Skip to comments.Hating Republicans In Southern California
Posted on 03/03/2012 5:59:02 AM PST by Kaslin
We are not the same. I equate Republicans political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. Theyre neither kind nor empathetic. The preceding words are a direct quote, written by Diana Wagman, a novelist, in an Op-Ed piece she penned for the Los Angeles Times, on February 21, 2012. Ms. Wagman, who describes herself and her husband as, both bleeding heart liberals, related her tale of an inadvertent discovery of the political views of the couple who own a vacation cabin across the street from the Wagmans own spread, in the Sierra Nevada, just outside of Fresno, California. Ms. Wagman described her shock when, after an evening spent playing poker and sipping scotch, she found, to her horror, that the aforementioned couple across the street were conservative-Tea Partying Republicans. Your humble Townhall correspondent assumed that the rest of this piece would become a rather commonplace cant judge a book by its cover, missive, but at that point it spun off in exactly the opposite direction.
Ms. Wagman informed her readers that her across-the-street acquaintances were the perfect neighbors. They were pleasant, helpful, and friendly. As Ms. Wagman put it, They are a lovely family: husband, wife, and four smart, funny, polite children. I was sure they were Democrats. They were also an interracial family, with an African-American mother and a White father.
The trouble began when the Wagmans invited their new friends in for a final drink after the annual Camp Sierra Association poker game. The friends announced that they were members of the Tea Party, and for good measure, they added that the Tea Party was not racist because, they, an interracial couple, had been eagerly welcomed and accepted by their Tea Party compatriots. In Wagmans own words, I was shouting, his wife was trying to calm him down, my husband was trying to calm me down, and our other friends-all Democrats- were trying to keep everybody from breaking the furniture.
Ms. Wagman goes on to describe the downward spiral of the evening. She states that they argued about healthcare, welfare, Obamas religion and citizenship, and the war on terror. Things soon descended to name-calling; He called me a spoiled idiot and worse. I called him selfish, shortsighted and worse. It was awful, and it went on until after 3 AM.
It is sad when friends sometimes fall out over politics, but it does happen. Thomas Sowell may have been correct in the late 1980s when he argued that political bickering masked deep divisions of a cultural and sociological nature, and that these divisions could never really be bridged. Be that as it may, in this particular case apologies were proffered, but not really accepted. The next morning, they knocked on our door and we apologized to each other and laughed sheepishly But my feelings about them are changed. I cannot respect them as I did before I dont want to be friends with someone who is a member of the Tea Party, or is a Newt Gingrich Republican. We are not the same. I equate their political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. I think they are neither kind nor empathetic.
Ms. Wagman goes on to express her wish for conservatives: If only they would all go live in Gingrichs moon colony. She then rattles off a listing of her certified liberal views and argues that they seem so logical to me these are no-brainers to me, and it kills me that my neighbor disagrees. She idly wonders if any number of bitter misfortunes, such as having a son killed in Afghanistan, a daughter turning up pregnant, or a sister announcing that she was a lesbian would change her neighbors opinions. She finishes her article by stating, Next time I drive to our cabin, Im going to make sure I take everything I could possibly need. I dont want to ask my neighbors for help. I hope its their weekend to stay home.
Let us hope that Ms. Wagman is speaking for herself, and does not represent the views and attitudes of the modern American liberal. It seems quite bigoted, small-minded and petulant to argue that simply discovering that the neighbors are anti-Obama Tea Partiers precludes the possibility of friendship, or even cordiality between their respective families. This is pretty incendiary stuff. Whatever became of the Hubert Humphrey School of Happy Warrior type liberalism?
The material point in this column is quite simple. Diana Wagman is likely the type of liberal who bemoans the polarized nature of our politics, the divisive state of our culture, and the vanishing of civility from our public discourse. Yet, in her Op-Ed piece she freely admits that she is a liberal and that she essentially hates Republicans because they are conservatives. Certainly Ms. Wagman would argue that Rush Limbaugh should be censored, that Ann Coulter is a national disgrace, and that George W. Bush was the worst President in American history. She does not consider these views over the top. On the contrary they seem so logical to her. (Perhaps these attitudes represent the worldview of regular readers of the Los Angeles Times.) It goes without saying that she considers hating conservatives to be quite logical, too. If Ms. Wagman really wants to pin the polarizing and divisive tails on the political donkey she can start with herself.
It isn't just a fallacy; with them it's a political tool.
Gays are constantly trying to ambush conservatives by outing family members or close longtime associates -- they noticed that Barry Goldwater changed his views after he discovered that a family member was gay. They have ambushed Rep. Bob Dornan, the late Rev. Jerry Falwell (over whose sudden death, like Andrew Breitbart's, they gloated openly), Newt Gingrich and others in this way; and they entreated Mary Cheney to out herself publicly precisely in order to corner Dick Cheney and extort some sort of statement from him and wife Lynn that the GLPC/HRC/Homomiasma could use politically.
Who was that?
You should have told him what Lee Iacocca said one time when he was firing an enfant terrible engineering manager at Chrysler. A defender said the guy was an engineering genius, he was just terrible with people. Retorted Iacocca, "Well, that's too bad, because that's all we've got around here."
Absolutely you were allowed to push back. Liberals have become too accustomed to having their say and keeping some people quiet in their fundamental disagreements by calling them “racists” or “ill informed” etc. etc. They don’t tend to take it well when we meet their rhetoric with fact..or their rabid dogma with firm convictions based on these truths..” all men are created equal and endowed by their creator ( not government) with certain unalienable ( this means that no one..no one can take them from us) Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
Ah, so she's a master of the form in autobiography, is she? And doing multiple books on the same subject, like _resident Barky. Wonderful.
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I laughed when she told me that. She didn’t take that well. O’well..:)
He was a science-fiction writer who wrote under the name of Philip H. High. As stories go they are very dated by today’s standards. But I really appreciate the way he saw society breaking down around him.
Amazon carries them in Kindle format. Invader on my Back and Butterfly planet are both good examples of the breakdown into these three factions.
"The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things -- war and hunger and date rape -- liberals testify to their own terrific goodness.
More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things. It's a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you don't have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal.'
-- P. J. O'Rourke
by Charles Krauthammer
I have not read any of her books.
If I somehow came into possession (certainly not by purchase!) of one or more of them, I’d publicly burn them and hope that would incite a riot among her LIEberal womyn whacko FRiends!
PS After all, her LIEberal womyn whacko FRiends are about as insane as the Afghanistanis who rioted!
Thanks for your kind reply.
Perhaps I will give it a once-over and post it as its own thread.
I wish that would happen to me.
Scratch the surface of any liberal, and you will find a fascist.
I think you will be pleased at the FReeper response to it.
You probably already know this being a teacher, but others don't. Policy Sci 101. The definition of politics is who gets what, when, and how. In other words. Politics is about power.
It's frankly time that conservatives and libertarians understand not just the what part, but the how part. It's not civil, except when civility is used as a tool.
No surprise there.
The Democrat party was the Party of Slavery™ at its founding 200 years ago; it remains the Party of Slavery™ today.
I once ran across an expression to the effect of “Liberals form their facts based on feelings; conservatives form their feelings based on facts.”
What a smarmy know-it-all smug smirk on her face. She dresses like a derelict. She has hair that is wild and out of control, kind of like her goofy brain, and its “form” defies any definition of style. I would be embarrassed to be seen with her anywhere in public.
That's an excellent summary!
A good assessment. Most liberals lie like they were born to it.
Once I find out someone is a Democrat, liberal, progressive - whatever they call themselves, I immediately stop talking to them. It is a waste of valuable time.
I’ve certainly seen this happen, but I wish to report that I’ve become warm friends with a rather liberal couple in my town. I get together weekly with the husband and play guitar every week. The wife is quite a bit more liberal. We all met at a “summer jazz camp” event held at the local middle school. We obviously have more than just politics to talk about, eg; music. So maybe that is an element. I don’t sense that they are specifically hostile to Conservative ideas, but I suspect they really have not been exposed to them.
I am not intimidated about expressing my views, but I do not shotgun them and I don’t broaden them out to include “everything”. She: thought the CA high-speed rail project would be “a nice thing to have for when I need to go to Sacramento”. Me: “I take a conservative view on these giant projects. The cost estimates are in general one third of the ending cost, and vast amounts of the money are siphoned off in all manner of ways that can’t be traced. Look at he Bay Bridge project, the thing is something like SIX TIMES over budget. In addition, the number of passenger rail lines in the ENTIRE WORLD that make money (or simply break even) without continuing taxpayer subsidy you can count on two hands.”
And then I shut up, I don’t broaden out nor generalize “all liberals....”
PPS Please ping me to the thread when you do.
Lying is learned behavior, and it is what they do best.
That is why I call them “LIEberals.”
I’m incapable of making liberal friends today. I see all liberals as either stupid, delusional, insane, or evil.
I see all liberals as destructive of my freedom and destructive or our Constitutional republic, whatever the reason.
I know a liberal who was a close friend from the 5th grade onward. We are now in our mid 50s. The relationship was severely strained through the Clinton administration and with Obama, I don’t really consider him a friend anymore.
He and his wife are flaming liberals and are incapable of listening to a single argument against the entire liberal agenda. The know global warming will burn up the planet. They know dams must be destroyed and coal plants must be closed down. They know that every species must be saved no matter the cost. They hate corporations and bad mouth the military. They are anti-religion. I can go right down the line.
They are both extremely intelligent but they have liberal shielding that makes it impossible to receive any information contrary to their preconceived opinions and are an echo chamber as are most liberal couples.
He used to be my best friend but I can’t help knowing his votes for Clinton and Obama and Boxer and Feinstein are contributing to the destruction of America, our freedom, and our rights. How do I maintain a friendship with traitors to my country?
They aren’t stupid. They are smarter than I.
They are not evil. They are compassionate and want the best for people and mother earth, and the sun god and the sky and the whales.
They are not insane. They are rational.
But they are completely delusional with religious faith in their core liberal beliefs, causes, institutions and politicians.
I have no use for them.
And this was my best friend for 25 years before I became a conservative around 1995.
As much as he disgusts me with his delusional support of all things socialist, how could I ever become new friends with a like liberal traitor.
I detest them all. If the nation was becoming more conservative, then I would pity them and tolerate them in their failed delusion. But they are winning the culture war, destroying my freedom, stripping me of my rights, and shoving the nation into hard socialism.
I have no love and no use and no tolerance for such people, and I really don’t give a damn the reason for their actions, be it evil, stupidity, insanity or delusion.
They are all equal in promoting a hard socialists outcome and creating a future of oppression for generations of coming Americans. I don’t care how innocent they are or well intended. Traitors and scumbags all.
I have heard that it is possible for a conservative republican to be friends with a liberal democrat.
It is no longer possible. In most cases, once the leftist even suspects the other person is a conservative, the hate becomes manifest. I left Minnesota because of that. Most notable up there is the hate directed toward Texas. “Bush is a retard, Bush is from Texas, all Texans are retards.” How’s that for leftist logic.
I prefer to use the term leftist than liberal. The liberals have mostly died off (Scoop Jackson, my having been a former Henry Jackson Democrat) or drank the Kool-Aid to be “socially acceptable.” The left is single-mindedly driven by destruction, hate, and fascistic control (there are no real differences between fascism and Marxism, any differences are superficial shadings).
All liberals are enabling the hard socialists in destroying our constitutional republic.
Therefore, all liberals are traitors.
Therefore, I have no use for liberals.
I have no liberal friends.
I don’t befriend traitors and I’m really not interested in why they are traitors, whether it is misplaced compassion or if it is over-jealous good intentions.
I don’t befriend traitors and I have no liberal friends.
ACLU member - that says it all. She is to the left of Pelosi.
I dont want to be friends with someone who is a member of the Tea Party, or is a Newt Gingrich Republican. We are not the same. I equate their political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. I think they are neither kind nor empathetic.
Yep. They all think this, and they never investigate. In fact, this woman had the proof all that was untrue right in front of her, and she chose to dismiss reality in order to — dare I? — bitterly cling to the mainstream liberal view.
Conservatives are all racists, bigots, and homophobes. No matter what. They are all rich and want to eat the poor.
Never does this b*tch think that perhaps her phony do-gooder policies actually hurt the poor. Never does she think her worship of Obama is racially patronizing. Never does she think that all ethnic and religious groups deserve fairness and compassion, including whites and Christians. Nope, SHE is good and they are bad.
And she says her views are from logic?? They are not. They are the cheapest, easiest, least intelligent views to be had. You get them off the freaking tv. You are mocked if you don’t believe them. It takes no strength to be a liberal and suck down all the pap. It takes courage and strength of character just to EXIST as a conservative in LA.
You crack me up!!
I’ve been told many times that I am “too smart to be a conservative.”
Sheesh, prejudiced much? Some of the smartest people in the world are conservative.
That is my world. Most people I spend time with, family and acquaintances, are liberal. I love being around a fellow conservative. It must be how a closeted gay guy feels finding Santa Monica boulevard for the first time.
There is no way in hell Ronald Reagan would win California office with the current California voting demographic today. Not even dog catcher. No way in hell.
The conservative electorate that elected Reagan governor and elected him president no longer exists, likely never to return. Hispanics will own the CA voting demographic after 2050 for a century or more.
I am sure her idea of a ‘super cheap’ grocery store is Trader Joe’s which advertises in a way that reinforces the few that people who make it to their store are smarter than anyone else. Their prices tend to be higher than my local Walmart, so I get there once every two weeks or so, mostly to take the kids to get their supplemental homeschooling books at the local Barnes and Nobel.
There is one in a fashionable seaside community that is 25 feet away from a laboratory with walls that are two feet thick and filled with Barium to absorb radiation, permitting certain kinds of unusual experiments. I often chuckle that the clientele of that store would be very offended if they knew what went on a few feet away.
When I lived in Texas, my interracial family was no big deal to the local Republicans. The local Democrats were offended, and tried to get tickets written for our lawn. The local Libertarians (I lived in Ron Paul’s district) wouldn’t serve us when we went to their functions.
>>It would seem that Diana Wagman is afraid of contrasting views.
That is a huge issue in the country right now, perhaps the biggest one in the Left/Right divide we see.
On the Right, we can’t help but see the Left’s views daily due to the dominant media culture. Here at FR, we look at and dissect those views constantly. This causes much ongoing examination of personal beliefs.
On the Left, it is entirely possible to live in a bubble created by the dominant media culture and never have to examine your views, until something enters your bubble, as in this story.
The Fourth Estate is a very, very large part of our problems in our country today.
Very good point. You combine that with the history of the 20th Century, and you have a compelling reason why Conservatives tend to own sport utility rifles and ammunition. Personally, I won’t be getting on the boxcar to the nice re-education camp.
Thanks for the reminder that the first Sunday of the month is clean you guns day...
I wont be getting on the boxcar to the nice re-education camp.
Yea, every time I hear a liberal tell me we need high speed rail...
My beliefs are more important than the truth! Its all about believing themselves to be superior.
That statement also reveals the truth of the human condition. We all want to be God and modify reality to what we wish it to be! True conservatives recognize that impulse in themselves and work against it often thru adherence to a faith and deeper walk with the True God. Most liberals simply give in to that impulse!
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
To a liberal, it's not a lie if you convince yourself you believed it at the time you said it.
“Ive been told many times that I am too smart to be a conservative. “
I’ve heard that a time or two as well.
My answer is “Fredo Corleone was ‘smart’ too. Look where that got him.”
"Look mommy, I can use my cannoli for a flashlight!"
“This is the only way that I can understand and accept the fact that so many liberals walk among us, and are so content in their irrational views of reality.”
Ayn Rand explained it very well decades ago and she made a very good case that leftism is indeed a form of religion based purely on faith in “received wisdom” and not concerned with logic or reason in any way. Anyone who seems to support the leftist line but is open to reasonable argument against it is like a “Christian” who gives lip service to the religion but does not really practice it. They never were really convinced in the first place. Some will go along with the left to get along just as some will go to church to make business contacts while ignoring the actual teachings of the church. Those who are “true believers” in leftism are far less open to other viewpoints than most true believers in Christianity. You won’t find many in the Christian church who would call for the slaughter of those who don’t believe but you will find leftists who call for the death of conservatives. I think this is because somewhere deep inside they know they are talking insanity and if they ever admit it to themselves they fall apart. But Rand explains it far better than I am able to. The shortest explanation is that yes, liberalism really IS a mental disorder.
Dana Wagman is a typical left wing idiot: total bigot and a facist to boot.