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Wikileaks: Stratfor analysts think bin Laden was not buried at sea
Human Events ^ | 3/6/2012 | John Hayward

Posted on 03/06/2012 3:19:18 PM PST by IbJensen

WikiLeaks has been releasing emails pilfered from Stratfor, a private global intelligence firm. One email thread in particular has been grabbing headlines today, even though it was actually disclosed last week – The Journal has a story dated March 1st about them.

In this exchange, Stratfor’s vice-president for intelligence, Fred Burton, discusses the disposal of Osama bin Laden’s corpse with CEO George Friedman, and suggests he thinks the official account of bin Laden’s burial at sea is false.

These were internal and confidential emails, sent between the officers of a private firm. They’re big news today because a hacker group stole them, and handed them over to WikiLeaks. There probably isn’t much point in tut-tutting everyone about eagerly taking part in this forcible violation of privacy, but it’s interesting to observe that many of those feasting upon Stratfor’s data today would, on any other day, profess themselves deeply concerned about violations of their digital privacy. Why is anyone who frets about the Patriot Act more comfortable with privacy that exists only until a group of hackers – appointed by no one and accountable to no one - decides to violate it?

Stratfor CEO George Friedman released a statement about the hacker attack on his company’s systems, which he called “a deplorable, unfortunate – and illegal – breach of privacy.” He said this was “a direct attack on Stratfor” designed to “silence and intimidate the company,” and also warned that “some of the emails may be forged or altered to include inaccuracies.” One of the reasons he made this statement was that a fraudulent email supposedly announcing his resignation gained wide circulation on the Internet.

Friedman said Stratfor would not validate any of the leaked correspondence, because “having had our property stolen, we will not be victimized twice by submitting to questions about them.”

Now that global media organizations are writing about the bin Laden exchange, there’s no way to un-spill the milk. If Stratfor sticks to its guns and refuses to confirm the validity of the leaked data, we’re left to consider the conversation on its merits, and wonder if the participants – who are well-connected private analysts, not government officials – actually had access to information concealed from the rest of the world.

In the leaked email exchange, intelligence VP Burton expressed a bit of skepticism toward the official story of bin Laden’s aquatic corpse disposal. A few hours after the raid on the old monster’s compound, Burton said “Reportedly, we took the body with us. Thank goodness.”

25 minutes later, he sent an email declaring “Body bound for Dover, DE on CIA plane. Than [sic] onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda.”

An hour later, Burton once again says he “doubts” bin Laden’s body was dumped at sea, because “we would want to photograph, DNA, fingerprint, etc.” the remains. He discusses the similarity of the bin Laden situation and the death of Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann with company CEO George Friedman, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, and a student of military history. Friedman points out that “Eichmann was seen alive for many months on trial before being sentenced to death and executed,” although his body was then cremated to avoid creating a shrine for Nazi die-hards. He thought this was very different than “suddenly burying [bin Laden] at sea without any chance to view him, which I doubt happened.”

Burton agrees with this analysis, and says “the US Govt needs to make body pics available like the MX’s do, with OBL’s pants pulled down, to shout down the lunatics like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.” I can’t speak for Jones and Beck, but I would like to assure the Administration and the U.S. military that I really don’t need to see that photo.

Fred Burton, in addition to his position at Stratfor and a career in counter-terrorism at the State Department, is also a published author. According to his author bio at MacMillan, he has appeared on Glenn Beck’s show. I haven’t been able to find audio of the appearance, but perhaps Beck will discuss it during his radio show today. It’s not impossible that Burton would nevertheless regard Beck as a “lunatic” on par with Alex Jones, or that he has come to view Beck that way since his last appearance on the show, but it seems a bit unlikely.

A few hours later, an email Burton declared, “Body is Dover bound, should be here by now.”

Once again, we don’t know if this email exchange is genuine, and even if it is, we don’t know if Burton was addressing solid information. The entire leaked conversation between Burton and Friedman happened within eight hours of bin Laden’s death, when a lot of very excited people were saying a lot of different things. The Obama Administration ended up revising the official story of bin Laden’s death something like forty times over the following week.

It’s quite possible these leaked emails are frauds. It is also possible that they are genuine, and Fred Burton was both sincere and misinformed. The decision to release this information to the public was not made by the owners of the Stratfor data, experienced security analysts, or highly trained counter-terrorism officers, but by anonymous hackers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: binladen; binladenbody; evilregime; getbooutofus; liar; obama
It is very unfortunate but I do not believe anything that comes from Obama's mouth, that is to say, you know when he is lying, it is when he speaks. What a sad commentary on the office of the President of the United States, which was once highly revered by most Americans.

I would have Osama in the ground, face down, with his butt pointed toward Mecca and a greasy pork sausage stuck therein. Film the whole thing. Completely unmarked and unknown location, then put the film on you tube.

1 posted on 03/06/2012 3:19:23 PM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
I never thought he was either, the whole scenario (as described) sounded a little fishy, if you'll excuse the pun.

You don't just pop a terrorist leader you've been after for years, went to war over, and who masterminded 911 and throw him on a boat and run and dump him in the water.

The whole thing sounded as phony as obama birth certificate story.
2 posted on 03/06/2012 3:23:53 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: IbJensen

Of course he wasn’t buried at sea. The administration played a SNL “Because You’ll Believe Anything” moment for us!


3 posted on 03/06/2012 3:27:46 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: IbJensen

Actually, I heard they dumped his rotting remains in a pig pen at some farmer’s place in North Carolina. The farmer had to call the vet as four of his pigs got sick and died and the others were put in the vet’s hospital with several internal injuries.


4 posted on 03/06/2012 3:28:43 PM PST by RetiredArmy (POLITICIANS: Promise the moon. Deliver the shaft.)
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To: IbJensen

Sounds like a non story to me. The Stratfor guys are speculating. I don’t see any corroboration for Burton’s statement that the body was “Dover bound”


5 posted on 03/06/2012 3:30:17 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: IbJensen
Drudge had this story up about 5 minutes this am and then pulled it. I would guess it is one of those made up Internet stories.
6 posted on 03/06/2012 3:32:04 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: IbJensen

Very badly handled, both from the viewpoint of our national interest, and as propaganda for Obama’s re-election campaign.

Although I guess he knew he could count on the MSM to blare from time to time what a great hero Obama is for getting bin Ladin, after Bush failed to do so. Never mind any inconvenient or missing details.


7 posted on 03/06/2012 3:32:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: IbJensen

“Stratfor analysts think bin Laden was not buried at sea”

Me either. I think hussein took him to a taxidermy place since he was personally responsible for bagging the creep. :)


8 posted on 03/06/2012 3:33:07 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: IbJensen

Ebay...


9 posted on 03/06/2012 3:34:18 PM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: IbJensen

Osama is alive and living in Brazil with Mengele and Hitler.


10 posted on 03/06/2012 3:36:56 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: IbJensen

What?! Obama LIED?! Damn, that shatters my whole image.....NOT!


11 posted on 03/06/2012 3:46:49 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Don Corleone

No he’s not. He’s living in a rest home in Texas with Elvis and JFK.


12 posted on 03/06/2012 3:49:35 PM PST by SkyDancer
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To: IbJensen

“Hagfish are eel-shaped slime-producing marine animals (occasionally called slime eels), that average about 18” in length. They are the only living animals that have a skull but not a vertebral column. They are sometimes called ‘the most disgusting creature in the sea.’

“Hagfish can exude copious quantities of a slime or mucus, and can feed upon and often even enter and eviscerate the bodies of dead and dying/injured creatures much larger than themselves. They are known to devour their victims from the inside.

“Hagfish are typically found in large clusters on and near the sea bottom, and will typically swarm a larger carcass as it descends, creating substantial amounts of slime to keep away other scavengers.”


13 posted on 03/06/2012 3:53:26 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: FrankR

You don’t just pop a terrorist leader you’ve been after for years, went to war over, and who masterminded 911 and throw him on a boat and run and dump him in the water.

The whole thing sounded as phony as obama birth certificate story.

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Agreed completely. I was offended that Obongo thought I’d believe that horse$hit story.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 3:57:00 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: IbJensen

Mind you, if **I** had been President, his head would have been preserved, stuffed, mounted, and hung on the wall of the Oval Office. And the rest of the corpse sewn inside a pigskin, immersed in liquified pig fat, then burned to a powder, and baked into pork-infused bricks. Then put those bricks into the foundation of the new WTC and over at the Pentagon. . .

. . .but that’s just me. . .


15 posted on 03/06/2012 3:59:49 PM PST by Salgak
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To: IbJensen

setting up seal team six never made sense. there was no reason

but if osama was captured alive and not killed... then it all makes a bit more sense.

and really, what good muslim would kill osama if they could avoid it (while removing a valuable source of information against a distributed cell network)


16 posted on 03/06/2012 4:02:54 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Don Corleone
Osama is alive and living in Brazil with Mengele and Hitler.

No way, he's running a convenience store in Chicago. Mayor Rhambo stops there every morning for coffee.

17 posted on 03/06/2012 4:03:17 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: IbJensen

“I would have Osama in the ground, face down, with his butt pointed toward Mecca and a greasy pork sausage stuck therein.”

You have a way with words, sir. LOL!


18 posted on 03/06/2012 4:13:40 PM PST by carriage_hill
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To: IbJensen
Wow, I need to read things more carefully, I thought you said:

"I would have Obama in the ground, face down, with his butt pointed toward Mecca and a greasy pork sausage stuck therein. Film the whole thing. Completely unmarked and unknown location, then put the film on YouTube."

Wouldn't that be a terribly disrespectful thing to do to the Kenyan Usurper, err, I mean the _Resident of the United States?
19 posted on 03/06/2012 4:23:56 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: IbJensen

Multiple false flags always camouflage the truth....


20 posted on 03/06/2012 4:25:23 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: All
Hmmmm...why can't we release the Swishy WikiLeaker and get him to work on all the locked-down birth, education and written documents of Øbama, this illegal regime and who in the criminal enterprise, otherwise known as the Democrat Party, are responsible for this cover-up?

Put this creep's skills to some good use...

21 posted on 03/06/2012 4:56:27 PM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: IbJensen
This post in the Comments section nails it for me:

(Balto2) Considering that Osama had kidney failure, I do not believe he was alive for a long time. Kidney failure and if on dialysis, extreme hygenic souroundings and procedures need to be followed closely. A hole in a mountain or hovel like he supposedly lived in would not be sanitary and when this body was removed, was there dialysis equuipment there. If not, then it is my thought that was not Osama that was shot. If he had received a kidney transplant, then he would have been on antirejection meds, a lifetime requirement.

22 posted on 03/06/2012 4:56:32 PM PST by Misterioso ( If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject. - Rand)
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To: IbJensen

I believe he was buried under tons of rubble at Tora Bora back in 2001. After that raid all I ever recall seeing were grainy still photographs of him and hearing wretched copy-of-copy-of-copies cassette tapes. Before the raid he seemed rather happy making and distributing nice clean videos of himself giving us the Islamic finger.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 5:40:50 PM PST by GunningForTheBuddha (DC is like a car full of clowns off their meds.)
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To: SkyDancer

Then who was it that was wrapped in bacon and rolled off of EL3?


24 posted on 03/06/2012 5:48:41 PM PST by twister881
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To: IbJensen

Oh, his body was buried at sea alright. But part of me also hopes that a certain SEAL team member also personally delivered a small Styrofoam cooler to a certain ranch in Texas, where a small intimate “burial” ceremony took place.

I’d like to think so. :-)


25 posted on 03/06/2012 5:57:29 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Squantos
Multiple false flags

Where do we even begin?

26 posted on 03/06/2012 6:19:23 PM PST by giotto
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To: SkyDancer
He’s living in a rest home in Texas with Elvis and JFK.

Oh heck no! We'll keep JFK and Elvis, but that ######### can't stay here!

(BTW- Neat profile page!)

27 posted on 03/06/2012 6:20:48 PM PST by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Sarajevo

Hi, and Thanks. It’s a movie, about Elvis and JFK living together in a rest home in Texas called Bubba HoTep. Bubba Ho-tep is a 2002 American comedy horror drama film starring Bruce Campbell as Elvis Presley — now a resident in a nursing home.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 6:27:10 PM PST by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

Bib Laden/Linsanity....Never seen at the same time....


29 posted on 03/06/2012 6:34:03 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: IbJensen

30 posted on 03/06/2012 6:56:46 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: IbJensen

Revelation 13:3


31 posted on 03/07/2012 7:03:18 PM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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