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To: fieldmarshaldj

I guess you’re a “half empty” guy.

I see Unigov as keeping us from turning into Cleveland, Detroit, etc for about 40 yrs. That was a major accomplishment.

As far as Carson, the Republicans have districted all the “takers” into one geographic slot, and that keeps 3 or 4 other districts completely safe for Republicans. The downside is when you do that, you get the worst of the worst in the rep. but only one of them.


38 posted on 03/05/2012 4:35:45 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: nascarnation; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Impy

“As far as Carson, the Republicans have districted all the “takers” into one geographic slot, and that keeps 3 or 4 other districts completely safe for Republicans. The downside is when you do that, you get the worst of the worst in the rep. but only one of them.”


While you are correct that the Republicans redrew the IN-07 a few months ago to keep it heavily Dem, and that surrounding districts are rather comfortably Republican, it is simply not the case that “the Republicans have districted all the “takers” into one geographic slot,” nor that the district “keeps 3 or 4 other districts completely safe for Republicans.”

First of all, the IN-07 was drawn so as to excise the most Republican Marion County suburbs, thus creating hyper-Republican suburban districts, back in 2002, by the Democrats, who had full control of the process. I remember watching the vote by one of the IN houses on C-SPAN, with Republicans complaining about the partisan nature of the Democrat gerrymandering (and it was indeed quite a gerrymander outside of Indianapolis). This was not a Republican scheme to protect Republican congressmen.

Second, while Republicans did control the 2012 redistricting process, and drew a similar IN-07 as before (merely expanding it a bit to meet the equal population requirement), the GOP did not really “go for the jugular” so as to draw *completely safe* districts to its north, south, east and west. Had the GOP really wanted to achieve that, the legislature should have combined the most heavily RAT parts of Indianapolis with the hyper-Democrat city of Bloomington in Monroe County to its southwest, connected by a thin strip of turf in eastern Morgan County. This would have allowed the GOP to draw safe GOP seats not only in IN-04, IN-05 and IN-06 (the latter of which was not safely GOP under the prior redistricting), but also in current battlegrounds IN-08 and IN-09.

Similarly, the GOP redrew the IN-02 to make it comfortably GOP, but not truly safe GOP; had it drawn a hyper-Democrat IN-01 that hugged Lake Michigan and then squirrelled into South Bend, it would have then been able to draw completely safe IN-02.

I understand what IN Republicans did; they took the high road by drawing a map for what should be a 7-2 GOP delegation without resorting to Indiana-Democrat-style gerrymandering. But if the Dems somehow win back the IN-02, IN-08 or IN-09 during the decade, all of that “high road” stuff won’t mean bupkus. Remember, keeping the RATs from winning those CDs not only saves a GOP vote in the House, it also prevents the Democrats from electing a “moderate” who can eventually become a Senate or gubernatorial candidate—with only two hyper-Democrat CDs in NW IN and in Indy/Bloomington, the Dems would send two moonbats to Congress who could never be elected statewide.


49 posted on 03/05/2012 5:09:24 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: nascarnation

Well, I’m not always Mr. Negative... :-P

Not to say UniGov wasn’t an important achievement for Indianapolis in preventing a deterioration (I’d say it wouldn’t have become a Cleveland or Detroit, but more like Columbus, Ohio... a formerly GOP city which has fallen to the dark side), but that Lugar’s singular positive achievement is 42 years old. A term or two in the Senate should’ve seen him retire back in 1988 for a desultory Cabinet position under GHW Bush and permanent retirement afterwards.

I’d have probably tried to get creative enough to find a way to dump enough Republicans into the Carson seat to sack him. The Dems made Dan Burton’s seat so hyper-GOP that he could’ve afforded to shed more than a few. IN could produce an 8R-1D delegation under such circumstances.


50 posted on 03/05/2012 5:09:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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