the rules and why aren’t they organized in advance?

Say what you want about the dems, but they know the rules (and how to get around them)
We sit there and wait, and then get surprised when something goes wrong.
Non one anticipates problems?


38 posted on 03/03/2012 6:14:22 AM PST by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: TShaunK

Are you insane? You are voting for Romney because he has been running for 4 years and has the entire GOP and establishment media on his side. You are crazy. Sorry but you are. He is a liberal. I will NOT vote for Romney even in the general. I will write in Sarah, Newt, Cain, or Santorum (not sure which yet), but one of those 4 will get my write in if Newt or Santorum do not get the nomination. I will NEVER vote for Romney. Shame on you for voting for a jerk like Romney.


39 posted on 03/03/2012 6:16:10 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: TShaunK; Oynx

Romney supporter here! Disgusting.


40 posted on 03/03/2012 6:17:47 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe he can talk his way out of this one......That’s what he seems to do the most of.


41 posted on 03/03/2012 6:17:47 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: sillsfan

I don’t think there was much organization for a candidate that wasn’t planning on running.

It was a lack of organization that was a tip that she wasn’t going to run.

She was probably right to know that it was Romney’s turn and that it would be a waste of time and effort to run.

The deck was stacked since 2008. We are seeing that now.


42 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:25 AM PST by dforest
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I don’t think he can talk his way out of this one. And if he can’t, pitching a fit will not win converts. Since this is big political news in Ohio, what would you do as a potential Santorum voter going to the polls knowing if Santorum won in your district (where he doesn’t have a full slate or no delegates) your vote will not count? If I were in that pickle, I’d have to vote for Newt instead.

__________________________________________

......”Ohio has 16 congressional districts, or will for purposes of this election. (It now has 18 but will lose two at the end of 2012.) Romney, Gingrich and Ron Paul have slates of three delegates in each. But here is how Santorum’s slates shake out:

District 1: 3 delegates

District 2: 3 delegates

District 3: 2 delegates

District 4: 1 delegate

District 5: 3 delegates

District 6: 0 delegates

District 7: 3 delegates

District 8: 2 delegates

District 9: 0 delegates

District 10: 1 delegate

District 11: 3 delegates

District 12: 2 delegates

District 13: 0 delegates

District 14: 3 delegates

District 15: 3 delegates

District 16: 1 delegate

This could get interesting, and difficult, for Santorum because his failure includes districts where he might otherwise run well”......

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/03/rick_santorum_faces_bigger_ohi.html


43 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: A. Morgan

Neither Santorum or Gingrich are on the ballot in VA, which is part of Super Tuesday. Newt wasn’t on the ballot in Missouri. Santorum isn’t on the ballot in DC.


44 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:33 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree that the fix is in for Romney and it’s disgusting.
The GOP deserves what it gets for not recruiting better candidates.

This is a lose/lose sitution. If Bam wins, we get ...four more years of an unfettered socialism regime bent on destroying our freedoms and our country. If Romney wins, we get ...a flip flopping, lying, power hungry, unlikable, mean spirited, out of touch “moderate” who may not destroy the country but would govern like the liberal that he is, expand government programs and make the Tea Party and the will of We The People insignificant.

I agree with those who say that if Mitt is nominated, Obama will win another term. This whole thing is a nightmare.

My intention is to concentrate on keeping the House and taking the Senate..no funding to the GOP and to make direct donations and other support to the Conservative candidates. If we have both houses come November, the powers of the executive office will be somewhat limited.

As for the Supremes and the likely retirement of at least two justices, Valerie will once again choose feminists like Kagen and Sotomayor to succeed them. If that happens, God help us all.


45 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:37 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Republican Governors Assn will be shilling for Romney if he is the nominee.


46 posted on 03/03/2012 6:27:07 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: TShaunK

Yay! Maybe I can get an honest answer as you seem to be an upfront Romney supporter - Was ready for work Mitt for or against the Blunt Amendment? The answers I have seen attributed to him online have been more than a little ambivalent : /

Thanks in advance, and may God guide our course.
Tatt


47 posted on 03/03/2012 6:29:30 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I would not call it his failure. This is a set up because they knew he might run well in those districts.


48 posted on 03/03/2012 6:29:47 AM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Looks like Ricky was just a little slow on the uptake of getting his act together to get on
the ballot where other candidates were able to make the deadline.

CLICK
.....Mitt Romney, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich — each filed full slates in all of
Ohio’s districts as did two candidates who are no longer in the race, Rick Perry
and Jon Huntsman.....

49 posted on 03/03/2012 6:32:36 AM PST by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Mountain Mary
The Republican Governors Assn will be shilling for Romney if he is the nominee.

In 2010 some state houses flipped, hundreds of seats became Republican. Rick Perry was the Chair for the RGA (twice) and broke fundraising records. There are many good Republican governors who have put Congress to shame. If GOP leaders on the Hill want to learn how to stand strong, they need to emulate our strong conservative governors.

50 posted on 03/03/2012 6:33:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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