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Newborn dies after reportedly contracting herpes from controversial circumcision ritual
Fox News ^ | March 5, 2012 | Fox News

Posted on 03/06/2012 2:57:58 PM PST by James C. Bennett

A two-week-old infant died at a Brooklyn hospital in September after contracting herpes through a controversial religious circumcision ritual, the New York Daily News reported.

As part of the ultra-orthodox Jewish circumcision ritual—known as metzitzah b’peh—the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth.

The brit milah (pronounced bris), otherwise known as circumcision, is a rite of passage in the Jewish faith, though different groups follow different sets of procedures. The Rabbinical Council of America endorses the practice of using a sterile glass tube between the mohel’s mouth and the baby’s wound for the more orthodox metzitzah b’peh procedure. For less conservative Jews, the baby’s skin only comes into contact with surgical tools.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circumcision; genitalmutilation; judaism; metzizahbpeh; mohel; rabbi
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Two-week-old baby who died of herpes 'contracted disease through circumcision'

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Last updated at 5:20 AM on 4th March 2012

EXCERPT:

The latest casualty of the tradition was the unidentified boy who died at Maimonides Hospital in Brooklyn, New York in September, according to the Daily News.

His official cause of death was 'disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction'.

The identity of the mohel - a religious official who specialises in circumcisions - is unknown.

This is not the first time that an infant has died as a result of the ultra-Orthodox ritual of metzizah b' peh, which is the practice of using the mouth to remove blood. A baby boy died in New York in 2004 after undergoing the ceremony.

Health experts have criticised the ritual on the ground that it involves 'inherent risks' to infants' health. However, the practice seems to have originated as a way of avoiding infection by cleaning the open wound.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109965/Two-week-old-baby-died-herpes-contracted-disease-circumcision.html#ixzz1oNcx2FtB

1 posted on 03/06/2012 2:58:04 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

“the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth.”

I wonder if the rabbi will get charged with sexually molesting a child.


2 posted on 03/06/2012 3:01:16 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: James C. Bennett

Sad. But I suspect that there is a touch of antisemitism behind this story. There seems to be a growing movement on the left to abolish the practice of circumcision entirely, as we saw recently in San Francisco.

One case after eight years in NYC, with its numerous hospitals. How many other people have died in those hospitals from accidental infections? And are they sure this was the cause of the infection?

If so, then I hope they will deal with the problem sensibly.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 3:06:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: James C. Bennett

Sad. RIP.


4 posted on 03/06/2012 3:07:29 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: James C. Bennett

It sure sounds like they don’t take mohels with herpes or other contagious diseases out of this kind of service. Catching the germs from an infant might be one thing, but giving it to one is another.


5 posted on 03/06/2012 3:09:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Cicero

If this is ginned up by anti’s, it would seem they targeted the subgroup that does the suction directly by mouth without even the recommended sterile glass tubing. That was a disaster waiting to happen with or without the anti’s.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 3:12:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: James C. Bennett

That is one truly bizarre ritual. I was raised a Baptist and have seen more than my share of those, as well as endured countless hours of indoctrination I wish I had back, but that one is the grand prize winner.


7 posted on 03/06/2012 3:15:45 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: James C. Bennett

And this is news why?


8 posted on 03/06/2012 3:29:36 PM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: Cicero
NY City and Brooklyn Hosp. just paid out 18 million to a woman who lost both her hands and feet to an infection that Brooklyn Hosp. missed. The woman came to the Hosp. complaining of pain in her kidneys and the Hosp. sent her home with some pain meds and told her it was probably kidney stones. The next day she awoke in terrible pain and was rushed to another Hosp. where she lapsed into a coma. When she awoke from the coma she found that they had to amputate her hands and feet as they turned gangrenous.
9 posted on 03/06/2012 3:35:30 PM PST by JimC214
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To: JimC214
Well...I'd like to know the details.

Mistakes do happen. And we can do very best that we can do...but still have bad outcomes.

FWIW-

10 posted on 03/06/2012 3:41:12 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Cicero

No, this was traditionally the way cricumcision was done and there’s nothing anti-semitic about it. Contact with blood was considered a contamination, making one ritually impure, so only designated people could do this. While non-orthodox mohels generally don’t do it that way now, this is simply because of Western distaste for the idea.

One of the problems with the ultra-orthodox is that, like Muslims, they live two lives. One life theoretically conforms to an enormously complicated ritual code, and the other is basically what they give themselves excuses to do “off the books.”

A member of this community was recently nabbed in NYC for killing his wife, which he thought he’d get away with because the ultra-orthodox don’t allow autopsies. She was found dead in the bathroom...but it turned out, when her family learned that he had taken out a huge insurance policy on her and they then requested an autopsy, that she’d been strangled.

Evil is everywhere. Orthodox Jews can be infected with it just as easily as anybody else, and if the mohel had herpes, I’d say there was a problem there.


11 posted on 03/06/2012 4:00:12 PM PST by livius
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To: James C. Bennett

Judaism has abandoned scripture for tradition which leads to abominations like this. Jews, especially their leaders, are supposed to know the difference between clean and unclean —holy and common. They obsess over whether it is OK to turn on a light on the Sabbath, while remaining in the dark always when it comes to the meaning of scriptures. Many keep separate dishes for meat and milk and never let them be together in the same meal, just to keep tradition. But they can’t, as a group, seem to separate truth from error when it comes to politics and morality.

Of course I am speaking generally, not about every Jew.


12 posted on 03/06/2012 4:07:03 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: James C. Bennett

This practice is weirdo horse manure. It needs to end.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 4:08:15 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: James C. Bennett
A lot of people really like the First Amendment -- until they encounter some religious practice that is "just wrong". Then all of a sudden religious freedom is supposed to take a backseat to ... 1) common sense 2) common decency 3) modern medicine 4) something else.

Personally, I think followers of a religion older than mine can go ahead and do what they want, whether I agree with it or not. It's not for me to say. Or for anyone to say.

14 posted on 03/06/2012 4:12:22 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: James C. Bennett

Per Wikipedia, “The traditional reason for this procedure is to minimize the potential for postoperative complications”.

If its not commanded, then just do a non-oral circumcision. This is creepy, but I’d rather have orthodox Jews here than a muzzie within 10,000 miles of me.


15 posted on 03/06/2012 4:20:51 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Cicero

I am battling a staph infection I contracted over 2 years ago when my mother was a patient at one of the top teaching hospitals in the US. Hospitals are dirty places.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 4:30:05 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: JimC214; Osage Orange; Cicero

Septic infection. My money is on MSRA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus).


17 posted on 03/06/2012 4:37:09 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: James C. Bennett

I think this mouth thing is barbaric and should be halted. It is not a necessary Jewish custom. Only a tiny group still do this.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 4:42:31 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorums 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: unlearner

My favorite orthodox rabbis bring the dichotomy up all the time. Ultra orthodox sometimes their priorities mixed up. No sin is good. They would rather die than eat non kosher, but they might cheat someone in business or make their wives feel bad. People are people ni matter how frum / outwardly religious.


19 posted on 03/06/2012 4:46:21 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorums 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: livius

Herpes simplex is a common viral infection. If you’ve ever had a cold sore or fever blister, you picked up the herpes simplex virus. Most cold sores are caused by herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1).


20 posted on 03/06/2012 4:51:57 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: kalee
The concentration of nasty germs in a hospital is because no one goes to be admitted unless they are sick to begin with...but some employee's don't follow good health practices....the simplest one and doctors are great at not doing so, is washing hands between patients...Also picking up 4 or 5 charts to go see their patients and putting them on the bed while they examine the patient and talk with them...many people, even visitors don't go by the rules for patients in isolation, they don't like putting on a paper covering, mask in some cases or gloves and in fact take into a patients room germs that may cause patient with low resistance to catch something from outside...

But yes, there are some hospitals that don't follow their own protocols for cleanliness....

Hospitals are a good place to stay out of, by their very reason for being in the first place....illness and sickness.

Staph and strep can be very stubborn, they are all over the place but don't belong in the human body, they can wreck havoc.....

Hope you get your under control and have it gone...

21 posted on 03/06/2012 5:03:13 PM PST by goat granny
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To: kalee

Just so. Hospitals are full of infections, and patients often pick up new ones while they are in there. Maybe the Rabbi was responsible, and maybe not. Even if the infection was obviously located where the circumcision took place, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Rabbi’s action was responsible for it.

It just seems typical of our MSM that they pick up on this story, when there have been hundreds and thousands of other cases of hospital infections and deaths that go unmentioned.


22 posted on 03/06/2012 5:03:24 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: livius

No, of course I wasn’t suggesting that the circumcision was anti-semitic. I was commenting on the possible attitude of the editor or reporter who went with this story.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 5:06:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Agreed. I had no open wounds although I do have a compromised immune system which is why I picked up the staph. I had to be there though because my mother was dying and I had to keep an eye on her care. I saw and prevented things from happening to her that would curl your hair.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 5:31:31 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Yaelle

I have to agree with you. It just seems to stand out more with Jews because God chose to give them the Law (and Prophets, etc.). Every Jew I have ever known is extremely smart. Jews have more patents per capita than any other demographic. One of my Jewish friends is an inventor with multiple patents.

They are smart to a fault sometimes. Most people I know choose to drown out their conscience with music, entertainment, alcohol, or other pleasure-seeking endeavors. Jews seem to use intellectual pursuits to distract them from their consciences.

It’s a little like the Catholics, with all their rituals to distract the mind from feelings of guilt - chanting, repetitive prayers, rosary beads, endless pomp and ceremony. But the Jews are better at it. They fixate on a topic and explore it, and beat it to death, especially spiritual and Biblical subjects, all the while ignoring the Law God wrote on their hearts.

Yes, we all have this problem; at least those who have not completely drowned out their consciences. It just stands out more to me with Jews. Reminds me of Adam and Eve wearing fig leaves. What did they think? That God wouldn’t notice? Simultaneously, it was a little too much but not really enough.


25 posted on 03/06/2012 7:35:23 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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