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Dear GE, GM and Obama: We're Not as Dumb as You
Townhall.com ^ | March 6, 2012 | John Ransom

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:54:17 AM PST by Kaslin

When GE announced at the end of February that it would be bailing out General Motor’s green car strategy by ordering 12,000 electric-gasoline powered Chevy Volts for their fleet, it was more than just Government Electric doing a solid for Government Motors doing a solid for the Government Owners in the Obama administration.

Rather it was an admission of failure by the monetization arm of the Green Conspiracy to control market behavior.

While GM bet that Volt would be “a magnet around everything we are trying to do to showcase our brand,” so far it’s been a millstone for the government-controlled car company. GE, for their part, has been buying up alternative electric schemes around the country to support what they suppose will be burgeoning demand for electric power, fueled by electric cars, fueled by federal tax dollars.

Yet new data indicates that consumers are getting tired of the green-sales hard-sell by corporations, governments and general do-gooders.

Because, despite years of governments, corporations and general do-gooders spending huge dollars on marketing, public relations and soft sales to get consumers to accept “green,” it turns out that 99% percent of Americans still do what makes the most economic sense for themselves and their families.  

And economic sense doesn’t include buying electric cars, despite the huge government subsidies involved in trying to offset total ownership costs.

While it’s true that you can toddle down the road cheaper in a car that buys its fuel per kilowatt hour than you can on a car that runs on gasoline, when you figure out total cost of ownership, including battery depreciation, electric vehicles, as represented by the Chevy Volt, are 43 percent more expensive to operate than gasoline alternatives.

That partially explains why Government Motors decided not to initially market their cars to hard-bitten fleet managers who pay attention to the bottom line and nothing else.

But, unfortunately for Obama, consumers can do math too.

“Consumer support for clean energy concepts,” reports Fierce Energy, “from renewable energy to alternative fuel vehicles to smart grid technologies -- has declined significantly between 2009 and 2011, according to a new survey from Pike Research.”

The survey polled 1,000 adults and found that support for 13 clean energy concepts dropped from 50 percent in 2009 to 43 percent in 2011. And while 7 points may not seem that big, the survey only measured verbal support for clean energy concepts, not economic support for them.

By any economic measure, alarm bells ought to be going off for all the Big Generals in on the Big Government scam.

Fleet World, the publication of professional fleet managers, says that electric vehicle (EV) sales haven’t kept up with the rosy predictions for the EV market made by people who are paid to make rosy predictions on clean energy trends.

“Prior EV market predictions by leading consulting and research institutes have been proven wrong by the slow sales of EVs in the market,” says Fleet World. “Analysts have now begun to re-evaluate their judgments for market trends, presenting a more realistic view that the global EV market will probably endure slower growth in the near future.”

Slower than what? Slower than the already glacial growth?

Fleet World reports that “cars21.com...the industry platform for electrified vehicle experts worldwide” has completed a new study that has analysts slashing expectations for electric vehicle sales by 50 percent or more through 2025.

IDTechEX, for example forecasted that “35% of all cars sold would be electric vehicles” by 2025, while Pike Research believed the EV market would grow to “2.9 million vehicles by 2017.” In the wake of poor sales, however, analysts are taking a hard look.  

“Boston Consulting Group revised its prediction for electric vehicles to make up between 6% to 8% of overall vehicle sales in 2020, [and cut it] to now 5% or even less. Morgan Stanley reduced its forecast for global EV market shares by 2025 from 8.6% to 4.5%.”

In fact, 65 percent of auto executives surveyed by Cars21 “don’t expect sales of electrified vehicles to exceed 15% of annual global auto sales before 2025.”

That’s because despite much ballyhooed research efforts, significant advances in the economics of the battery technology that powers electric vehicles have remained elusive.

While some, like Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk thinks that battery costs will drop under $200 per kilowatt hour by 2015, for now, prices of batteries are closer to $400 per kilowatt hour, with a replacement Volt battery coming in relatively cheaply at $8,000 compared to $31,000 for the Nissan Leaf.  

So, in the best case scenario, we’re three years away from the next big break for EV batteries. And now that the federal government is involved you can count on that we’ll always be “just three years away.” 

Because we’ve given it three years and, according to Obama, we’re still three years away from seeing the benefit of the feds being involved in General Banks (TARP), General Houses (FHA), General Colleges (Sallie Mae) and General Healthcare (Obamacare), as well as General Motors and General Electric.

When running for president, Obama said fixing the economy would be a one-term proposition. Then just last year, in March of 2011, Obama said it would “take us several years for us to get back to where we need to be." Now he’s claiming privately that it will take another year or two.

With the economics surrounding all the “general” brands that the government is supporting -with tax dollars that neither you nor I can afford to pay- we’ll always remain “just three years away.” 

And thus, Obama might be the first president to run for reelection under the slogan, “Three more years, three more years, three more years!”

If only.

Update:  A group of European journalists voted today to give the Volt the car of the year award. I guess they showed us dumb Americans a thing or two- way to stick that thumb in our eye,  morons.

Writes Wired: "Still, the fact that the car is selling slower than expected didn’t dampen the enthusiasm of the 59 judges, from 23 European nations, who gave the Volt and Ampera top honors. The car is, frankly, an engineering marvel and a true technological step forward, points the judges made."

Yeah. So was the Paige Typesetting machine. Never heard of it? Thought not.

But seriously, the world wide elite is much stupider than we give them credit for. Their stupidity however is surpassed by their venality and arrogance.

And that's what makes them so dangerous, not just to America, but the entire world.   


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: automakers; bhoenergy; electriccars; fundingtheleft; generalelectric; generalmotors; hybrids

1 posted on 03/06/2012 5:54:18 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I wonder how much the taxpayer will be stuck with when GM
starts producing natural gas trucks?


2 posted on 03/06/2012 5:58:07 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Kaslin

Unmentioned is the growing market for stolen batteries. A battery stolen from a relatively new Volt might fetch a high price in a year or two.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 5:59:06 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kaslin

This has nothing to do with “dumb”. These people are evil, not stupid.


4 posted on 03/06/2012 6:03:35 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: bert
Unmentioned is the growing market for stolen batteries. A battery stolen from a relatively new Volt might fetch a high price in a year or two.

How would you know if it was stolen for a "relatively new volt"?

5 posted on 03/06/2012 6:07:16 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: ILS21R

for = from


6 posted on 03/06/2012 6:08:23 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: Kaslin
Hey GM, got a friend considering buying a new truck - about as big as they come. He's a boating/fishing/camping enthusiast, tows a camper and a boat (legal in our State).

He's looking at replacing his current truck with a new one. 4x4, crew cab, diesel, dual rear wheels. Probably a 60K or more vehicle when he gets it to spec. He's not even considering a Chevy. Not going to any websites, not even driving by any dealerships. In fact, you could say the same about Dodge too. In other words, he's just looking at Fords... The only thing he'd use a Dolt for would be to crush one and use it as a block to help level his camper.

So go play with your little Dolts GM, there's a whole conservative market out there that has passed you by.

7 posted on 03/06/2012 6:15:33 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ILS21R

Look on the hour meter.


8 posted on 03/06/2012 6:23:16 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kaslin

Heard a story on NPR today about an electric car factory in Elkhart IN http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1072600_indiana-think-electric-car-plant-stilled-owners-quiet-on-future

They make a very small electric car called the “Think”. It claims to get 100 miles on a charge. I thought, “hey, that might be great for my wife. She only drives 15 miles to work every day. Then they said the car was $40,000. HAHAHAHAHAHA...deep breath...HAHAHAHAHA!

And the car plant was supposed to be the future that would diversify the city’s economy away from the motorhome business.

Oh, and the plant was supposed to employ hundreds, if not over a thousand. Actual number of employees? 2. Yeah, Two. Two point zero or 2.0.

The local take out pizza place employs more people than that.


9 posted on 03/06/2012 6:23:51 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin
While it’s true that you can toddle down the road cheaper in a car that buys its fuel per kilowatt hour than you can on a car that runs on gasoline

Energy content of gasoline is 36.6 kWh/US gal so at $4.30/gal you get 11.7 cents/kWh. This is about the same price as "low tier" electrictiy. Assuming a gas and electric car are about the same milage efficiency, it is a wash.

10 posted on 03/06/2012 6:25:43 AM PST by super7man
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To: Kaslin
What got my attention was the replacement battery costs for the Leaf - $ 31,000.

Why should I by an EV and have to pay for a “new” vehicle every time I replace the battery pack? Let's look at the math - let's a 2012 Leaf will need a replacement battery pack around 2018 (a year after the warranty expires). The car has minimal value with an expired battery pack. So, I am going to “invest” $ 31,000 in a 6 year old car. Why?

It makes sense to buy a new vehicle so I have some small chance of getting a decent trade in when I replace it in 5 to 6 years (assuming that there isn't another “cash for clunkers” program).

11 posted on 03/06/2012 6:26:07 AM PST by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: ThunderSleeps
This story is the first mention of the quantity of cars GE supposedly wants to buy that I recall. If 12000 is true, then taxpayers are on the hook for 90 million $ in rebates, 120 million if Bambi gets that rebate bumped to $10,000 per Dolt. If I was running for President I'd be hammering Bambi on his Immelt connection, after all GE didn't pay a dime in Fed. taxes last year.
12 posted on 03/06/2012 6:31:25 AM PST by DAC21
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To: Kaslin

Here is the problem: It’s winter, you run the heater so as not to get frostbite or worse. You get 25 miles on a charge. You have 300 miles to drive. If the recharging stations are exactly 25 miles apart you can make the trip with 12 recharges. Each recharge takes 8 hours. That’s 96 hours on chargers plus 6 hours on the road or 102 hours, about 5 days, to make the trip which should take 6 hours, assuming you don’t sleep.

Nobody would be dumb enough to buy such a contraption.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 6:36:23 AM PST by Voltage
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To: Kaslin

If GE is buying 12000 Volts why is GM shutting down Volt production, another big lie??


14 posted on 03/06/2012 6:40:55 AM PST by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Kaslin
GE, for their part, has been buying up alternative electric schemes around the country to support what they suppose will be burgeoning demand for electric power, fueled by electric cars, fueled by federal tax dollars.

This is the important fact here, folks!

With the EPA closing electric power plants operating on coal, there will be an electricity shortage soon.

In walks GE who owns all sorts of alternative electricity production facilities ready to receive federal emergency grants to compensate for the lack of electricity in our nation.

15 posted on 03/06/2012 6:47:48 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Kaslin

Look for a major documentary to hit artsy theaters this fall.

“Who Killed the Electric Car: Part II”. It will be a huge conspiracy theory involving Rush Limbaugh, the Koch Brothers, Chevron, Haliburton, Dick Cheney and NASCAR.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 6:55:53 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Voltage

Think about the planet 8-)


17 posted on 03/06/2012 7:16:33 AM PST by USAF80
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To: super7man

We replaced all our vehicles with 2011, E85 ones. We cannot fill up with gasoline unless it’s an emergency, like being on empty and miles off base. The vans get less than 15MPG on E85.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 7:20:43 AM PST by USAF80
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To: super7man

It’s only a wash if you get 100% efficiency in converting the energy content of gasoline into locomotion. Unfortunately, efficiency is typically closer to 20%.


19 posted on 03/06/2012 8:02:23 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Kaslin
GE announced at the end of February that it would be bailing out General Motor’s green car. Wonder how many government contracts GE will get from Obama?.
20 posted on 03/06/2012 8:52:23 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: green iguana

A gallon of gas will get many cars 25-30 miles down the road, rain or shine, summer or winter.

A fully charged (8 hours plugged in) Volt battery will carry that car MAYBE 40 miles, on a good day going downhill with a tailwind.

You’re quite correct, it’s NOT a wash, it’s a WASHOUT!


21 posted on 03/06/2012 11:27:15 AM PST by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
He's looking at replacing his current truck with a new one. 4x4, crew cab, diesel, dual rear wheels. Probably a 60K or more vehicle when he gets it to spec.

Saw one of those a couple months ago. Big black monster of a truck. It had vanity plates that read 8AHYBRD. I laughed the whole way home.

22 posted on 03/06/2012 11:47:08 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Voltage

iow the government can limit and control your mobility.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 3:11:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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