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Freed of Gadhafi, Libya's instability only deepens
Associated Press ^ | Saturday, March 3, 2012 2:27 PM EST | MAGGIE MICHAEL

Posted on 03/03/2012 3:27:47 PM PST by Hunton Peck

BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — A large map of Libya hangs on the wall in the home of Idris al-Rahel, with a line down the middle dividing the country in half.

Al-Rahel, a former army officer, leads a movement to declare semiautonomy in eastern Libya, where most of the country's oil fields are located. The region's top tribal leaders meet Tuesday in the east's main city Benghazi to consider unilaterally announcing an eastern state, linked to the west only by a tenuous "federal union."

Opponents fear such a declaration could be the first step toward outright dividing the country. But some easterners say they are determined to end the domination and discrimination by the west that prevailed under dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

Al-Rahel points to the capital Tripoli on the map, in the west. "All troubles came from here," he said, "but we will not permit this to happen again."

The move shows how six months after Gadhafi's fall, the central government in Libya has proved incapable of governing at all. Other countries that shed their leaders in the Arab Spring revolts — Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen — are going through rocky transitions, but none has seen a collapse of central authority like Libya. The collapse has only worsened as cities, towns, regions, militias and tribes all act on their own, setting up their independent power centers.

After liberation from the rule of Gadhafi, Libyans dreamed their country of 6 million could become another Dubai — a state with a small population, flush with petro-dollars, that is a magnet for investment. Now they worry that it is turning more into another Somalia, a nation that has had no effective government for more than 20 years.

Libya may not face literal fragmentation, but it could be doomed to years of instability as it...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arabspring; islamistwinter; libya; nato; obama
Earlier: Libya's Muslim Brotherhood sets up political party
1 posted on 03/03/2012 3:27:52 PM PST by Hunton Peck
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To: Hunton Peck
Carter, Clinton, now Obama - democrat presidents just keep racking up one foreign policy victory after another.

Why isn't the GOP kicking their ass every election?

2 posted on 03/03/2012 3:30:42 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Hunton Peck

Their culture and religion combined make stability almost impossible. They need a dictator!


3 posted on 03/03/2012 3:32:43 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Hunton Peck

Villages. We want each little village to do whatever they feel like doing. We need 3 million different countries out there to get ‘er done.


4 posted on 03/03/2012 3:37:58 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Hunton Peck

Gee, what a shock. Isn’t this the most likely result of what we did?


5 posted on 03/03/2012 3:41:02 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Hunton Peck

This is a perfect example of what happens when ISLAM takes over...total chaos...Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon Syria...all heading towards this debacle. Iran ad Saudi Arabia are the only ones with a “illusion” of stability - but there’s a price for that...

I think we all know that Islam cannot stand - and that it serves no purpose other than promoting violence and control...it’s time we outlaw it in the US and secure our country before certain areas become over saturated with a Moslem population - and they strike out with violence and mayhem!


6 posted on 03/03/2012 3:52:24 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: skeeter

media


7 posted on 03/03/2012 3:58:05 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Hunton Peck

This AP Marxist bitch is full of crap. She’s trying to stir the Moslem Brotherhood pot and doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about. Al-Rahel is a nit, a pimple on Libya’s butt.

The country is controlled by the militias, led by Osama al-Juwali who’s the defense minister in Libya’s interim government.

Al-Juwali is highly respected in Libya for capturing Kaddhafi’s son and sealing the border to prevent Kaddhafi’s thugs from escaping with Libya’s treasures.

He’s moved his militias into position to meet any threat by the hot-head teenagers controlling a tiny segment of Tripoli. The Tripoli residents are very annoyed by minor factions trying to create trouble.

He’s a graduate from the Tripoli Military Academy and was head of Zintan’s military council. To those who don’t have a scorecard, Al-Juwali is a big cheese.

He has superb command skills and put down a feud between two militias who were fighting for control of the Tripoli airport.

So everyone who may be believing this crap from that Muslim AP whore, cool your jets. Maggie Mitchell is a slut. When her muslim buddys run out of goats, they give her a call.


8 posted on 03/03/2012 4:49:21 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Hunton Peck

Shocking! Whoulda thunk it?


9 posted on 03/03/2012 4:49:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Their culture and religion combined make stability almost impossible. They need a dictator!

Unfortunately you are correct and America's foreign policy with these countries needs to be to either have them on our side or, barring that, not our enemy.

10 posted on 03/03/2012 4:57:05 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Their culture is driven by envy, jealousy and suspicion. They are like crabs trapped in a bucket.


11 posted on 03/03/2012 5:18:06 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: wagglebee

Their culture is driven by envy, jealousy and suspicion. They are like crabs trapped in a bucket.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 5:18:06 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: sergeantdave

What do you think is the best long(ish)-term outcome to the situation (in Libya, Egypt and maybe Syria)? Continued military rule? Is that sustainable?


13 posted on 03/03/2012 6:29:07 PM PST by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Hunton Peck

“What do you think is the best long(ish)-term outcome to the situation (in Libya, Egypt and maybe Syria)? Continued military rule? Is that sustainable?”

Sorry, I can’t answer your question about Egypt and Syria. I know something about Libya and believe we have a good chance of getting Libya on our side. I fear, though, that that prick obama will mess it up and try to grease the rails for his muslim buddies.

Then again, obama and his stupid leftists haven’t a clue of what’s going on in Libya.

We do have a number of mercenaries and businessmen from America, France and Italy who are moving chess pieces around Libya and preparing the way to go western rather than Muslim. I’m also guessing that Israel is engaged in Libya, too.

My sources, for what they’re worth, are telling me that the Libyan people are leaning toward the West. The one fact that AP mentioned is that Libya wants to become a second Dubai, “the gold city,” and attract tourists from around the world.

The Libyans, especially in Tripoli, are not happy with a small number of Muslim punks roaming the city and causing trouble. Al-Juwali has the guns and horsepower to make the Muslim troublemakers disappear.

I think that’s a fair assesment for Libya. Libya has always been a moderate Middle East trade center throughout its history.

Anyway, this is all MHO.

Cheers, FRiend.


14 posted on 03/03/2012 7:19:11 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: BCW
I think we all know that Islam cannot stand - and that it serves no purpose other than promoting violence and control...?

I would just note that you sound like Vojislav Seselj.

15 posted on 03/03/2012 8:48:21 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hunton Peck

Where’s that picture of the First Anarchists dressed in Red and Black and bumping fists???? Mission accomplished in Libya. America’s next.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 10:15:24 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Quote from Wikipedia: “He expressed his fear of seeing Bosnia and Herzegovina turn into a republic dominated by Muslims.”

I guess he got it - and others of us get it as well.

Go to my website - view my background - and read just a little of what I have on there...I’ve never had a problem with other religions outside of Christianity - and there are some that have used Christianity for their own sordid purposes...but Christianity has exposed them - and dealt with them judicially. Islam - sees nothing they do as wrong.

As a US Citizen and commissioned Officer - my oath is to protect the US Constitution - and Islam wants to destroy it. They have drawn their line in the sand - and I have drawn mine...I really don’t care who i sound like - I have a country to defend - apparently Vojislav Seselj wanted to protect his country as well.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 6:46:07 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: skeeter

Why isn’t the GOP kicking their ass every election? ....They don’t WANT to. They just want the dregs of the corruption they are offered.


18 posted on 03/04/2012 6:50:06 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: sergeantdave

The one fact that AP mentioned is that Libya wants to become a second Dubai, “the gold city,” and attract tourists from around the world.... That is EXACTLY what my friend (?) from Pakistan said about Lebanon and their troubles. Hamas was hired to to cause trouble in Lebanon in order to send tourists to Dubai. Does our Stupid Department of State understand this at all? No, of course not.


19 posted on 03/04/2012 6:58:53 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: BCW
I’ve never had a problem with other religions...

I wasn't criticizing you.

20 posted on 03/04/2012 10:09:26 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

I know - sorry for coming across as if you did...

You pointed out yet one more example of someone seeing a threat and trying to rally his country against it - but was slammed into the ground for doing so...

I have personally seen what Islam does to others - their own - and those not of their belief or culture — and it’s sickening...

I have been in the Detroit area - the Chicago area - and other places full of Muslims here in the US - I have studied their networking system across the the US - and it’s not good - not at all...I’m of the minority here - I know what the threat is capable of...I just want to make sure the US does not fall victim to this massive threat...but it has already - many times - and yet people go about their lives as if nothing is wrong...that’s sickening as well...

no offense taken...


21 posted on 03/05/2012 6:05:27 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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