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Navy practice of sinking old ships raises pollution concerns
AP via CoCo Times ^ | 3/3/12 | JASON DEAREN Associated Press

Posted on 03/03/2012 9:42:21 AM PST by SmithL

SAN FRANCISCO -- In 2005, the USS America aircraft carrier was towed out to sea on her final voyage. Hundreds of miles off the Atlantic coast, U.S. Navy personnel then blasted the 40-year-old warship with missiles and bombs until it sank.

The massive Kitty-Hawk class carrier -- more than three football fields long -- came to rest in the briny depths about 300 nautical miles southeast of Norfolk, Va.

Target practice is now how the Navy gets rid of most of its old ships, an Associated Press review of Navy records for the past dozen years has found. And they wind up at the bottom of the ocean, bringing with them amounts of toxic waste that are only estimated.

Navy documents state that among the toxic substances left onboard the America were more than 500 pounds of PCBs or polychlorinated biphenyls, a chemical banned by the U.S. in 1979, in part because it is long-lasting and accumulates throughout the food chain. Disposing of the carrier that served in the Vietnam War, Desert Storm and Desert Shield cost more than $22 million.

In the past 12 years, records show the Navy has used missiles, torpedoes and large guns to sink 109 old, peeling and rusty U.S warships off the coasts of California, Hawaii, Florida and other states. During the same period, 64 ships were recycled at one of six approved domestic ship-breaking facilities.

The Navy says target practice on actual military ships serves an important national security function, allowing for live-fire exercises and study of "weapons lethality."

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: cv66; navy; sinkex; ussamerica

1 posted on 03/03/2012 9:42:23 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Ever notice every “green” position is coincidentally exactly opposite what is in America’s strategic national interest?

For real.

Why don’t communists in communist nations, oppose their own nation’s military interests?

It’s for some reason only American communists, who are opposed to America’s own military.

Why is that?

Hmm?


2 posted on 03/03/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: SmithL
I suggest that about 1000 Green Activists force their way on to these navy ships as they are being towed out to deep waters. They chant slogans about not polluting the ocean.

And then the target practice can start.

3 posted on 03/03/2012 9:45:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: SmithL

Aim at the west coast, there I fixed it


4 posted on 03/03/2012 9:45:32 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V us)
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To: SmithL

Why don’t they cut it up for scrap?


5 posted on 03/03/2012 9:45:37 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SmithL

didn’t they use biodegradeable torpedoes?


6 posted on 03/03/2012 9:45:57 AM PST by brivette
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To: SmithL
I'm getting to think that the only reason we have a military any more is only to kill and destroy.

Does anyone else get that same sinking feeling?

7 posted on 03/03/2012 9:50:40 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SmithL

They should have sunk it in closer, as an artificial reef for fishing and diving.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 9:51:07 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: jsh3180

They don’t want the ships in too shallow water; it helps enemy intelligence agencies examine our ships.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 9:58:19 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: EGPWS
only reason we have a military any more is only to kill and destroy.

That is the function of the military. What do you expect a miltary to do?

/johnny

10 posted on 03/03/2012 9:59:08 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SmithL
About a year ago I watched a documentary about the sinking of old Navy vessels and it went into great detail about how all toxic materials and residue were removed cleaned.

In addition, there were some "enviromentalists" raving about the wonderful habitat the old ships make for sea life, as well as providing etertainment for recreational scuba diving.

If we're going to knee jerk to the complaints of every little pod of environuts in America, we'll never get anything done.

Trouble is, the media is packed with these same enviro whackoes and they carry the torch for the left.

And finally, IF all the hundreds and hundreds of ships, planes and submarines that went down in the oceans in the past world wars - fully loaded with fuel, oil, and munitions - hasn't ended life as we know it, I sure wouldn't worry about an empty shell of a boat being sunk. Even the old "Arizona" - sunk at Pearl Harbor - is still to this day, seeping oil.

Liberals are all members of the "What can we bitch about today?" club.
11 posted on 03/03/2012 10:00:51 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: jsh3180

They have done that in the past.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 10:08:16 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: SmithL

Great fish habitat!

Most of the PCBs can be removed without that much difficulty prior to sinking.


13 posted on 03/03/2012 10:09:36 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SmithL

USS AMERICA, CV-66

I was an the America during the Gulf War.

The left would prefer our ships being sunk by Iran, China, Russia, etc.

14 posted on 03/03/2012 10:10:50 AM PST by csvset
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To: SmithL

Sinking all the ships of all the navies that ever sailed won’t raise the level of the oceans one little inch, but now we will poisen the oceans with a few US Navy ships...Right.


15 posted on 03/03/2012 10:11:17 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SmithL

Sinking all the ships of all the navies that ever sailed won’t raise the level of the oceans one little inch, but now we will poisen the oceans with a few US Navy ships...Right.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 10:11:33 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SmithL

This is a load of crap. MILLIONS and millions of dollars are spent removing as much of the toxics as is possible before these ships are sunk. I would reckon that the scrap value of the ship is easily spent on cleaning them up before they are sunk. Don’t forget that the “scrap value” is the NET after they are 1: cleaned up “sort of” 2: towed to some non-Bangladesh place where they can be dismantled and 3: the cost of dismantling labor. You can’t just drive or tow the ship into a big melting pot and jump off before it tips in!


17 posted on 03/03/2012 10:17:44 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (The only economic certainty: When it all blows up, Krugman will say we didn't spend enough.)
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To: SmithL

Abandon the EPA building in DC and call in an alpha strike. That way no pollutants are left in the ocean, part of DC gets cleaned up and the military gets its practice in. Oh yeah, those officeless EPA federal workers can clean up the mess. Should take them quite a while and keep them off the unemployment lines.


18 posted on 03/03/2012 10:20:29 AM PST by vc79 (LIBs)
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To: SmithL
Perspective - liberals just don't got it.

Let them spend a few years crossing oceans, and maybe they would get a clue about their own insignificance.

19 posted on 03/03/2012 10:22:10 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Mmogamer

Scrapping a warship—especially one as big as a carrier—is an expensive and involved process. Many ventures to scrap ships have wound up in bankruptcy, sometimes without finishing the job.

Besides, I kinda like the sentiment somebody posted here, at the time the America was sunk as a test target: “Rather than being ignominiously cut up for scrap after years of service, she was given the chance to serve her country one final time”.


20 posted on 03/03/2012 10:23:24 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: SmithL

This happened in 2005. I wonder if concerns are being raised now, because Obama would rather give obsolete carriers to the Chinese government. Just one of those things that make you wonder...


21 posted on 03/03/2012 10:25:20 AM PST by roadcat
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To: SmithL

My old ship (USS Conolly) was sunk this way. I watched the video on youtube, and it was kind of sad seeing her sink. It also makes me feel old, since I was a part of the Commissioning crew.
I have to agree with the greenies on this one. We shouldn’t sink these old ships. They should be taken apart and all of the pieces dumped on the front lawn of one of these ecologists. By having this old junk placed on their lawn, they can show the world how green they are. :)


22 posted on 03/03/2012 10:37:42 AM PST by birdsman (NAAWP)
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To: SmithL

They should just tow them and dump them on the cross-Bronx expressway. There wouldn’t be much left after a week.


23 posted on 03/03/2012 10:45:19 AM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: SmithL

Why the hell don’t they scrap those ships? They’re worth good money. They could manufacture a soluble foam target for a lot less.


24 posted on 03/03/2012 10:48:13 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
You can’t just drive or tow the ship into a big melting pot and jump off before it tips in!

True, but wouldn't it be something to see if you could? :)

25 posted on 03/03/2012 10:51:52 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Carry_Okie
They could manufacture a soluble foam target for a lot less.

True, but that wouldn't tell you much about how good your torps, missiles, bombs and shells would be in sinking ships that could still shoot back.

26 posted on 03/03/2012 10:54:17 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Carry_Okie
They could manufacture a soluble foam target for a lot less.

True, but that wouldn't tell you much about how good your torps, missiles, bombs and shells would be in sinking ships that could still shoot back.

27 posted on 03/03/2012 10:54:33 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

It’s kind of a waste.

We should load these obsolete ships with greeniacs before the target practice.

Thanks SmithL.


28 posted on 03/03/2012 11:01:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Carry_Okie

They do take out the most valuable metals; copper and brass.


29 posted on 03/03/2012 11:01:41 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: El Gato
Just something to ponder : think of the number of merchant ships and warships sunk in WWI and WWII.
All went down with weapons and cargo semi intact.
Doesn't seem to be causing world ending events
30 posted on 03/03/2012 11:02:10 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
All went down with weapons and cargo semi intact. Doesn't seem to be causing world ending events .

A lot of us old guys played with balls of mercury from a thermometer when we were kids in the 50s. Now it takes a 3-man HAZ-MAT team to deal with it.

Environmentalism has become the liberals substitute for religion.

31 posted on 03/03/2012 11:05:49 AM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: USMCPOP

LOL.

Someone should ask NYC where all those old subway cars went when they were retired.


32 posted on 03/03/2012 11:08:49 AM PST by 386wt
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To: nascarnation
A lot of us old guys played with balls of mercury from a thermometer when we were kids in the 50s

Count me in with that group, it was fascinating to see the little silver ball move around like water on a greased surface. Remember pushing on it so it would break into two little balls that would come together again.

33 posted on 03/03/2012 11:14:04 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Mmogamer

Why don’t they cut it up for scrap?
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Because the greenies screamed at all the pollution generated when cutting one up. This screaming caused the insurance companies to raise their premiums sky high making ship salvage unprofitable.


34 posted on 03/03/2012 11:38:41 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: SmithL

This is how it begins. First the Navy is banned from sinking old ships, then it is banned from sinking any ships. Then they ask why is there a Navy anyway if they can’t sink ships?


35 posted on 03/03/2012 1:01:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (We have nothing to fear except fear itself.... And bunnies.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; EGPWS

SARCHASM: The gulf between the maker of sarcastic wit and the person who just doesn’t get it.


36 posted on 03/03/2012 2:12:00 PM PST by SmithL (If you reward certain behavior, don't be surprised when you see more of that behavior)
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To: SmithL

Sinking these is absurd. My three neighbors close the Atlantic all do metal recycling and would be happy to go to get their hands on this, with lots of friends!

And many others who live in it.


37 posted on 03/03/2012 3:54:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Robe; nascarnation
A lot of us old guys played with balls of mercury from a thermometer when we were kids in the 50s

Not only that, all the old prospectors used to use mercury to pick up the gold out of their pans because it would pick up the gold and leave the junk. Later they could retrieve the Gold. I remember my Uncle doing that when I was a kid(he was a miner before they shut the mines in CA down during WWII) and he panned for gold during the 50s, even though it was illegal(can you believe that sh**?)to own gold at that time thanks the communist a**hat FDR.

38 posted on 03/03/2012 5:11:50 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
i remember my Dad, saying when ever Roosevelt's name being mentioned saying “ "That Son Of A Btich’ .. I never understood why until years later
39 posted on 03/03/2012 9:39:30 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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