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Thereíll be hell to pay (Cardinal Dolanís Pill pledge to Obama)
NY Post ^ | March 4, 2012 | KEVIN SHEEHAN and GARY BUISO

Posted on 03/04/2012 5:11:38 AM PST by NYer

Timothy Cardinal Dolan ramped up the rhetoric in his battle with the White House over contraception policy yesterday — and promised some political payback.

“Don’t impose your teaching upon us and make us do as a church what we find unconscionable to do!” the freshly minted prince of the church told a roaring crowd of 1,000 at Holy Trinity Diocesan HS in Hicksville, LI, referring to a government plan to mandate that religious institutions provide free contraception to workers.

“The Health and Human Services fight is a freedom-of-religion battle. It is not about contraception. It is not about women’s health,” Dolan said.

“No, we are talking about an unwarranted, unprecedented, radical intrusion into the interior life of, integrity of a church’s ability to teach, serve and sanctify on its own.”

In a blistering attack interlaced with humor, Dolan never mentioned President Obama by name — only his policies. And the cardinal promised to put the political muscle of 78 million American Catholics to work against the enemies of free religion.

“President Johnson said, as an American, I look to the church — I look to religion as a beehive. If you leave them alone, they’re going to give you tons of their honey. But if you stick your head in there, you’re going to get stung bad.”

The cardinal, dressed in black and wearing his priestly collar, warned that the sting may come in the voting booth.

“I’d recommend starting voter-registration drives at our parishes. Not only is it going to help churches, it is going to help our American republic. More voters the better.”

And he said he’s confident he’s not alone in the fight.

“We look up and see people who share our values and our vision,” he said.

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PREACHING: Timothy Cardinal Dolan speaks at Holy Trinity Diocesan HS in Hicksville, LI, yesterday.
1 posted on 03/04/2012 5:11:49 AM PST by NYer
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“We live in an era that seems to discover new rights every day and then expects government and culture and society to pay for it. The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights.”

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2 posted on 03/04/2012 5:13:29 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: Liz; The Mayor

Voter registration at the parish ... :-)


3 posted on 03/04/2012 5:18:34 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer
“Don’t impose your teaching upon us...

He nailed it. This is the real issue. Don't tread on me!

4 posted on 03/04/2012 5:19:25 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Newt: "The high price of gas is the deliberate strategy of the left.")
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To: NYer
Good pick, B-16

Somewhere Cardinal O'Connor is smiling.

5 posted on 03/04/2012 5:20:04 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: NYer

I salute this man and his bold response to the criminals in our government. My only question is whether the Cardinal can truly raise 78 million faithful in the Catholic faith. Far too many who think they are Catholic and flatly deny doctrine and practice. Those folks won’t stand.


6 posted on 03/04/2012 5:24:56 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: NYer

Democrats are betting that Catholic women feel more affinity with each other than they do to the church. That’s where the dividing line is being drawn.

You can be sure Axelrod focus tested the heck out of this before they embarked on this strategy and learned that it was worth a bet - at least 50/50.

What Axelrod can’t predict is whether women’s minds and hearts might be changed since the initial focus groups were conducted. If they learn this is the case, they will quietly drop this issue with its mandate, and move on to some other wedge issue.

If they still think this is a winning issue for them, they will ramp up the hysteria. If they don’t, it will quietly go away.

In either case, it’s clear they picked a fight with people who are not backing down.


7 posted on 03/04/2012 5:25:41 AM PST by randita
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To: NYer
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

But an angry Irishman is a close second. :-)

Go get 'em, Eminence!

8 posted on 03/04/2012 5:25:43 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: NYer
The Catholic church has less backbone than Republicans in Congress when it comes to standing up for their beliefs.

Catholics are behind much of the attack on Catholic beliefs. The Kennedy's, Pelosi, John Kerry, Vice President Joe Biden.

Why haveb't these people been ex-communicated?

9 posted on 03/04/2012 5:27:10 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: randita
This shouldn't even be a matter of "affinity with the church". It should be a matter of affinity for the Constitution and for government according to the Constitution.
10 posted on 03/04/2012 5:27:38 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: NYer

“I’d recommend starting voter-registration drives at our parishes. Not only is it going to help churches, it is going to help our American republic. More voters the better.”

I thought only Black Churches were allowed to do that.

Are we talking about a revival in the church? I am as they say a “fallen away Catholic”, due in part because of the Churches lack of emphasis on defending the unborn.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 5:28:01 AM PST by BilLies (Save your money until after the Presidential election.)
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To: BilLies

From what I’ve observed about the Catholic church is that they will talk tough but in the end they will cry and cave.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 5:30:33 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: lonestar

Why haven’t these people been ex-communicated?

The Pope does not have an email account?


13 posted on 03/04/2012 5:31:18 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: NYer
Top U.S. Bishop Writes All U.S. Bishops: ‘We Did Not Ask for This Fight, But We Will Not Run From It’

It's Halftime in America U.S. Catholics: GET YOUR IRISH UP!


14 posted on 03/04/2012 5:31:19 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer

I am not a Catholic but I really like this new Cardinal.


15 posted on 03/04/2012 5:32:11 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: lonestar
The Catholic church has less backbone than Republicans in Congress when it comes to standing up for their beliefs.

Comparing the Catholic Church (Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Dolan, et. al.) to the CINOs (Kennedy, Pelosi ...) is the epitomy of ignorance. Especially on this thread where the stance of the Catholic Church has been so forthrightly proclaimed by the head of the US Catholic Bishops!

16 posted on 03/04/2012 5:34:55 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer

It’s about frickin time the Catholic church was heard on this issue....

I’m always amazed at the lack of engagement on abortion the church has shown considering the pounding they took from the media over the child abuse cases.

I’d like them to invest serious capital in taking on this issue - they have an army of willing souls to help them.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 5:36:46 AM PST by mike_9958
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To: WorkingClassFilth

-——and flatly deny doctrine and practice——

That denial is evolution of the American Church. The question boils down to can the leadership actually control the congregants. Will they continue to remain in the congregation but actually act as they please or in some manner revert to the old ways.

My guess is they will follow the leadership in theory but act as they please in practice


18 posted on 03/04/2012 5:36:51 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: shelterguy

Speaking of cave ... and crawling back into it ....


19 posted on 03/04/2012 5:37:00 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer

This is an easy issue to win on....

Is there anyone who honestly thinks abortion is ok ?


20 posted on 03/04/2012 5:40:14 AM PST by mike_9958
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To: BilLies
... due in part because of the Churches lack of emphasis on defending the unborn.

I am not sure where you get this perspective because EVERYWHERE that I have been on the front lines of the abortion fight, the Catholic Church and its laity is in the center of all of it.

On the Front Lines of the Fight for Life

21 posted on 03/04/2012 5:41:53 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Ya ever see the March for Life in DC?

The great majority are young people. We have an army, if we can get them out to vote.

22 posted on 03/04/2012 5:45:25 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: Servant of the Cross
the epitomy of ignorance, is the Catholic church letting the CINOs stomp all over what the church is rumored to believe and teach!
23 posted on 03/04/2012 5:46:26 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar
Why haveb't these people been ex-communicated?

They have.

24 posted on 03/04/2012 5:48:30 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Didn’t zero claim to have moved the onus to provide birth control and etcetra to the insurance companies? News which the LSM covered with great fanfare?

Didn’t that “law” get added to the federal register that following Friday night without change and without the LSM fanfare?

So the LSM must be ignoring all that Cardinal Dolan is saying rather than admit that zero lied.


25 posted on 03/04/2012 5:48:48 AM PST by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

My opinion is that I have observed far too many fake but accurate Catholics saying one thing and doing another.

That makes it tough for the dozen or so Catholics who actually follow the teachings.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 5:51:29 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: NYer

I sincerely hope that Timothy Cardinal Dolan has at least a modicum of personal security assistants. I wouldn’t put anything past the thugs and goons of the anti-Christian 0bama regime.


27 posted on 03/04/2012 5:54:58 AM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: NYer
Why have't these people been ex-communicated?

They have.

LOL! Sure they have!

28 posted on 03/04/2012 6:00:33 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: mkjessup

He does. I work near his residence. In fact, in the past several weeks, there are now two cops posted outside. Never saw that before. I think there have been credible threats made against him.


29 posted on 03/04/2012 6:03:18 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NYer; onyx; STARWISE; La Enchiladita

Thank you, Eminence ping!


30 posted on 03/04/2012 6:06:00 AM PST by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Dear WorkingClassFilth,

“My only question is whether the Cardinal can truly raise 78 million faithful in the Catholic faith.”

It would be nice if he could, but he can't. However, he doesn't need to.

A modest majority of self-identified Catholics voted for the anti-Christ in 2008. The typical number stated is 54%. If the hierarchy of the Church is able to highlight the anti-Christ’s campaign against the Catholic Church to motivate a 10% shift, a rather more modest result, the anti-Christ would only get 44% of the self-identified Catholic vote. Folks don't generally win the presidency without a majority, or at least a rough tie, in the Catholic vote.

Since 1956, Catholics have given a majority to the popular election loser of the presidential race twice, in 1968 and in 1988. In 1988, the margin was 52%-48% for Dukakis. Al Gore took 50% to 47% in 2000, but he was considered to have won the popular vote.

The cardinal's task is relatively modest - influence half the swing vote of the Catholic electorate to vote Republican in 2012.


sitetest

31 posted on 03/04/2012 6:08:39 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

It’s up to the repubs to frame this issue as a Constitutional not women’s rights issue.

So far they have failed. So what else is new??
Go on the offensive, for a change.


32 posted on 03/04/2012 6:13:03 AM PST by Vinnie
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I knew when I watched Cardinal Dolans installation as Arch Bishop that he was going to be a man to be reckoned with. I love Cardinal Dolan and wish him God speed in this battle. I am behind him 100%.

Lord, be with Cardinal Dolan and give him the strength to do your will always.

Saint Michael, be steadfast at his side. Raise your sword to call all warriors of the Lord to your side and lead us with Cardinal Dolan to victory. Gods will be done.


33 posted on 03/04/2012 6:13:37 AM PST by mardi59 (I'm not looking for MTV, I'm looking for MVP. Newt 2012!)
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To: sitetest

At least he’s trying to get an oar in the water. Too bad too many other churches are sitting on their collective thumbs.


34 posted on 03/04/2012 6:17:35 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: lonestar

Perhaps that question should be directed to those in the church with the authority to do so.

Techinically under canon law, they already are excommunicated for pushing these sins upon the people.

Which raises an ever more interesting question...if we are forced to pay for such procedures through our insurances at work ...are we not also excommunicated?


35 posted on 03/04/2012 6:18:01 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: NYer

Democrats really do not understand about unchanging fundamental beliefs. They would do almost anything to get and hold onto power. Somehow they thing that with enough coercion anyone will wilt under the pressure. Maybe parts of the Church play the political game way to much but the Demonrats have finally pushed the Church into a corner they cannot back out of.

So time to come out fighting.

Give him a punch in the nether regions for me Cardinal Dolan.

Mel


36 posted on 03/04/2012 6:19:15 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: lonestar
Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. Ref
37 posted on 03/04/2012 6:19:31 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
He does. I work near his residence. In fact, in the past several weeks, there are now two cops posted outside. Never saw that before. I think there have been credible threats made against him.

That's good to know. Cardinal Dolan still needs our prayers, and he's got mine for sure.
38 posted on 03/04/2012 6:22:58 AM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: BilLies
Dear BilLies,

“I am as they say a 'fallen away Catholic', due in part because of the Churches lack of emphasis on defending the unborn.”

With over 70 million Catholics in the United States, and over 1 billion worldwide, the Church is a heterogeneous place. But the Church has taken the charge in some places in mobilizing Catholics to defend the unborn through political action.

In the last few election cycles, all the Catholic parishes in the Archdioceses of Washington and Baltimore have been strongly urged to conduct voter registration drives around the pro-life theme, and in one or two cases, letter-writing campaigns to the Maryland legislature on behalf of pro-life issues.

For parishes that haven't been too keen on the idea, the bishops went to the Knights of Columbus in the state of Maryland and asked them to put some muscle and manpower behind the efforts. The state council did so, and pushed voter registration teams and letter-writing campaign teams hard in every single parish in both archdioceses. The goal was to have active teams in every single parish within the state of Maryland in both archdioceses, and they came darned near to 100% of that goal.

I don't remember all the results of these campaigns, but I do remember that with one of the letter-writing campaigns, we generated more letters to the state legislature on a single issue than anyone had ever seen on any issue ever in the state of Maryland. By an order of magnitude. We generated literally tens of thousands of pieces of mail on the issue.

It didn't help much. Maryland is a fascist one-party state, and moving the Catholic electorate five or ten points toward the Republican side doesn't mean a lot. It means the POS (Party of Satan) wins 64 - 36 instead of 66 - 34, or some similar sort of result.

But nationwide, that sort of movement would be devastating to the anti-Christ and to the POS. It remains to be seen whether Cardinal Dolan and the rest of the hierarchy will do what is needed to do to accomplish that relatively modest goal.


sitetest

39 posted on 03/04/2012 6:23:12 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
The cardinal's task is relatively modest - influence half the swing vote of the Catholic electorate to vote Republican in 2012.

Very good analysis and of course you are right about this. Here's a link to a thread of one recent religious liberty homily that specifically intended to influence this 'swing vote of the Catholic electorate'. I pray for more. Sebelius and 0bama have awoken a sleeping giant.

40 posted on 03/04/2012 6:23:59 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: sitetest
The cardinal's task is relatively modest - influence half the swing vote of the Catholic electorate to vote Republican in 2012.

Very good analysis and of course you are right about this. Here's a link to a thread of one recent religious liberty homily that specifically intended to influence this 'swing vote of the Catholic electorate'. I pray for more. Sebelius and 0bama have awoken a sleeping giant.

41 posted on 03/04/2012 6:24:04 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer

Best wishes to you, but if the Republicans prevail, who’s going to look after the poor, ensure that homosexuals get their privileges, and save the earth? Are they saying that they’re happy to rob convenience stores, but draw the line at banks?


42 posted on 03/04/2012 6:24:19 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: NYer

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but everyone keeps saying this is just about contraception. Isn’t the abortion day after pill also included? Isn’t the government trying to call this contraception? It isn’t and it’s such a shame this country (should have been led by the Republicans)hasn’t defined personhood yet after 50 million plus abortions.


43 posted on 03/04/2012 6:24:51 AM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: thethirddegree

I am Catholic and I LOVE this Cardinal. He was our Archbishop here in Milwaukee for 5+ glorious years and almost singehandedly revived our Seminary which nearly closed under the previous Abp. Talk to almost any Seminarian, or new priest, and he will tell you that they chose his profession because of Abp Dolan.

Dolan was a prince among men before he was named a Prince of the Church. He greets everybody as an old friend, even if you’ve only met him briefly once before. In that respect, he is charming like George W. Bush can be.


44 posted on 03/04/2012 6:28:54 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NYer

All Church’s should be standing with catholics on thisone. If he beats the Catholic Church who knows which will be next.

First they came for the catholics in this instance.

This is a muslim attack on Christians and Jews.
, by our muslim president, and his buttlicker fake Catholics in his administration.


45 posted on 03/04/2012 6:37:41 AM PST by Venturer
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To: MomwithHope
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but everyone keeps saying this is just about contraception. Isn’t the abortion day after pill also included? Isn’t the government trying to call this contraception?

Yes but these are the ruse for the real issue: religious freedom. The government is imposing its will on those who object, on religious grounds. Since the Catholic Church is the only christian church that bans contraception (hence it is not covered under their insurance plans), Obama, knowing many catholic women take the pill, pulled the 'divide and conquer' ploy. It is backfiring.

46 posted on 03/04/2012 6:56:11 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: BilLies
I am as they say a “fallen away Catholic”, due in part because of the Churches lack of emphasis on defending the unborn.

Your parish may have been remiss but not the entire Church. Consider that Jesus may not buy your excuse for not worshiping Him in the manner He Himself ordained. If you want real Catholicism, get thee to a Latin Mass parish.

47 posted on 03/04/2012 6:58:37 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I salute this man and his bold response to the criminals in our government. My only question is whether the Cardinal can truly raise 78 million faithful in the Catholic faith. Far too many who think they are Catholic and flatly deny doctrine and practice. Those folks won’t stand.

Nope, he can't raise 78 million, but even if he only gets a few million more Catholics to vote against obama it will change the out come.

In 2008 obama won the overall Catholic vote 54-46 but lost the real Catholic vote {those Catholic's that regularly attend Mass} 55-45.

Obama really won the Latino vote by 64% but many Latinos attend Mass and if 15-20% of them switch, {and they live in swing states}, obama is out, {even if he gets every black vote including those that are dead or in prison}.

Obama should never have lied to Cardinal Dolan back in December.

He picked a fight with the wrong Cardinal, he would have been better off trying to steal home against Cardinal Catcher Molina.

48 posted on 03/04/2012 7:03:11 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Venturer; Campion; bert; BilLies; WorkingClassFilth; sitetest; EBH; Vinnie; melsec; MomwithHope
As freeper Campion stated so well: "This shouldn't even be a matter of "affinity with the church". It should be a matter of affinity for the Constitution and for government according to the Constitution. "

An important point was also raised by another freeper: "Too bad too many other churches are sitting on their collective thumbs."

Where are the voices of such prominent Evangelicals as Joel Ostein or Pat Robertson? Why don't we hear from the Lutherans or the Methodists or the Anglicans? Oh wait ... they are silenced because their churches approve of contraception and, hence, abortifacients. Only the Catholic Church can stand for all christian churches in this fight for religious freedom, from which all will benefit because only the Catholic Church bans contraception. Please pray for these leaders and ask your pastors to support their efforts in their respective communities.

49 posted on 03/04/2012 7:10:27 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Why don’t the Chinese just buy “one of everything”?

It is amusing to see the Russians getting a dose of their own medicine. “Hmm...perhaps maybe we will invent that for ourselves also....first!!!!”


50 posted on 03/04/2012 7:10:59 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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