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Why I Apologized to Sandra Fluke
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | March 5, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/05/2012 10:29:09 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Scoutmaster

As to whether “slut” is defamatory per se, I haven’t researched it but if I were you I wouldn’t place too much reliance on earlier common law cases. If you can find modern cases holding this, then you have a stronger leg to stand on with respect to this point.

“Prostitute” if understood in the ordinary sense may indeed be defamatory per se as a crime, but as I point out in your other thread on this topic, in the quote I read Rush appeared to define this term by his context. I don’t think any reasonable person can understand his prostitute reference (at least in the quote I read) as meaning literally someone who provides sexual activities for compensation, when Rush was pretty clear that he was using that term to mean someone who obtains birth control pills paid for by the public in order to have sex. One could say a Senator is a “prostitute” for agreeing to vote for Obamacare in exchange for a special favor, but no reasonable person would understand that in the literal sense.

I did not hear Rush’s entire tirade. I have only read quoted portions reported in articles. But you need to be careful to separate unactionable opinion from actionable representations as to fact.

For example, calling someone “immoral” is almost certainly an unactionable expression of opinion and not a representation of fact.

As to other statements Rush may have made in his tirade (buying condoms in the sixth grade, having sex with three guys, etc.), I didn’t see those in particular but one would have to start with the issue as to whether any reasonable person would understand from the context that Rush was purporting to state literal representations of fact, as opposed to obvious hyperbole and sarcasm.


151 posted on 03/05/2012 4:38:55 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: sit-rep

I think you need to take a breath and read everything I have said in this thread.

****Some of you people over the years have made me sick. You wonder why we are losing? Because you superior intellects cause 10 times more damage than good to our cause. Bunch of crybabies who start tantrums when things don’t go their way. Where the hell is this bitterness against the left? Against those who truly need correcting? Damned bunch of arm chair generals anonymously being big shots behind a computer screen. You all outta be ashamed of yourselves for being morons. Rush is the only person we got who tells it AT LEAST 90%. And AT LEAST 90% of the issues. WTF do you do??****

WTF back at ya.

If you read my very first post, I said I was unhappy that he has given the left more ammo to use against him and against us.

I am a listener of Rush, a support of him and his style.

You need to get a grip.


152 posted on 03/05/2012 4:38:55 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Scoutmaster

“How would Fluke’s statements before the Democrats put the frequency of her own sex life into issue and make it relevant for public discussion?”

I think you have a threshold problem as to whether the statements can be reasonably understood as intending to be a literal factual representation of Fluke’s particular sexual activities.

I read the following quote as to what Rush said:

“What does it say about the college co-ed [Sandra] Fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says she must be paid to have sex? What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We’re the pimps — the johns. No, that’s right — pimp is not the right word.”

Note that here he is referring to the public as “johns” (and not pimps) in his analogy. Obviously this cannot be reasonably understood as purporting to say that Rush and I and other taxpayers are literally having sex with Fluke.

From the context clearly that is hyperbole and not literal, and it’s probably too far of a stretch to claim that Rush was intending to be understood literally when his tirade so clearly includes hyperbolic statements.


153 posted on 03/05/2012 4:54:10 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: GOPJ

I said they fell far short of any reasonable definition of whoredom. Did you read what I wrote?


154 posted on 03/05/2012 5:23:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: GOPJ

I said they fell far short of any reasonable definition of whoredom. Did you read what I wrote?


155 posted on 03/05/2012 5:24:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Kaslin

... and ending Socialism. A failed system. Apologies never work.

156 posted on 03/05/2012 5:57:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Jvette
His mistake was in making it personal and I didn’t hear him say that was his mistake, but rather that he used words that were inappropriate.

Oh?

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

It seems to me that he DOES acknowledge making it personal, but it was not his INTENTION to do so.

157 posted on 03/05/2012 6:46:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jvette

;^)


158 posted on 03/05/2012 6:47:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GraceG
I liked his apology it more or less exposed their own tactics back to them.

I thought his 'apology' was a bit reserved; but his apology 'explanation' was powerful; doing what you said.

He KNEW that EVERY ear that had a brain connected to it would be listening today.

Excellant Deal with it and move on tactics!

159 posted on 03/05/2012 6:52:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It sure isn’t the second worst word with the women I know.

AMEN!

But; Number One is still...

You look FAT in that dress.

160 posted on 03/05/2012 6:54:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sit-rep
Ahhh im wastin my friggin time....

Not on ME!

I'm going out in the yard and eat worms!

161 posted on 03/05/2012 6:56:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster
None of them were true.

They colud be; but we do not have the 'evidence' in hand.

162 posted on 03/05/2012 6:59:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: papertyger

Try bein’ a guy with a screen name of ELSIE!


163 posted on 03/05/2012 7:00:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GOPJ

“What word should people use to describe a female law student who uses - on average - 60 condoms a week?”

If you’re nice, a slut, if you’re truthfull a whore!


164 posted on 03/05/2012 7:06:59 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Kaslin
The slut and prostitute thing didn't bother me. What creeped me out was how Rush wanted people to post their sex tapes online so people could watch in return for the payment of birth control.

How did that thought even get into his head? That's just sick.

165 posted on 03/05/2012 7:07:40 PM PST by turn_to
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To: Elsie

Bwahahahaha!

I bow to your superior irony!


166 posted on 03/05/2012 7:17:33 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Elsie

I stand corrected. I had focused only on him saying he had used inappropriate words, words that the left uses and he does not like that he sunk to their level.

Amazing how we see and read the same thing and yet see and read things differently.

Mea culpa, lol.

See, I can apologize too!


167 posted on 03/05/2012 7:35:16 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Revolting cat!

After she does an ad for Subaru.


168 posted on 03/05/2012 8:24:57 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: GOPJ
"Professional" is about as polite as it gets. It is still a euphemism for "prostitute."

I really don't care who she screws. But I don't want to pay for it and I couldn't afford to even if I was OK with it. Seems to me that sort of expense should be charged as part of her "fees." Maybe it would help if someone showed her how to generate an invoice?

169 posted on 03/05/2012 8:37:44 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: turn_to

You are lying. Rush did no such thing and you know it. I suggest you crawl back under your rock from which you crawled out from


170 posted on 03/05/2012 8:58:42 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: hopespringseternal

She strikes me as a ‘trust fund baby’... maybe she should ask her parents for the money.


171 posted on 03/06/2012 2:00:56 AM PST by GOPJ (Democrat-media complex¬óburied stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Jvette
Amazing how we see and read the same thing and yet see and read things differently.

Indeed!

I am quite surprised at some of the words that flow from my fingers, onto the screen, that I did NOT think as I typed them!

Usually it's the first couple letters in the word I was thinking, but an entirely different one shows up!

And, as I quickly proofread (yeah, sure) my output on the PREVEIW; I miss it too; until about 3 seconds after I hit the POST tab!

172 posted on 03/06/2012 3:53:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jvette
Amazing how we see and read the same thing and yet see and read things differently.

Yup; that's what makes Bible Study so interesting at times, for we find things in a familiar verse that have ALWAYS been there, but we've somehow never seen them before!

173 posted on 03/06/2012 3:55:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Lurker
Bite me. Limbaugh is a p****. Breitbart would have told her to kiss his lilly white backside and called her a slut again. I'll say it again. Limbaugh is a p****.

Couldn't agree more. RIP Andrew Breitbart. He had no qualms about "sinking to their level" He LOVED their level. Relished it. In other words, My kind of guy.

174 posted on 03/06/2012 4:04:06 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Kaslin
To: turn_to

You are lying. Rush did no such thing and you know it. I suggest you crawl back under your rock from which you crawled out from

170 posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 11:58:42 PM by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)

To: Kaslin
 
The slut and prostitute thing didn't bother me. What creeped me out was how Rush wanted people to post their sex tapes online so people could watch in return for the payment of birth control.

How did that thought even get into his head? That's just sick.

165 posted on Monday, March 05, 2012 10:07:40 PM by turn_to

 
 
 
 
Like Animal Farm; some "quotes" are more 'equal' than others.
 
 
 
He said, “So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.”   http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/rush-limbaughs-attack-on-sandra-fluke-was-hate-speech/2012/03/02/gIQAZVxrmR_blog.html
 
 
So Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch." -Rush Limbaugh, March 1, 2012   http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/rushlimbaugh/a/limbaughquotes.htm
 
 

Concentrate for a moment on what Mr. Limbaugh revealed about himself when he also said:   [I]f we’re going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.      http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/rush-wants-to-watch/44534

 
He went further the next day, adding, "if we're going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/rush-limbaugh-sandra-fluke-sex-slut_n_1316625.html

 

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Folks, if you ask 'em -- if you ask 'em -- the Washington, DC, Department of Health will send you free condoms and lube. The DC Department of Health free condoms and lube if you just ask 'em for it! So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/01/left_freaks_out_over_my_fluke_remarks


175 posted on 03/06/2012 4:18:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: southern rock
 Relished it. In other words, My kind of guy.
 
 
AMEN! 

... one of Churchill's finest oratorical moments.

Turning once again, and this time more generally, to the question of invasion, I would observe that there has never been a period in all these long centuries of which we boast when an absolute guarantee against invasion, still less against serious raids, could have been given to our people. In the days of Napoleon, of which I was speaking just now, the same wind which would have carried his transports across the Channel might have driven away the blockading fleet. There was always the chance, and it is that chance which has excited and befooled the imaginations of many Continental tyrants. Many are the tales that are told. We are assured that novel methods will be adopted, and when we see the originality of malice, the ingenuity of aggression, which our enemy displays, we may certainly prepare ourselves for every kind of novel stratagem and every kind of brutal and treacherous manœuvre. I think that no idea is so outlandish that it should not be considered and viewed with a searching, but at the same time, I hope, with a steady eye. We must never forget the solid assurances of sea power and those which belong to air power if it can be locally exercised.

I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government — every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_shall_fight_on_the_beaches


176 posted on 03/06/2012 4:25:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: a fool in paradise
After she does an ad for Subaru.

I'll bet there is one in the works as we speak:

"Don't be labled a SLUT.

Drop cable: not trou."


"The Question is..."

177 posted on 03/06/2012 5:12:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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