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Troubling new Florida Firearms law.
Florida Senate ^

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:18:19 PM PST by gunsmithkat

As a shooter who uses his own property(10 wooded acres) as a firing range I find some of the language in this bill problematic to say the least: any person who knowingly discharges a firearm in any public place or on the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street, who or whosoever knowingly discharges any firearm over the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street or over any occupied premises, or who recklessly or negligently discharges a firearm outdoors on any property used primarily as the site of a dwelling as defined in s. 776.013 or zoned exclusively for residential use commits is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree,

(Excerpt) Read more at flsenate.gov ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: firearms; shooting

1 posted on 03/03/2012 7:18:27 PM PST by gunsmithkat
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To: gunsmithkat

Hmm, come to think of it there’s no obvious exception for people shooting on their own property in what you have cited.


2 posted on 03/03/2012 7:21:13 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: gunsmithkat
or who recklessly or negligently discharges a firearm outdoors on any property used primarily as the site of a dwelling as defined in s. 776.013 or zoned exclusively for residential use

You may be OK depending the definition of reckless or negligent.

3 posted on 03/03/2012 7:26:40 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: coloradan

Florida has improved but still has a long way to go. For one thing they need to get rid of the worthless and irritating 3 day wait for picking up your gun.

They also need to do away with the expensive and somewhat onerous procedure to acquire a carry permit. If they absolutely must have one it should be like Georgia’s.


4 posted on 03/03/2012 7:27:30 PM PST by yarddog
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To: gunsmithkat

Seems to me the law is intended to codify one of the four rules of gun safety, know whats behind your target.


5 posted on 03/03/2012 7:42:01 PM PST by gusty
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To: yarddog

>>They also need to do away with the expensive and somewhat onerous procedure to acquire a carry permit.

In Jacksonville, they did. They have a special office for nothing but CWL. They let you fillout the forms online, take your photo, run your fingerprints electronically, and you have your license in about a week. All you need to bring is a check and DD214 (or other proof of training). It is very cool!


6 posted on 03/03/2012 7:44:09 PM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92

You can live out of state, not be a Florida resident, and do it by mail, also. IIRC the permit is good reciprocally up the coast to Virginia.


7 posted on 03/03/2012 7:52:25 PM PST by 4buttons
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To: gunsmithkat

what is it about the wording that troubles you?


8 posted on 03/03/2012 7:55:16 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: gusty

I see it as an attempt to regulate what people can do on their own property. I live a mile down a private dirt road and my range is not visible from the dirt road. But nothing would stop a County Sheriff’s deputy from driving down that road one day while I’m out target shooting and deciding that I was “reckless” or “negligent” just because he was there, even though I couldn’t see him.


9 posted on 03/03/2012 7:58:21 PM PST by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: paul51

See my response to Gusty above.


10 posted on 03/03/2012 7:59:27 PM PST by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: gunsmithkat

well, with 10 wooded acres, seems to me, you have yourself an organic tree farm that just happens to have a house on it.


11 posted on 03/03/2012 8:15:22 PM PST by blueplum
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To: 4buttons

Non-Resident Carry Permit from FL is not recognized in SC.


12 posted on 03/03/2012 8:27:10 PM PST by Oiao (Socialism Kills)
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To: gunsmithkat
reckless and negligent need to be proven
13 posted on 03/03/2012 8:31:45 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: gunsmithkat
Just one more reason I'll stay put here in Alaska. Photobucket
14 posted on 03/03/2012 8:33:46 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

As I read that, the only way I see you MIGHT have a problem is if you acreage is zoned residential. Otherwise, you should be good to go. Build a nice berm to fire into and do things right, you should be on solid ground. IMO


15 posted on 03/04/2012 5:38:43 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov
We live out in the sticks along the Yukon in an unorganized community, no local government, or taxes, or regulations, ordinances, comprehensive planning or any forms of zoning. People see fire around here when you mention such things. Our town consists of 125 Whites & 30 Indians in a village 8 miles from town and then it's 200 miles down a summer only open dirt road that often washes out, 20 foot of snow on it all winter long. No law enforcement (LEO's hiding in the weeds) or anybody for sour neighbors to call and complain to; everybody pretty much deals with issues on their own; works out quite well. No locks on doors, keys ever outta vehicles or crime to speak of; funny cause everybody here has sidearms for bear protection come warm weather. No state taxes or even property taxes where we live.

Doubt if I could live anywheres else and feel normal. I feel sorry for you all that have to live under the conditions that you do, no freedom; but you get what you are willing to accept or if you let them have their way with you. NOthing behind my brushpile but big mountains for hundreds of miles so my backstop will have to do. Life is very good in Alaska.

16 posted on 03/04/2012 10:19:28 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

Stop making me miss the North!

I spent the ‘70s following work around the Yukon, NWT, Northern Alberta, and BC’s North Peace. The sense of limitlessness in the wilderness is palpable.

Midwinter, there can be an otherworldly stillness and silence; in summer an explosion of life that overwhelms the senses. One often wonders why anyone would want to live anywhere near the Big Smoke.

I always enjoy your posts.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 10:35:27 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Eska
Yeah, but its really, really cold up there most of the time!

I used to live on a few acres, a mile down a dirt road here in Florida myself.
It really irritated me when unknown idiot(s) with a high caliber weapons decided to fire off a few rounds.
Generally after dark.
The terrain there was flat. We didn’t have forests, we had pastures and scrub bushes for miles, with homes and barns scattered about everywhere, on private land of two to twenty acres.
I think everyone owned guns, and none of us were the “cower in our homes” type.
A few of my neighbors were perfectly capable of determining where the shots originated, and ending the threats to our lives and property.I think the Sheriff really appreciated that we called and gave him a chance to peacefully “resolve” the situation.

This kind of law may not be needed where you live, but around here, it is.

18 posted on 03/04/2012 5:33:37 PM PST by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: gunsmithkat

Please see my post #16.


19 posted on 03/04/2012 5:59:20 PM PST by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: gunsmithkat

Sorry, make that 19.
But I was replying to 16.


20 posted on 03/04/2012 6:09:17 PM PST by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: sarasmom
Too many people, jammed too close together never ends up well, must be crowded in Florida. I think nowadays many people don't even know their neighbors down in the lower 48; leads to problems.

Now, we've been in Alaska 20 years, but grew up back in Pennsylvania. I had a 500 yard range there, only owned 86 acres and neighbors weren't on top of each other. Never had a complaint about gunfire or shooting; in fact, all the locals came down to use my range usually all day Saturday; but had great neighbors too. A funny side note, we also had 6 foot high plywood targets, Rose Law Firm Hillary, the Slickster, Mad woman Janet Reno, everybody really enjoyed those targets. I need to make a few new ones here in ALaska.

I actually luv Alaska, luv snowmaching, and all the outdoor sports we do and lifestyle; does wonders for your worldview rather than living in an urban area. It is awful nice not having any organized local government, taxes, and everything else that comes with the growth of govt. Good luck with life in Florida.

21 posted on 03/04/2012 9:44:07 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

More power to ya my friend. I love Alaska. Spent some time there myself and believe me when I say, I wish it could be like Alaska around here. I live in a fairly rural area of Wisconsin and enjoy a few of those things you probably take for granted. I would NEVER live in a big city and anywhere even close to one. Out town has 888 people.


22 posted on 03/05/2012 5:59:49 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Eska
You are right that some of the problems in the lower 48 are due to overcrowding.
But ALL of the problems are due to the people who refuse to live peacefully and honestly amongst other people as neighbors in a civil society.
Whether they have 10000 acres of separation, or ten feet really doesn't much matter.

They will come up to live near you, sooner or later.

Their form of democratic uncivil anarchy seems to be trumping our Republic's basis in civil laws.

Buy extra ammo.Even in isolated parts of Alaska.

23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:05:59 PM PST by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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