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1 posted on 03/04/2012 10:10:44 AM PST by tobyhill
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Well. I guess we’ll just have to go with Single Payer then ...


2 posted on 03/04/2012 10:13:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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It’s not that liberals didn’t see this coming, they thought spending others hard earned money was worth the cost.


3 posted on 03/04/2012 10:14:44 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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Obama care will only force you to pay for healthcare that will not cover you properly just to get the added monies needed to provide others without healthcare that have deemed healthcare to be a right. Government chosen AARP will provide for additional services you will need to suppliment the coverage you are NOT ELIGIBLE for because you make to much money. Redistributive GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED healthcare giving you less services charging you more to give services to people who feel it is there right to free healthcare services. Does anyone know of anyone including illegal aliens that were turned away from a hospital because they did not have healthcare? It’s a lie. Whats even more ominous is there are things like little time bombs that have nothing to do with healthcare that are in this bill that none of our elected officials read.


5 posted on 03/04/2012 10:25:14 AM PST by ronnie raygun (B B)
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I wonder what inflation is really like when we consider the proportion of what health care and gasoline comprises of all our expenditures.

I bet inflation right now is nearing (in reality) 7-8%, despite sugar coated government figures that will claim half that. Like in Germany with the phase in of the Euro, we're experiencing far greater inflation than what is announced because the government sort of holds the keys to the kingdom regards this information and unless it's exploding in our faces, the media is to ignorant to figure it out.

6 posted on 03/04/2012 10:25:39 AM PST by Red6
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To: tobyhill

idiots don’t care.
libs had this all calculated they are way ahead of everybody.
it is always the same.
gov regulation causes problems
libs see problems, more government
until we get to the gulag.


7 posted on 03/04/2012 10:30:40 AM PST by genghis
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Administration officials say the explanation lies in budget technicalities and that there are no significant changes in the program that would raise concerns.

Translation: Just go sit in the corner and color.

9 posted on 03/04/2012 10:42:01 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 17,138 replies of dubious quality!)
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I’ve become a reverse Cloward-Piven

With $ Trillion deficits planned for as far as the eye can see, schemes like Obamacare now on their way, and statists in control of much of the Gov’t, I believe that “responsibly” cutting spending and deficits is literally impossible. Bankruptcy of the Federal Gov’t is the only way. This nation is so stuck that only a crisis will change things.

Every leftist social engineering scheme is based on massive deficits and long-term devalued, printed money by the FED.

It would be ugly, but at least it would give power back to States and local communities, while they still have something left to build on.


10 posted on 03/04/2012 10:42:53 AM PST by PGR88
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This is the plan - create another crisis and take over more of our rights and our economy under the guise of “government” necessity to avoid a disaster.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 10:43:13 AM PST by Dapper 26
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Pass all these costs to business so they will stop offering insurance to employees and force single payer on everyone. See, we needed to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 10:47:21 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Wait till the government programs he’s creating go into action with the people who get hired to work them.

Of course it will be all the usual suspects, you know the ones that work ALL the government jobs so efficiently, the Democrats favorite picks for those jobs! Then you will REALLY see inefficiency.

Abbott and Costello said it best, Abbott gets a job in a bakery, loafing. He is in the union too!:

http://youtu.be/6ib9N7L9y08


13 posted on 03/04/2012 10:49:50 AM PST by Beowulf9
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Imagine how expensive it will be to pay for healthy people, like Ms. Fluke and her $3000 perscriptions, instead of concentrating on sick people.


14 posted on 03/04/2012 10:52:41 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: tobyhill
Only Idiots Didn't see this coming

That could read:

Only Liberals didn't see this coming, or only Democrats didn't see this coming, or only the media didn't see this coming, or maybe even only O Reilly didn't see this coming.....

15 posted on 03/04/2012 10:55:19 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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do I really have to say it???

16 posted on 03/04/2012 10:57:45 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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“House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., wants to know by Monday why the estimated cost of helping millions of middle-class Americans buy health insurance has jumped by about 30 percent for an eight-year period, from 2014-2021. “

Because it’s a definitive government contractor extortion racket. And the reason the push is for the Massachusetts Taxman, where at the state level the extortion would be only answerable to an “insurance” commissioner.

Extortion crime can take several forms. It can only be performed by a public officer, or the agent of a public officer:

The number one violation being committed here is extracting extortion “fees” of unequal value, and extortion by threat. (premiums, mandate fines, unequal waivers of discrimination, salaries), FOR SERVICES NOT PERFORMED.

Meaning there is never any clear definition of what “health” actally is. Thus, the contractor can always move the goal-post. And more. All, totally contradictory to U.S. values.

(This is includes dental and other services, co-pays, and all selective remedy of unequal values.)

If this goes through, very unfortunate that Americans may go the route of Icelandic response. You just can’t have extortion, period.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 11:05:34 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: tobyhill

“budget technicalities”

In other words, lies.


18 posted on 03/04/2012 11:13:14 AM PST by Brilliant
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The government-run Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Program [PCIP], which is already up and running, is costing MORE than DOUBLE per person than budgeted ...

BUDGETED $13K per person, COSTING $29K+ per person - so that ONLY 1/2 the number of people budgeted can be accommodated ...


21 posted on 03/04/2012 12:02:35 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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Bump


23 posted on 03/04/2012 3:31:18 PM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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24 posted on 03/04/2012 3:42:45 PM PST by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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