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Veterans and troops set to lose health benefits under Obama's budget: Increases up to 345%!
The Londaon Daily Mail ^ | February 28, 2012 | Meghan Keneally

Posted on 03/04/2012 3:30:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Concern is sinking in over the long-term effects of President Barack Obama's proposed budget cuts to military health care spending.

Critics say that by taking aim at the military health care program by adding additional fees and increasing required payments, the President is dishonoring troops and hurting the military's recruiting power.

The budget put forth by Mr Obama- which still needs to be approved by Congress before being enacted- would create $487billion in cuts over the next 10 years.

One of the biggest areas of contention is the increases of health care fees that specifically target military retirees by boosting their co-pay charges and deductibles.

Some reports cite unidentified administration officials as saying that they hope that the increases would put pressure on the retirees to opt out of their veterans benefits and sign up for the program put in place by President Obama's controversial Affordable Care Act which was approved in 2010.

'Would you stay with a car insurance company that raised your premiums by 345 per cent in five years? Probably not,' an unidentified congressional aide told Fox News, hinting that their plan to get veterans to sign up with other insurers would work....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: military; obama; obamacare; veterans
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Imagine if either of the Bushes, Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon had done this. And why do we have to hear about this from an overseas news source?
1 posted on 03/04/2012 3:30:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he has his way we ALL are going to lose our health benefits starting with the eldest and working it’s way down.


2 posted on 03/04/2012 3:38:32 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, we as a nation had the choice in 2008. We could vote for a Veteran or a freeloader for President. We got the freeloader along with his criminal pals.


3 posted on 03/04/2012 3:39:47 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the biggest areas of contention is the increases of health care fees that specifically target military retirees by boosting their co-pay charges and deductibles.

Please hear me out and don't flame me. Raising co-pays and deductibles is happening to everyone. It is a huge necessity because it makes a person really think before going to the doctor - the patient has a financial stake in the decision. This is being applied to all medical benefits, including the richest private plans as well as to plans for the poor (Medicaid). All I'm saying is before you pan this decision please read about it and think it through logically.

4 posted on 03/04/2012 3:43:59 PM PST by Brian_Candy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have I mentioned how much I hate this paper-hanging SOB we have soiling the Oval Office?


5 posted on 03/04/2012 3:45:47 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: blueunicorn6

I am an American Soldier...defender of freedom against tyranny

and when I enter the valley of death

for which I receive $7.50 a day for hazardous duty

and the angel of Satan appears at my shoulder

I will be resolute and fear no evil

And my Lord in heaven will guide my sword.

And if I am injured, and return to my family

I face health care benefits rising by 345%

6 posted on 03/04/2012 3:47:42 PM PST by spokeshave (Dole/McCain/Romney losers all....NEWT is da Man)
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To: Brian_Candy

You’re correct.
The country is functionally bankrupt.
We’re spending 1.40 for every dollar we take in.

Now we can argue about what we should spend the devalued currency on, but it doesn’t change the basic problem.


7 posted on 03/04/2012 3:51:23 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The President is dishonoring troops and hurting the military’s recruiting power.


8 posted on 03/04/2012 3:51:39 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the repblicans let this go through they might as well shut off the lights, give Obama the keys, and go back to shaking down their home towns.


9 posted on 03/04/2012 3:51:53 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: nascarnation

We are broke, correct, but until welfare thugs are no longer getting free phones, solar companies no longer looting the treasury, that fat hog not flying all over the world, the vets should be left alone.


10 posted on 03/04/2012 3:54:46 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a matter of balance. The money saved by reducing health benefits for troops can be used for contraception coverage for female law students at exclusive colleges.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 3:55:18 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Brian_Candy

Were you promised by your company that you’d get “free” healthcare for life if you’d risk your life? The military, especially the 20-40 year retirees were. Apples and oranges, FRiend. Wal-Mart, McDonalds and Apple don’t ask you to invade another country, take a hill, put out fires surrounded by jet fuel or go into villages surrounded by people who want to kill you. See the difference? Sears, Halliburton and the rest of the Fortune 1000 don’t promise to take care of you if you lose a limb or an eye in their service.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 3:55:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Brian_Candy

BTW, what do you do for a living and have you ever worn the uniform?


13 posted on 03/04/2012 3:57:57 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this comment true in that article? Why is this guy not demanding more for our military? He is comparing his chef son to someone who fought their country?

I get Tricare Prime healthcare. I will say to people who are complaining to stop. It is based on a person’s rank at retirement. I am not complaining because we pay $460 a year. While my son is a cook at a chain eatery who makes $12.00 per hour and pays alittle over $400.00 a month for a family of 4. Now I find that outrages. He used to get 2 weeks a yr vacation time. He has been there over 12 yrs and their bosses took away a week from the employees except for the managers. My dad and fathe-in-law both retired from the military at a time that they and their families got free health care for life. Now they can’t do it anymore. I don’t like having to pay for the health care but we are still better off then alot of people so stop complaining. I know I got our monies worth with all my health issues. If you don’t like it don’t take it. It is that simple.

- AFM, Cookeville,TN, 28/2/2012 22:37


14 posted on 03/04/2012 4:00:36 PM PST by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By the end of the year, our military will be about the same size as a relatively large Boy Scout troop and have an average age of 13.4 so they won’t need too much healthcare.

However, the POTUS will not be able to commit them to war without getting a permission slip from their parents!


15 posted on 03/04/2012 4:00:58 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just think how much more money could be saved if soldiers were required to buy their own bullets and bombs! I’m sure one of BHO’s academic genius’ will propose that next.


16 posted on 03/04/2012 4:02:23 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: OafOfOffice

There are Obamaites in the military and amongst veterans, too, sadly. Not every veteran is a conservative. Oliver Stone was in Vietnam.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 4:02:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The Chicago mob really knows how to play the game, don’t they?

They realize the military vote isn’t going to help them any, so that’s where to cut.


18 posted on 03/04/2012 4:03:16 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: DustyMoment

NAMBLA would love that!!


19 posted on 03/04/2012 4:03:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Brian_Candy

but it is not happening to everybody
unions are exempt
federal civil service (union) are exempt
congress are exempt
working age women are guaranteed FREE birth control and abortion

think about that

and before you advise us to go get a job or find a new healthplan, consider this

many of us did work second careers and our employers healthplans, knowing we were vets, insisted we use our vet benefits for primary coverage

this is happening to retirees ages 65+ while union workers who are exempted by cronyism are in their prime and still getting pay raises

not everyone 65+ sees doctor visits as a luxury we can cut back on by making it unaffordable, like it or not the body wears out and some parts just don’t work so good. We don’t go to the doctor frivolously. Do you?


20 posted on 03/04/2012 4:05:54 PM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: nascarnation

I have Obama , his family, those who voted for him, those who make excuses for him, those not committed to ousting him in november, and every single thing he represents.

He is a cancer on this nation.


21 posted on 03/04/2012 4:06:22 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I meant HATE!


22 posted on 03/04/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I don’t understand your post.


23 posted on 03/04/2012 4:10:54 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Brian_Candy
Sorry amigo, you opened a can of worms: Veterans got their healthcare the old fashion way; we earned it.
24 posted on 03/04/2012 4:13:21 PM PST by Texas Colonel (Get as close as you can...then get 10 yards closer..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have much of a problem with a modest increase in Tricare prices. After my husband retired, we paid $460/year, which is almost nothing when compared to comparable civilian policies. Now we get Tricare “free”, and I really wouldn’t mind having to pay modestly for the benefit. I do think that the junior enlisted should have their Tricare fully subsidized; heaven knows, they don’t earn much as it is.


25 posted on 03/04/2012 4:15:11 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I served honorably in the USMC. K Battery, 4th Battalion, 11th Marines.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 4:16:09 PM PST by Brian_Candy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I served honorably in the USMC. K Battery, 4th Battalion, 11th Marines.


27 posted on 03/04/2012 4:16:22 PM PST by Brian_Candy
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To: Brian_Candy; All
Sorry the vets should get the best health care.. They are the ones who is putting their life and limb fighting for this country..


28 posted on 03/04/2012 4:17:14 PM PST by KevinDavis (Ron Paul called Ronald Reagan a miserable failure.....)
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To: OafOfOffice

Comments like yours make the public think all retired military get $460 a year TRICARE prime and we’re bitching about paying more

Ain’t happening here, no TRICARE PRIME available for this retired family and annual medical bills with “free” TRICARE FL plus MEDICARE already run in the thousands and we are relatively healthy

I just don’t know what’s going to be left to give because every agency, every tax eater out there, thinks their increase is just a drop in the bucket we need to swallow, so raise property taxes, income taxes, state taxes, fees, water bill, electric bill, gas, now medical

So I will say to people who are ATYPICAL and fat dumb and happy with their bennies - stop thinking you are speaking for those of us who are not, can NOT be, in PRIME and have great cause to be alarmed

When your $460 goes to $2400 plus a big deductible plus big increase for meds, then get back to us.

And if you don’t like it, don’t take it, wth that means


29 posted on 03/04/2012 4:18:48 PM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: nascarnation

Read my second post. I post from an iPad and it does auto spell, which I can’t stand.


30 posted on 03/04/2012 4:21:10 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: DustyMoment

Actually in year 4 of the Baraqqi Depression, the military is one of the few viable employment options. The Chicago mob has that aspect covered also.


31 posted on 03/04/2012 4:21:57 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: GlockThe Vote

NOW I understand.

We gotta defeat Baraq in November, even if it winds up with Romney.

I’ll take a Mormon over a Muzzie any day.

Praying we get Newtie or Ricky Sweatervest.


32 posted on 03/04/2012 4:24:22 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Brian_Candy
Please hear me out and don't flame me. Raising co-pays and deductibles is happening to everyone. It is a huge necessity because it makes a person really think before going to the doctor - the patient has a financial stake in the decision. This is being applied to all medical benefits, including the richest private plans as well as to plans for the poor (Medicaid). All I'm saying is before you pan this decision please read about it and think it through logically.

So, you're 21 years old, and you are going to come here and enlighten us all with your vast understanding of veteran's health care.

Got it.

TRICARE is available to retirees. People who have been subjected to conditions that you simply don't understand. Conditions that take a harsher toll on the human body than their civilian counterparts have experienced... conditions that will likely make seeking medical care more frequently a real possibility.

But of course we want that veteran to "really think before going to the doctor". Let's make sure he/she has a "financial stake in the decision".

I recently lost an uncle who died an agonizing death due to exposure to Agent Orange back in the late sixties. His cancer came upon him suddenly, and he had very little time to burn up your precious dollars on his medical care. No one could foresee his situation.

I worry, because in '91 (about the time you were born) I was being forced to take an untested pill every day to supposedly offer some protection against exposure to nerve agents; weapons that my government ASSURED me (mistakenly) that I would subjected to. I was forced to take an injection against anthrax; an immunization that was STILL untested when it was used on troops again right after 9/11. Days were spent living in Kuwait, where the air was constantly black from the smoke of oil well fires, and the soot was in our food and water as well. Days without fresh food, adequate sleep, or even primitive personal hygiene. Never mind being shot at, or being in the vicinity of chemical weapons being destroyed, or clearing vehicles that have been destroyed by rounds made of depleted uranium.

Nah, no reason the troops who have endured those conditions should have any easier (or cheaper) access to a system to keep tabs on their health. Instead, lets jack up the premiums and co-pays so they will really "think" before going to the doctor.

Nobody is whining and crying because unlike my uncle, we were all volunteers. We went with the full knowledge and understanding of the situation we were going into. But we also went with the promise of our government that in return for the sacrifice, we would be looked after with regard to our health.

What are YOU willing to sacrifice, "Mr. Junior Staffer for Santorum"? (Yeah, I read your posting history.) Congratulations.

33 posted on 03/04/2012 4:28:49 PM PST by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, I’m sure that they’ll use the money they save by screwing Veterans to reduce the national debt instead of using it for something so blatant as buying votes for the Democrat party. Oh, that’s right......it is the Democrats....spend my money well little Democrat freeloader.....I didn’t mind defending you, but do you have to rob me as a way of showing thanks?


34 posted on 03/04/2012 4:32:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: EGPWS

This is just a preview of Obamacare.


35 posted on 03/04/2012 4:46:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PalmettoMason
Nobody is whining and crying

Now who is calling you a nobody? (duck'n & runn'n)

Seriously, taking care of at least service related issues is like the third rail of veteran politics. If this new system is not even caring about that, well that's Obama and the Rats and it's cold.

36 posted on 03/04/2012 4:50:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: exDemMom

I don’t mind paying a bit more, but from what I’ve read, I’m looking at paying $2000 in a year or two. And I wouldn’t mind that, except my retirement pay after taxes has gone down in the 4 years since I retired, and it looks like I’ll soon be paying for birth control pills for sluts at expensive law schools...


37 posted on 03/04/2012 4:51:51 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

The Cheerleader In Chief Of Sluts doesn’t care about your political anger


38 posted on 03/04/2012 4:54:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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39 posted on 03/04/2012 4:54:38 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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40 posted on 03/04/2012 4:54:52 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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41 posted on 03/04/2012 4:55:12 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Now who is calling you a nobody? (duck'n & runn'n)

Meant it as laying out facts. Sorry you took it as otherwise.

42 posted on 03/04/2012 4:58:26 PM PST by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re right. It’s clear they want to discourage retirees from using this benefit that they earned and were promised. I know. I know. It wasn’t written into the enlistment contracts, but virtually every recruiter promised free health care for life.

As you wrote, the risks of a military career are simply not the same as for most other employees. It’s not only that military members are in combat or sent to combat zones. They are also subjected to a wide range of additional health issues from overseas travel to less than sanitary regions. That’s why many were given all sorts of inoculations, to include combat warfare drugs. It wasn’t an option. You did what you were ordered to do.

Finally, I note with some interest the progressive scheme of the Obama premium increases. They just can’t let someone get a bit more $ than someone else. So you work your butt off to rise as high as you can in the military, taking on all sorts of additional responsibility, only to have your premiums increased. You get the same Tricare coverage as the next G.I., but you get to pay more for it because you had the gall to make rank!


43 posted on 03/04/2012 4:59:05 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I only recently started using the VA medical system. All of my copays on drugs are $8. Three of them I can get at Walmart or Target for $4. I’m doing a new means test next month and I’m probably going to have to start paying copays for office visits and medical procedures (hope I don’t need any soon). And I don’t make much.


44 posted on 03/04/2012 5:03:11 PM PST by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Indeed.

“TRICARE Prime annual enrollment fees for retired families (currently $520) would rise as high as $820 starting October 1, 2012, and rise to as much as $2,048 within five years, with fees based on military retired pay amount...

...Retirees and family members age 65 and older would start paying an annual TRICARE For Life (TFL) enrollment fee of up to $135 per person starting this Oct. 1. This fee also would be graduated based on retired pay amount, and would rise to as much as $475 per year within 5 years.”

http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2012/02/proposed-tricare-fee-increases-target-retirees/


45 posted on 03/04/2012 5:04:34 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Troops & vets should form unions. Barry loves union benefits.


46 posted on 03/04/2012 5:09:12 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Brian_Candy
Raising co-pays and deductibles is happening to everyone.

And it is happening to everyone for one reason: Obamacare.

Repeal Obamacare...and co-pays...and deductibles...and premiums...will retreat to more acceptable levels...for everybody.

47 posted on 03/04/2012 5:09:19 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I agree the country needs to roll back quite a bit of spending, but as you wrote, it's a matter of priorities. Military pensions and health benefits are earned. They aren't given to someone, like welfare, simply for being born or having children. As you well know, you have to sacrifice your freedom in order to fight for freedom, obeying the orders of those appointed over you and complying with all the additional rules and regulations of military service that are not expected of civilians. When they call you in the middle of the night and tell you to be on a plane to some third world hell hole in 4 hours, you go. So, yes. We need cutbacks, and I'm not even opposed to increases in Tricare fees. However, there's a whole lot of cutting that should be done first before we start asking on military members to shoulder more. That's pretty much the issue here. It's not so much that fees need to be increased. It's about the military being the #1 target for cuts while the crony capitalists, favored unions, and dependency classes apparently continue to get a free ride!
48 posted on 03/04/2012 5:10:25 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Brian_Candy

I think this guy might be a troll.


49 posted on 03/04/2012 5:21:54 PM PST by Texas Colonel (Get as close as you can...then get 10 yards closer..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He raises the budget to record levels and then cuts the crap out of the military as if he is doing something about the deficit. What an a**hat.


50 posted on 03/04/2012 5:28:11 PM PST by calex59
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