Skip to comments.Ohio Republican Primary [Romney Takes Ohio]
Posted on 03/06/2012 9:35:37 PM PST by RobinMasters
2012 Primary Process
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Rick and newt needs to get together and cream Romney.
Now it’s on to Alabama, Mississippi, and Kansas. I’d be surprised to see Romney win any of those contests.
Here’s the latest:
Romney 37.94% 442,486 votes
Santorum 37.11% 432,890 votes
Gingrich 14.56% 169,800 votes
Paul 9.24% 107,739 votes
Perry .62% 7,199 votes
Absent Gingrich, Santorum would beat Romney one-on-one. Absent Santorum, Gingrich would beat Romney one-on-one. Together, they’re giving him the nomination.
Romney and his Super PAC outspent Santorum and Gingrich and their Super PAC’s 10-1, and Romney barely carried the state, and did not come close to beating Santorum and Gingrich combined. That’s a LOSS. It shows that Romney can’t close the deal.
How can Romney beat Obama, if he can’t do any better than this, even after outspending 6-1, and 12-1 in Ohio?
People need to wake us and realize that Romney is NOT the candidate who can win against Obama.
“How can Romney beat Obama”
By continuing to be Hillary.
MassachusettsMandate is the other democratic candidate, the race war in the democratic party continues.
The FR Golden Gate Plan! is the "GOP Brokered Primary Now!"
Our good conservative candidates do NOT need to "drop out". We need to work together!
*2. Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee;
Brokered Primary Now! = Secure Conservative Nomination for the GOP Convention
Then use the next 5 months of campaigning to determine the best Conservative Nominee.
=>>> Full Details - Post 55 Says It All... on the "Brokered Primary Now!" thread.
TBP & All - See Post 10 above... - GOP Needs Brokered Primary Now! Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee;...
* As much as Sarah says this is "Spirited Competition", I don't see it changing Obamney's Stripes, no matter how much White Wash we put on it. With all do respect, Really Sarah?
* With all his Negative Add's and tons of money he can barley close the deal with us what the heck is he gonna do nationally?
* And what president does that set with Romney, throw more money at it?
* Like many here I can't pull the lever for him, especially after growing up in MA and watching the cradle of Liberty turn into a former Soviet Satellite State, and he did nothing to stop it, in fact he made it worse.
* He ain't got the chops for he job period, that is my gut feel.
* He can't close the deal.
* And while he becomes the place holder for Cultural Conservatives, he has become "Santuckabee" and is now a spoiler that will give us another McCain, and keeps a real conservative from rising to the top.
* Let us be honest, A conservative Jewish Professor friend of mine noted his religiosity gets under peoples skin and we noted he comes across as the annoying Junior High Hall Monitor.
The Last Conservative Standing is Newt, and is the only one with the chops and the balls to speak about what needs to be done and it scare the crap out of the Establishment.
His long ball is trying to get the next 3 states and really throw into a brokered convention. The sad part of it is the Cultural Conservatives can't get beyond his historical relationship issues and the fact that he actually maybe a "reborn" Newt. That is their problem, but it has shot us in the flippin foot'. So much for redemption and forgiveness ( go ahead flame away...)..
Levin was lementing last night something is wrong with the "process". While the EGOP has lost all control of it, it is what they want, it is their dysfunctionality and I say it again, it is time for a new party, their toast and don't even know it. At this point that is like blaming the local Chevy Dealer's Showroom is improperly Decorated and that is why the Volt is not selling.
Are candidates are beginning to look like a trailer full of Volts...
yeah....one of them have to leave NOW.
I'm not going to let obama just walk into the next four years. If Mittens is the candidate then I'll pull the lever to have my vote at least count against obama. I'd rather do that than say I sat on my hands and just let him take it without my vote against him. Anybody but Obama!
“Like many here I can’t pull the lever for him”.
What the heck does “pull the lever” mean? I’ve punched ballots and touched screened, but have never ever seen a pull lever machine for voting?
Yes it is the fill in dot, but it used to be a lever at the time Newt one with the “Contract with America”.
We dream if we think Mittens isn’t going to be the nominee (not that I want that!). If Santorum AND NEwt stay in the race it is a given Mit wins. The only thing to hope for is that he will pick Newt or Santorum for running mate, but with Hannity and others pushing Marco over and over who knows.
ALSO just heard yesterday that Newt’s Super Pac Sugar Daddy is really a Mitt supporter and is bankrolling Newt to stay in the race in order to drain votes off Santorum. It does ring true...sort of...why would ANYONE keep pumping millions into Newt at this point with NO chance of getting the nomination? How can you ethically spend multi-millions on a campaign that does nothing but drain votes off the other conservative choice?
Perhaps there is already an agreement between Newt and Mittens?
Did Santorum place on the ballot in every county?
If not, he would of kicked Romney’s ass.
What if Newt wins the next 3 Deep Southern States in a gob smack win style? What does that say about Romney? IMHO he is really damaged at that point. I am not given up hope yet...
History may show that Santorum missed his chance by a few thousand votes in both Michigan and Ohio. A 1% swing in Ohio and a 2% swing in Michigan, and the headlines would be reading “Romney on the Ropes”. Santorum is by no means out of it, but as long as he’s splitting the conservative vote with Gingrich, I think Romney is going to continue squeaking out victories in the big states. Romney will likely limp to victory, but he’ll be doing so without an ounce of enthusiasm from the Republican base. Not a good scenario for a man who is going to have to take on the master of hyperbole in November.
That is true the conundrum is he never had it because he is not with the base, again ya can't repaint this Zebra....
...why would ANYONE keep pumping millions into Newt at this point with NO chance of getting the nomination?
I sincerely disagree that Speaker Gingrich has no chance at the nomination. And there is only one chance of a combination of two of the four candidates combining on a ticket that could unite the party and beat the democrats - that is Gingrich (at the top) - Romney as VP.
“How can you ethically spend multi-millions on a campaign that does nothing but drain votes off the other conservative choice?”
Most conservatives do not trust Rick Santorum as a true conservative. This is due to several factors and his record.
“Perhaps there is already an agreement between Newt and Mittens?”
I don’t think at this time there are any agreements between the candidates. Those will come at the convention, when the representatives of the people - the delegates - are asked to select the ticket.
They didn’t stop crusading papism.
Santorum lost because CATHOLICS voted by huge margins for Romney.
Cincinnati and Cleveland, where Santorum lost the state, are huge Catholic centers.
The Catholics went for the Mormon. Unbelievable.
Say what you will about Santorum, but he’s up front about his faith, and he’s an unapologetic Roman Catholic. His OWN turned against him in huge numbers.
As an Ohioan, I am terribly disappointed this morning that Santorum lost because Catholics went for Romney.
Conservatives are killing each other, and it has gone on long enough now that I must begin to believe that one or both want Romney to win.
Are they Cafeteria Catholics or do they like me find him annoying at times and something in your gut tells ya he ain't got it...
You make great points, and I hope you are right! Yet, based on Newt’s finishes last night he can’t win enough of the remaining primaries to pull out a win. He can make a splash, and so can Rick, but the ONLY possible chance Newt or Rick has to win the nomination is if one of them pull out right now. A three person race goes to Mittens.
Look at the remaining primary schedule. Even if Newt could “run” the south he is highly unlikely to pick up anything significant in the NE, the West and midwest.
Rick is in the same boat. Due to his social conservativism you can count him out in the West and NE. He does have a better chance then Newt in the Midwest, but that is unlikely in states like IL and WI.
With both Newt and Rick in the race they will split the southern vote (Like TN and GA). I’m not trying to be downer, but barring a miracle (i.e., Newt or Rick drop out now) Mittens will have the nomination by June. Seriously, if someone can give a logical alternative I’m totally ready to change my opinion, but the bottom line is...
“Rick and Newt both stay in gives Mittins a win.”
If there is a realistic pathway to something different then share it.
Shades of the Clinton - Bush presidential election when the little general syphoned of 20% of the votes.
You are assuming that the path to the nomination is through gaining enough committed delegates through the pre-convention primary process to make having a real national convention a joke, like it has been so many times in the past. Not this time.
From what I have been hearing this morning, at this time, there is no way that Newt or Rick can win enough delegates to win the race. With both still in, neither will be able to win and overtake Romney because Romney will also be winning many more states.
Looks like conservatives screwed the pooch once again:(
I agree. If obama is re-elected and the country totally deteriorates and falls into chaos, I don't want that on my conscience. I will be voting against obama for my grandchildren no matter who the nominee is. I could never hate Romney or anyone on the planet as much as I do the fraud currently occupying our WH.
I haven’t seen the post-Super Tues delegate count. But if you add Gingrich and Santorums delegate numbers together are they more than Willards?
Just don’t see that happening. Just simple math...the numbers don’t add up with the remaining states and their typical political leaning. The Southern states are really the last stand for widespread conservatism; however, the West, NE and much of the Midwest is a wide mixture of everything, and “everything” states will lean towards Mittens. Ohio is fairly conservative, far more than WI or IL or PA and Mittens still got the edge.
It is only wishful thinking at this point for a brokered convention, or a Mittens loss, unless either Rick or Newt leave...the sooner the better.
At this point both those guys have been so savaged by the press (and would/will continue to be so) that I don’t see how they can mount a realistic challenge to overcoming the Mittens smear machine with both in the race. One of them has GOT to GO!
If not just get use to the idea that Mittens will be the nominee come June.
Well, does your gut tell you that Romney's got it?
Because it was a simple math problem yesterday. In Georgia, Santorum voters should have been voting for Gingrich, and in Ohio Gingrich voters should have been voting for Santorum.
Had that happened yesterday, Romney would have won ONLY Massachusetts and Idaho.
Everywhere else, Romney lost 60%+ of the vote, but still won the state.
That makes this conservative weep.
Heck no, he just rubs me wrong on so many levels I don't have hours to type! Yes I am one of those that can't pull the lever for Romney, I grew up in MA and he changed nothing, he made it worse.
McCain pickup up 13 million votes with Sarah, left 6 million out their that didn't go to the polls for him.
How many of those 19 million will be excited to vote for Romney? We are soooo screwed...
No, but they put together larger combined vote totals than Mittens in many places where he won a plurality and got the delegates. So if there were one instead of both, that combined vote would result in many more delegates.
Gotta love how Drudge is bemoaning how “MSM DOWNPLAYS ROMNEY WINS...” as one of the lead headlines.
It's almost as if mit's whole campaign is a creation of the hussein administration. It's a crap product, that requires spending several hundred million dollars to convince us all just how good for us it is.
How can Mitt win when the only demographics he does well in are the same ones that are Obama’s base...women, the wealthy, ones with advanced college degrees? He doesn’t do well with lower income folks, non-college graduates, men, conservatives. So Mitt is starting out with no base and forced to try to chip at Obama’s base to get any base at all. Last election already proved to us that the conservative, anybody-but-Obama bunch is not enough to win an election with.
Catholics are part of the Democrat base so it’s not surprising they’d go for Mitt just like all the other Democrat demographics do. Very few Catholics practice their faith the way Santorum does. The pundits who say he comes off more like an evangelical are right.
After seeing that Ron Paul got 40% of the vote against Romney in a one-on-one in Virginia, it’s impossible to believe that either Santorum or Gingrich wouldn’t get a lot more than 50% against him in a one-on-one in moderate/conservative states.
It's a given that both camps will hold that as a possibility. Probably just waiting it out to see who gets the delegates and the top spot.
Your point is spot on.
That map of Ohio was very telling. CNN showed that hussein and mit took pretty much the exact same counties, same demos.
So the questions becomes which would have more appeal to that demo. White waxworks, or young black guy. There is no other difference between the two.
My money is on young black guy because that target demo just has to prove how “enlightened” they are.
There is or was a big Mormon operation in Kirtland, OH. OH is Mormon-friendly and may help to explain Romney’s win, but I think it’s still mostly our little Republican primary voters wanting to pick “the winner.” Mathematically, it’s over for Santorum and Gingrich.
You are asking our little Republican primary voters to exert critical thinking that is simply beyond them.
Traditional voting machines had levers to move across the bar to cast the ballot. Now the touch screen has made levers obsolete.