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Hating Republicans In Southern California
Townhall.com ^ | March 3, 2012 | Brian Birdnow

Posted on 03/03/2012 5:59:02 AM PST by Kaslin

“We are not the same. I equate Republicans’ political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. They’re neither kind nor empathetic.” The preceding words are a direct quote, written by Diana Wagman, a novelist, in an Op-Ed piece she penned for the Los Angeles Times, on February 21, 2012. Ms. Wagman, who describes herself and her husband as, “…both bleeding heart liberals”, related her tale of an inadvertent discovery of the political views of the couple who own a vacation cabin across the street from the Wagman’s own spread, in the Sierra Nevada, just outside of Fresno, California. Ms. Wagman described her shock when, after an evening spent playing poker and sipping scotch, she found, to her horror, that the aforementioned couple across the street were conservative-Tea Partying Republicans. Your humble Townhall correspondent assumed that the rest of this piece would become a rather commonplace “can’t judge a book by its cover”, missive, but at that point it spun off in exactly the opposite direction.

Ms. Wagman informed her readers that her across-the-street acquaintances were the perfect neighbors. They were pleasant, helpful, and friendly. As Ms. Wagman put it, “They are a lovely family: husband, wife, and four smart, funny, polite children. I was sure they were Democrats.” They were also an interracial family, with an African-American mother and a White father.

The trouble began when the Wagmans invited their new friends in for a final drink after the annual Camp Sierra Association poker game. The friends announced that they were members of the Tea Party, and for good measure, they added that the Tea Party was not racist because, they, an interracial couple, had been eagerly welcomed and accepted by their Tea Party compatriots. In Wagman’s own words, “…I was shouting, his wife was trying to calm him down, my husband was trying to calm me down, and our other friends-all Democrats- were trying to keep everybody from breaking the furniture.”

Ms. Wagman goes on to describe the downward spiral of the evening. She states that they argued about healthcare, welfare, Obama’s religion and citizenship, and the war on terror. Things soon descended to name-calling; “He called me a spoiled idiot and worse. I called him selfish, shortsighted and worse. It was awful, and it went on until after 3 AM.”

It is sad when friends sometimes fall out over politics, but it does happen. Thomas Sowell may have been correct in the late 1980s when he argued that political bickering masked deep divisions of a cultural and sociological nature, and that these divisions could never really be bridged. Be that as it may, in this particular case apologies were proffered, but not really accepted. “The next morning, they knocked on our door and we apologized to each other and laughed sheepishly…But my feelings about them are changed. I cannot respect them as I did before…I don’t want to be friends with someone who is a member of the Tea Party, or is a Newt Gingrich Republican. We are not the same. I equate their political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. I think they are neither kind nor empathetic.”

Ms. Wagman goes on to express her wish for conservatives: “If only they would all go live in Gingrich’s moon colony.” She then rattles off a listing of her certified liberal views and argues that they “…seem so logical to me…these are no-brainers to me, and it kills me that my neighbor disagrees.” She idly wonders if any number of bitter misfortunes, such as having a son killed in Afghanistan, a daughter turning up pregnant, or a sister announcing that she was a lesbian would change her neighbor’s opinions. She finishes her article by stating, “Next time I drive to our cabin, I’m going to make sure I take everything I could possibly need. I don’t want to ask my neighbors for help. I hope it’s their weekend to stay home.”

Let us hope that Ms. Wagman is speaking for herself, and does not represent the views and attitudes of the modern American liberal. It seems quite bigoted, small-minded and petulant to argue that simply discovering that the neighbors are anti-Obama Tea Partiers precludes the possibility of friendship, or even cordiality between their respective families. This is pretty incendiary stuff. Whatever became of the Hubert Humphrey School of “Happy Warrior” type liberalism?

The material point in this column is quite simple. Diana Wagman is likely the type of liberal who bemoans the polarized nature of our politics, the divisive state of our culture, and the vanishing of civility from our public discourse. Yet, in her Op-Ed piece she freely admits that she is a liberal and that she essentially hates Republicans because they are conservatives. Certainly Ms. Wagman would argue that Rush Limbaugh should be censored, that Ann Coulter is a national disgrace, and that George W. Bush was the worst President in American history. She does not consider these views over the top. On the contrary “they seem so logical” to her. (Perhaps these attitudes represent the worldview of regular readers of the Los Angeles Times.) It goes without saying that she considers hating conservatives to be quite logical, too. If Ms. Wagman really wants to pin the “polarizing” and “divisive” tails on the political donkey she can start with herself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
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1 posted on 03/03/2012 5:59:03 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“I equate Republicans’ political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism.”

Has she noticed the narcissistic psychopath inhabiting the White House?


2 posted on 03/03/2012 6:06:48 AM PST by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Kaslin

3 posted on 03/03/2012 6:09:48 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: dljordan
This kook is a writer. My guess is that the whole story was MADE UP. Makes for interesting reading.
4 posted on 03/03/2012 6:11:58 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Kaslin
It was awful, and it went on until after 3 AM

And who's fault is that? Couldn't walk away from the free booze? She was at their cabin.

5 posted on 03/03/2012 6:12:51 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: ladyvet
Opps, sorry wrong cabin. I guess she should have thrown them out then.
6 posted on 03/03/2012 6:14:28 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Kaslin
You can never use logic and reason when discussing politics with a lefty.

When her neighbors, an inter-racial couple, tell her that the TEA party is not bigoted because they belong, she chooses her own twisted views rather than the facts that are in front of her.

Might as well stop right there, no logic or proof will work because her liberal views are her religion and we all know that religion requires only one thing, absolute FAITH and BELIEF, end of story.

As a Catholic, it is not possible for me to explain Virgin Birth, yet I believe it, nutz, crazy, insane or just part of my religion?

This is the only way that I can understand and accept the fact that so many liberals walk among us, and are so content in their irrational views of reality.

7 posted on 03/03/2012 6:15:31 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Kaslin

Limousine liberal Wagman can’t find some peace at her Sierra Nevada retreat? Because her tea-party neighbors have suddenly rented some of the (widely) available space in her head? Boo f*cking hoo ...


8 posted on 03/03/2012 6:16:10 AM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: Kaslin

The bottom line is that Mr. Sowell is quite right. There is such a cultural and sociological divide between liberals and conservatives that it is probable that their brains are hardwired differently and there will never be a reasonable consensus achieved. But the good lady should understand that as a conservative, I want nothing more than the most superficial relationship with liberal colleagues or neighbors. Simply do not trust them. Anyone who can alter their conscience to acquiesce to the wholesale killing of innocent human life is quite capable of any betrayal or atrocity. Kindly stay away from me.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 6:18:38 AM PST by allendale
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To: dljordan

3AM?

I wonder what it was they were drinking?


10 posted on 03/03/2012 6:20:45 AM PST by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: dljordan

She probably agrees with Obama that this ‘movement’ is like Mandela and Gandhi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QrmQBcfu0s

Compare two groups
One believes in self governance and freedom, understands human nature.
The other believes in government control.*
*”The left, after all, is about the pretense of planning, power and control. It’s about the belief that man — political man — can define and control the world and can appoint himself the final authority to determine what is fair and then mete out justice.” Star Parker


11 posted on 03/03/2012 6:21:28 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Kaslin

She is the poster child for the phrase, “Liberalism is a Mental Disease”.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 6:22:28 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Kaslin
Ms. Wagman goes on to express her wish for conservatives: “If only they would all go live in Gingrich’s moon colony.”

If we did they would hunt us down, telll us how to live, call us names and demand we send tax money back to earth to pay for their French ticklers, abortions and algae powered Volts.


13 posted on 03/03/2012 6:23:18 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: BillyBonebrake

“Next time I drive to our cabin, I’m going to make sure I take everything I could possibly need. I don’t want to ask my neighbors for help. I hope it’s their weekend to stay home.”

Sounds like a guilt complex to me. She is afraid they will continue to be cordial, patriotic, and American. What response would the neighbors receive if they came to ask for something? Door in the face I bet. So much for civility and tolerance on the part of liberals.


14 posted on 03/03/2012 6:24:50 AM PST by taterjay
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To: dljordan

I doubt it, because she is ignorant and clueless like all liberals


15 posted on 03/03/2012 6:26:14 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

After arriving in California some time ago, I was told that the thing which makes California different (intended to be a description of how California is supposed to be better) is the following:

In most places, nothing goes, and everything matters. People are busybodies, and try to worry too much about what others think.

In Cali, the contrast being, that here it’s more like Shania Twain sang so wonderfully:

“that don’t impress me much”.

Nobody really gives a * whether you’re driving a BMW, or what you do. Someone else has more, drives a cooler car, or knows so-and-so.

Big woop.

Now all that’s changed. The left now has morphed into the snooping neighbor, peering through the curtains and being busybodies.

I think that’s what is destroying California. Without question there was once a sort of perfect combination of libertarian free-wheeling inventiveness, and defiant independence to Californians. Especially defiance.

Now it’s become the opposite. Pod people rule Cali.

A leftist, gray bog of nastiness, hating those who do not adhere to the marxist orthodoxy.

Liberals do not recognize, they have destroyed the very freedom to “live and let live” which once characterized the state.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 6:27:44 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Kaslin
Why would anyone want to associate with the useful idiots of the Left? They are criminals, traitors and they spit in the face of God and Christ. They are destined for the fires of hell if they don't repent and change from their evil ways. Pray for them. . but don't play with them.

I'm not feeling so charitable this morning (waiting for coffee).

17 posted on 03/03/2012 6:28:21 AM PST by McBuff
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To: Kaslin

During the late 80’s early 90’s, my husband & I lived in Ojai CA in Ventura County. We drove north to visit my brother in Fresno. Geographic confusion in title.


18 posted on 03/03/2012 6:29:50 AM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: Kaslin

“We are not the same. I equate Republicans’ political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. They’re neither kind nor empathetic.”

And I equate Democrats’ political views with defining kindness as forcing others to do their will for the benefit of those who refuse to provide for themselves, and empathy as enabling the weak to indulge in their character flaws.

Not a whole lot of common ground there.


19 posted on 03/03/2012 6:30:09 AM PST by ngat
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To: Kaslin
She idly wonders if any number of bitter misfortunes, such as having a son killed in Afghanistan, a daughter turning up pregnant, or a sister announcing that she was a lesbian would change her neighbor’s opinions

The Personalization Fallacy, a relative of the Authority Fallacy, is part of the bedrock of the liberal thought process.

20 posted on 03/03/2012 6:30:19 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Kaslin
She finishes her article by stating, “Next time I drive to our cabin, I’m going to make sure I take everything I could possibly need. I don’t want to ask my neighbors for help. I hope it’s their weekend to stay home.”

So she wants to live a life of self sufficiency because she doesn't want to ask for her neighbors' help, but is perfectly willing to demand that same help for herself and everyone she wants to appear generous to with the IRS's guns. Apparently doublethink is alive and well in that walnut which she tries to pass off as a brain.

21 posted on 03/03/2012 6:31:14 AM PST by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Kaslin
LOL. I have to laugh at this woman. Mr. RightField and I are an interracial couple, from Southern California, now living in Florida. New people we meet, even conservatives, nearly always assume we are liberal Democrats.

Liberals will start talking politics and liberal ideas right away; as in this story, they assume we think as they do. Conservatives will completely avoid politics and liberal ideas until we let them know our stand on the issues.

22 posted on 03/03/2012 6:32:02 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: taterjay
What response would the neighbors receive if they came to ask for something? Door in the face I bet.

People like Wagman come close to making a SHTF apocalyptic upheaval sound like a good thing.

Most of her type would last only until the sushi and Grey Goose run out.


23 posted on 03/03/2012 6:35:34 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: allendale

I have to agree with you. My wife and I had - operative word - good friends, neighbors, who live across the street from us. We did a lot together through the 1990s and even through the early 2000s. However, things began to change sometime in GWBs second term, as the vitriol and hatred spewed from the left-wing media. It soon became apparent that “we” and “them” was not going to work as they are very liberal; he’s a lawyer, she’s a public school teacher, ironically (or not) they sent both children through Catholic schools and Notre Dame. Now, with Obama and the extreme divisivness and hate, I want nothing really to do with them. The same holds for my wife’s family - her brothers and father (although I tolerate the 80 year old fool) who are knee-jerk democrats; and my sister and her demented second husband.

I don’t understand any of these people any more, how they can so strongly support Obama and his anti-American policies. My anger toward all Obama supporters is growing, and I think that’s a dangerous thing for me, and for the USA if my views are similar to those of other conservatives. The sad thing is, the rage stems from the vile views and intolerance of the left, and its promulgation in the so-called MSM.

I fear the USA is at a tipping point, to tumble off into the abyss.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 6:37:02 AM PST by astounded (Barack Obama as POTUS is a clear and present danger to the USA)
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To: Kaslin
“They are a lovely family: husband, wife, and four smart, funny, polite children. I was sure they were Democrats.”

Speaks volumes about the inherent biases of democrats, doesn't it? The most vile racists known are democrats. The most intolerant people are "tolerant" democrats.

25 posted on 03/03/2012 6:37:55 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Kaslin
He called me a spoiled idiot and worse.

Huh. He sounds like an entirely reasonable and likeable person to me. Go figure.
26 posted on 03/03/2012 6:38:41 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: dljordan; All

Three words: pro, jeck, shun


27 posted on 03/03/2012 6:40:02 AM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: Iron Munro

That would only happen for a short while and then, suddenly, stop. Their society would collapse in short order - nobody around to do anything productive.


28 posted on 03/03/2012 6:42:50 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: jiggyboy
She idly wonders if any number of bitter misfortunes, such as having a son killed in Afghanistan, a daughter turning up pregnant, or a sister announcing that she was a lesbian would change her neighbor’s opinions...

And yet confronted with facts that contradict Ms. Wagman's predjudice (an interracial Tea Party couple); she doubles down on her bigotry.

29 posted on 03/03/2012 6:42:53 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: astounded

Amen!Well said, sir!


30 posted on 03/03/2012 6:43:55 AM PST by madrastex
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To: x1stcav

“I wonder what it was they were drinking?”

Things began to deteriorate when the the Wagmans broke out a bottle of Black and White.


31 posted on 03/03/2012 6:43:59 AM PST by ngat
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To: Kaslin
The latest deep thoughts from deep thinker Diana Wagman, Unemployment, and my new car, in which deep thinker Diana bemoans the fact that she has to accept unemployment payments from the state to keep up the payments on her new car, which she simply HAD to have so that she could give her old car to her daughter for school and of course, she was laid off from her public sector state job because of the "mismanagement" of state officials. She really, really wanted to keep working at it. Really she did.
32 posted on 03/03/2012 6:45:32 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Kaslin

It would seem that Diana Wagman is afraid of contrasting views. Like a child covering her ears so as not to hear anything that might prove her world view wrong. She is sure of her views because all her liberal friends agree with her and just can’t fathom another point of view. Her world view is reinforced by watching MSNBC, CBS and NPR. It would be too much of a shock (see article) to discover she is wrong.


33 posted on 03/03/2012 6:48:47 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Kaslin

We all know people like this lady. Deluded in their own self-righteousness, babbling about “tolerance” while being THE most doctrinaire, unforgiving person on the planet. Sowell is correct that it’s basically pointless to interact with people divided so much politically.


34 posted on 03/03/2012 6:49:42 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Kaslin

I understand how Wagman feels. I feel the same way about liberals. Can’t stand em, can’t stand to be around em.


35 posted on 03/03/2012 6:50:09 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin

No link at the article to the story on which he is commenting.

Very bad form, IMO.


36 posted on 03/03/2012 6:50:24 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Cincinatus
Another gem from her article:

But this is Los Angeles, and I have to drive wherever it's necessary for job possibilities and to the super-cheap grocery store miles away and to my therapy group, which is actually free but very far from home.

37 posted on 03/03/2012 6:53:25 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: Coldwater Creek

This kook is a writer. My guess is that the whole story was MADE UP. Makes for interesting reading.
It is par for the course for liberals to make up things like this. Most people won’t be able to do a fact check, so cliches and stereotypes are perfectly acceptable because they are furthering the cause of liberalism.
I also agree with those who don’t like to socialize with liberals.


38 posted on 03/03/2012 6:53:34 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: Kaslin

There are basically two types of people in the world.

Those who want to be left alone, and the meddling busybodies who won’t leave them alone.

Wagman is in the meddling busybody camp.

I just want to be left alone.

I don’t care what the GBLFTXUSEOQ people do. It’s their own business. They can even proclaim themselves married and find some ignorant “minister” to marry them.

I don’t care if the Occupiers want to live in pee-stained, fecal-smudged clothes and stink.

Just don’t do it in my neighborhood.

Do it on your own time, on your own dime, and in your own place.

Don’t have a place?

NOT MY PROBLEM!

Just leave me ALONE!


39 posted on 03/03/2012 6:54:38 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kaslin
I work as a psychiatric nurse on a Crisis Stabilization Unit. I don't even “go there” for the most part with the people that I work with. I am without question the only conservative person that works on this unit. But there was one nurse in particular that I worked with often and had quite a bit of professional respect for. We worked together one night, and she looked at me and said “ you just absolutely have to be a democrat.” “I just know it.” I laughed and told her that I was a conservative with a capitol “C.” “But I don't understand. You seemed so smart. So compassionate. How can you be a monster?” I was shocked to say the least. I told her that while “bleeding heart” liberals like to believe that they are the champions of the human cause..conservatives are actually out there doing the leg work. My political views do speak to my intelligence, but certainly don't make me “stupid.” Long story shot..she came to me at the end of the night and told me that she would certainly be able to still work with me, but her opinion of me had changed. She wanted to be sure that I understood that. These people..the “bleeding hearts..” all think this way. It's crazy.
40 posted on 03/03/2012 6:55:04 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth (When in the course of human events...)
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To: Kaslin

“They’re neither kind not empathetic.” Oh.....my.....this shows how deluded Democrats are. I’d be willing to bet you that if you asked this woman to describe herself, she would say that she’s kind and empathetic. I’m sure she considers herself to be a “good person”. She doesn’t like Republicans, so they can’t be good like she is. If they’re not like her, then they must not be kind and empathetic. She is actually on the road to recovery. She realizes that there’s dissonance in her view of the world. A mature person’s next step would be to investigate the reasons for this dissonance in her life. I hold little hope that she will behave in a rational and mature manner.


41 posted on 03/03/2012 6:56:00 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Sherman Logan
Here's the original article: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/19/opinion/la-oe-wagman-it-is-not-possible-to-talk-to-conserv-20120219
42 posted on 03/03/2012 6:56:00 AM PST by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: RightField
LOL. I have to laugh at this woman.

You might get a kick out of this old ditty:

Poor Left Winger by Janet Greene

(scroll down 1 screen and play #7)


43 posted on 03/03/2012 6:56:46 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Sherman Logan

Here you go:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/19/opinion/la-oe-wagman-it-is-not-possible-to-talk-to-conserv-20120219


44 posted on 03/03/2012 6:57:12 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: RightField

“Therapy group”?

Uh huh.


45 posted on 03/03/2012 6:58:07 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Kaslin

“Her views seem so logical to her...”

Those views don’t come from her brain but her intestines.

Progressives are invariably visceral, hostile, psychotic animals; the ultimate in jihadism.

IMHO


46 posted on 03/03/2012 6:58:14 AM PST by ripley
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To: shoff

For want of a better higher power, liberals have turned to partisan politics to define the world. But,the insider ‘politically correct’ morphs so frequently that most liberals in this part of the country are a page or two behind and terrified that they can’t catch up.
Thus, they’re obsessed with politics and will bring it up within the first three sentences of a conversation. They have no idea how crazy they sound to anyone outside of their fearful little colony.


47 posted on 03/03/2012 7:00:56 AM PST by Kanzan
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To: Kaslin
I would really like to hear the other side of this story...

From her article as posted Ohio.com...

My mother had Republican friends. She was a lifelong Democrat, worked with the Adlai Stevenson for president campaign and was a precinct chairman for Hubert Humphrey. She was ashamed of Richard Nixon and thought Ronald Reagan was misguided. Still, she didn’t hate Republicans. She disagreed with their politics and they with hers, but she believed people, no matter how they vote, are basically all the same.

I don’t agree. I don’t want to be friends with someone who is a member of the tea party or is a Newt Gingrich Republican. We are not the same. I equate their political views with thoughtlessness, intolerance and narcissism. I think they are not kind or empathetic. And my neighbor made it clear that he does not respect my opinions or me.

48 posted on 03/03/2012 7:01:20 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

For a minute I thought you were describing Minnestoopid.


49 posted on 03/03/2012 7:01:51 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: astounded

“I don’t understand any of these people any more, how they can so strongly support Obama and his anti-American policies.” Agree! I’m tired of having the vile views and intolerance of the left promulgated as a higher standard in which we all will participate either voluntarily or by force. My dem relatives and former friends are either deluded, naive or self-centered beyond belief. Sadly, there is no relationship left to salvage.


50 posted on 03/03/2012 7:03:39 AM PST by Pat4ever
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