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Obama: Sin is what doesn't match 'my values'
SRN News.com ^ | March 2, 2012 | Michael Foust / Baptist Press

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:28:31 AM PST by Gritty

The one-hour interview by Cathleen Falsani was conducted when Obama was running for U.S. Senate (2004)...

Among Obama's most intriguing answers, he says he believes there are many paths to God. His answers on heaven and sin, though, have drawn the most discussion:

FALSANI: "Do you believe in heaven?"

OBAMA: "Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?"

FALSANI: "A place spiritually you go to after you die?"

OBAMA: "What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing. When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

FALSANI: "Do you believe in sin?"

OBAMA: "Yes."

FALSANI: "What is sin?"

OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values."

FALSANI: "What happens if you have sin in your life?"

OBAMA: "I think it's the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I'm true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward; when I'm not true to it, it's its own punishment."

Obama said he is a Christian but that he also draws beliefs from other religions.

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KEYWORDS: faith; falsani; obama; obamareligion; obamavalues; sin
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1 posted on 03/03/2012 7:28:36 AM PST by Gritty
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To: Gritty
"What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded."

So much for Jesus' atonement on the Cross when you can just live your life as well as you can.

2 posted on 03/03/2012 7:34:01 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Gritty

...and if you have no values... - explain that to your creator O man


3 posted on 03/03/2012 7:34:51 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I STAND WITH ISRAEL)
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To: Gritty

The man is almost impossibly arrogant, incapable of humility.


4 posted on 03/03/2012 7:35:09 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Gritty

Sounds like he is headed to the Lake of Fire unless he recognizes and accepts the atoning blood of Christ as the only payment for his sins.


5 posted on 03/03/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Gritty
how does this joker find time to ‘tuck his daughters’ in at bedtime, with all the campaigning he does...his remarks makes one L O L
6 posted on 03/03/2012 7:35:48 AM PST by haircutter
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To: Gritty

I don’t believe that Obama is any sort of devout Christian. Nor do I believe that he understands Christianity. Here’s why:

When he has spoken about his faith, he says he was drawn to Christianity as an adult. He said that he was drawn by tenets of Christianity such as our being our brother’s keeper, and our sister’s keeper.

Obama completely misunderstands and misrepresents the Bible story in which Cain mockingly asks God “am I my brother’s keeper”, after Cain killed Abel and God asked him where his brother was.

So, to me, for Obama to cite as his inspiration for Christianity a completely distorted version of a Bible story, in which he has missed the point of that story altogether, makes me wonder how much of Christian theology he really understands.

Anyone else notice that when Obama has said “Koran”, that he pronounces it with an Arabic inflection in the voice?

Not saying that this proves he’s really Muslim, but I do question the depth of his Christian faith. And I think he might be more familiar with Islam that Christianity, whether he considers himself Muslim or not.


7 posted on 03/03/2012 7:36:59 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Gritty

Interesting, for a “Christian” he does not mention that Jesus Christ paid the price for his sin and Christ redeemed him threw the blood on the cross and it has nothing to do with what Obummer does.....Hmmmmmmmmmmm


8 posted on 03/03/2012 7:37:11 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: DTogo
So much for Jesus' atonement on the Cross when you can just live your life as well as you can.

And even better when you get to pick the values that determine what "The best you can means"! Larry Flynt is in the clear. Actually so are Mao Tse-Tong, Jim Jones, Fred Phelps, Adolph Hitler and Pol Pot.
9 posted on 03/03/2012 7:38:08 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: Gritty

And being a butt-boy is not a sin since being on the downlow is not out of alignment with his values.


10 posted on 03/03/2012 7:38:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: Gritty

Typical relativist...


11 posted on 03/03/2012 7:39:55 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

“I set my own rules.” is basically what he believes.

He’s an arrogant fool.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 7:40:14 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Gritty

Actually, depending on whether “being out of alignment with my values” means the person’s own values, or Barack Obama’s values, he might just be elevating himself to God status, which might be the one thing more foolish and stupid than the relativistic solipsism I originally assumed.


13 posted on 03/03/2012 7:40:28 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: Gritty

Christianity isn’t tailored to what you feel comfortable with and isn’t a smorgasbord to pick what suits your belief. It’s either believing in the word of God or not. Don’t deceive yourselves to believing “your values” or good deeds will get you there. Coming to the realization that you are a sinner and can never redeem yourself will open up your eyes to realize you are a sinner. That forgiveness and redemption will produce “the fruits of the spirit” and you will know “Christians” by their fruit. A good tree does not produce bad fruit or a bad tree produce good fruit. Don’t listen to what Obama says but what he does. Usually against any faith teachings. Read Proverbs.


14 posted on 03/03/2012 7:40:48 AM PST by wordsofwisdom
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To: DTogo
"What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded."

So much for Jesus' atonement on the Cross when you can just live your life as well as you can.

This statement lines up more with Islam than Christianity.

Not that that's a shocker...

15 posted on 03/03/2012 7:41:14 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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I believe you are a steaming pile of ..., B-HO.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 7:42:13 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Gritty

17 posted on 03/03/2012 7:43:05 AM PST by maggief
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To: Gritty

And who is the author of your values, Mr Obama? If it is YOU then HOW can you ever be out of alighnment with yourself?


18 posted on 03/03/2012 7:46:25 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Gritty; mickie; flaglady47; oswegodeee; seenenuf; seekthetruth; Chigirl 26; Bizzy Bugz
As he states above, Obama lives according to his own made-up values....and his sins are when he breaks his own made-up values.

Any pretense that he's a Christian should finally be put to rest once and for all. Values come from the Word of the Triune God and are cast in rock. Made-up human values can and do shift with the tides...and we have seen this in the ever-shifting pronouncements and actions of this evil phony the past three-plus years.

Actually, a close reading of the above shows he's his own God....but then, we've known that ever since he was immaculated, haven't we!

Leni

19 posted on 03/03/2012 7:47:40 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Gritty

Like a psychopath trying to mimic empathy, or Romney trying to explain conservatism, this is a secularist trying to explain religion. It’s a mimic. Someone outside the true experience trying to sound like he is on the in. While you can have your set of values, being Chrstian comes with a non-negotiable starter set Moses didn’t come off the mount with a blank slate and say, “Here, any 10 will do”. Sin is when you offend God, not your ‘value-set’. Hopefully there is a correlation between the two, but the first condition is what matters. What if your value set sucks?


20 posted on 03/03/2012 7:47:46 AM PST by ScarletRed
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To: Gritty

Destiny


21 posted on 03/03/2012 7:50:44 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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I’ve heard W, Joel Osteen (not a shocker) and Billy Graham (a shocker) say there is more than one path to God. Now you’re free to call yourself anything you want but, if you believe that, you’re not a Christian.

It’s hard to understand how BOzo could spend so much time in a pew and not be able to even fake being a Christian better than he does.


22 posted on 03/03/2012 7:50:59 AM PST by Hayride
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To: Gritty

This Fella needs to be paid a visit by Ray Comfort.


23 posted on 03/03/2012 7:51:35 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: Gritty

First Commandment violated by Obama alert!!

He clearly does not put God (and therefore God’s commandments on how to conduct oneself) before himself - he considers his own values and opinions to be superior to any others, including God himself. That was Lucifer’s sin as well - the fallen angel felt he knew more than God.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 7:51:49 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: blueyon

I’m not excusing Obama but I would be surprised if he ever heard the true gospel preached in Jeremiah Wright’s church.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:1-5&version=ESVUK

“Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you— unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.”

Plus, liberalism tends to find the idea of man’s sinful nature and the need for blood atonement “distasteful”:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%209:22&version=AMP

“[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins.”


25 posted on 03/03/2012 7:51:57 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Gritty

Obama is the example of the seven deadly sins.


26 posted on 03/03/2012 7:52:36 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Gritty
There is no way Obama is a Christian.Per the article he says:He added, “So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”

Christ Jesus says in John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Obama is pure evil.He also admits his father is from Kenya which per the Constitution he is, in no way eligible to be POTUS

27 posted on 03/03/2012 7:53:11 AM PST by hwkbeer
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To: Gritty; mickie
"He believes there are many paths to God."

Really?

There's only one. The Savior says, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light". He also says, "NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me."

I could go on, but the worthless little twerp in the White Hut isn't worth any more of my time on this subject.

Leni

28 posted on 03/03/2012 7:56:26 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Obama completely misunderstands and misrepresents the Bible story in which Cain mockingly asks God “am I my brother’s keeper”, after Cain killed Abel and God asked him where his brother was

He hasn't a clue that that was Cain's "smart ass" answer to God's question.

I personally feel a sadness when I see someone saying "many ways to God", there's one way and when someone rejects that one way, they are hell bound and I don't wish that on anyone - not even Obama, as much as everything about him disgusts me. I feel the same about Romney too.

29 posted on 03/03/2012 7:56:26 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Gritty

“Thou shalt have no other god before me.”

It’s obvious Obama worships himself. “His values...”

Hmph.


30 posted on 03/03/2012 7:56:55 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: Gritty

“What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded.”

Wrong Barry, heavenly rewards are earned by doing things God’s way, not yours.


31 posted on 03/03/2012 8:04:58 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Gritty
I wish this interview had been published before the 2008 election. Hopefully, Obama's "faith" will receive more exposure and discussion this time around. Can any faithful Christian legitimately vote for this guy knowing that Obama professes to be a Christian, but instead, defines sin as "being out of alignment with my values"??? I also found the following to be rather interesting:

Asked who Jesus is to him, Obama answered, "Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history."

Obama was not asked about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the resurrection.

If I'm not mistaken, Obama gave us plenty of information about his beliefs on the deity of Christ or the Resurrection. It can be inferred from his statement that to him, Jesus was an historical figure and a wonderful teacher. No wonder he doesn't "get" Christianity. He does not view Jesus Christ as his Savior. It is readily apparent.

32 posted on 03/03/2012 8:08:48 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: maggief
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33 posted on 03/03/2012 8:09:51 AM PST by digger48
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To: Gritty

Obama declares himself to be a god.


34 posted on 03/03/2012 8:10:02 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Gritty

“OBAMA: “What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded.”

72 virgins?


35 posted on 03/03/2012 8:10:38 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Gritty

Barack Obama bears no resemblence to Jesus Christ or any Christian I have ever known.
Salvation is by works? No.
The man is not a Christian.


36 posted on 03/03/2012 8:11:33 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Gritty
"FALSANI: "What is sin?"

"OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values."

Wow...same definition as Adolph Hitler.

What a shallow, shallow man.

37 posted on 03/03/2012 8:12:48 AM PST by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Gritty

“And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator....”

Adolph Hitler

Mein Kampf pg. 216


38 posted on 03/03/2012 8:14:05 AM PST by mo
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To: digger48
Yuuuuup!


39 posted on 03/03/2012 8:20:16 AM PST by maggief
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To: Gritty

FALSANI: “What is sin?”

OBAMA: “Being out of alignment with my values.”
.............????????????...............

Wow! No wonder he had the notion that he was some sort of Messiah back in 2008 when he was running for POTUS. Any person who thinks that he is the definer of “sin” is so far our of the realm of Christianity or Judaism that it blows my mind.


40 posted on 03/03/2012 8:26:24 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: DTogo

Allah Ackbar


41 posted on 03/03/2012 8:26:39 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Gritty

There are many religions for which works are the “path to salvation”. Christianity is the ONLY one that does not. How this clown can claim Christ with his belief system and NOT ONE journalist knows enough about it to call him on it just shows how far we have fallen.


42 posted on 03/03/2012 8:30:10 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Gritty

All those years of sitting in Wright’s farce of a church did nothing for him.


43 posted on 03/03/2012 8:30:33 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Gritty

I would feel relatively comfortable saying that Obama is not actually a Christian. He seems to believe in the effacacy of his own works, has a remarkable lack of belief that the soul is eternal and that there is a place where God will welcome those who follow God’s precepts.

He also speaks not at all about Jesus actually atoning for our sins, which is the foundational principle of the religion he professes to believe in.


44 posted on 03/03/2012 8:32:32 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hayride

“It’s hard to understand how BOzo could spend so much time in a pew and not be able to even fake being a Christian better than he does.”

Not really. They didn’t have much Christianity in Reverend Wright’s church.


45 posted on 03/03/2012 8:33:37 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
FALSANI: "What is sin?"
OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values."

46 posted on 03/03/2012 8:33:57 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo
So much for Jesus' atonement on the Cross when you can just live your life as well as you can.

Bingo. He definitely does not "get" Christianity.

"What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded."

With 72 virgins perhaps??????????

47 posted on 03/03/2012 8:35:28 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. RIP A.B.)
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To: DTogo
FALSANI: "What is sin?"
OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values."

He didn't finish his sentence, but you know in his mind he was saying" "Being out of alignment with my values....like joining the Tea Party, for example.

48 posted on 03/03/2012 8:41:03 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. RIP A.B.)
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To: Gritty

anti-Christ bookmark for future reference


50 posted on 03/03/2012 8:44:46 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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