Posted on 03/07/2012 1:15:04 AM PST by wintertime
From the quality of your posts, I **know** that you are qualified.
Honestly...with today's homeschooling resources anyone ( even an illiterate) can do an excellent job of homeschooling.
Before ruling out homeschooling, please get the **facts** about what is needed to homeschool. Please contact your local homeschooling group. Talk to their leaders, and visit homeschooling families. You will be mightily surprised at how qualified you and your wife really are.
You can find local homeschooling groups through your community library or go to the Homeschool Legal Defense Association website for lists of groups near you and your daughter.
Finally...even if you live 40 miles apart, isn't your grandson's very **life** and eternal soul worth make some changes?
Please, please, please pray about what I have written.
Re: “They were not state or government schools, when I growing up they were public (our) schools.”
They weren't your school. They were the schools of the most powerful voting mob or faction, and the religious, political, and cultural worldview of the voting mob or faction was established in the socialist-entitlement K-12 schools. Any Catholic who attended Catholic schools in the 1950s or earlier can confirm this for you.
Also...Mc Donalds is public. Anyone from anywhere can go into McDonalds and receive service. Socialist-entitlement K-12 schools aren NOT public. Socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling is highly restricted to those defined as eligible by the government. Ask any parent who has been forced to move to find a safer socialist-entitlement k-12 school or who has had their child bused by government assignment.
Re: The lukewarm religion offered in your socialist-entitlement government K-12 school:
I see posts like yours often here on Free Republic. Many of our generation, who attended government schools, believed they were receiving a religious education in their government school. I think they believe this because they did not have a truly Christian education by which to make a comparison. They are like fish swimming in secular water. They can't see the secularism.
Yes, there was some Protestant-based Christianity in the government owned and run schools but it was **generic** and not based specifically on teachings of a unique denomination.
I, too, attended government schools ( one of the best in the state) for 11th and 12th grades. Yes, there was morning prayer ( Protestant version), the chorus sang occasional religious music ( almost always Protestant in origin). Christmas was celebrated, and the Christian teachers did have influence over the content of the curriculum.
BUT! There was a **HUGE** difference between this generic Protestant Christian worldview in the government school and my first 10 years of Catholic schooling. HUGE difference! And...I am willing to bet that there was a HUGE difference between the generically Protestant worldview of our socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling and that of a truly Christian Baptist K-12 school of that era.
Next....Public schools are and always have been socialist-entitlements and they are compulsory for all those children whose parent can not pay the ransom, ( jizya or dhimmi) to rescue them.
So?...What are the problems with the above:
1) Children who attend generically lukewarm Christian schools ( government or private) risk learning to be lukewarm and generic about their religion. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of his mouth!
2) Children who attend today's godless schools ( government or private) **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom, read the textbooks, and finish assignments. How could it be otherwise?
3) Children who attend socialist-entitlement K-12 schools risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. Hey! Any voting mob that is powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is also powerful enough to give them lots of “free” stuff.
In just one to three generations of socialist and secular K-12 schooling our nation elected Woodrow Wilson with his failed “one world” League of Nations, Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal, and Lyndon Johnson and his Great Society.
I must disagree with much of the rest of your post because your post suggests that government schooling is reformable. Gee! if we could only return to some magic time in the 20th or 19th century the socialist-entitlement K-12 schools would be fixed is the reasoning. Unfortunately they would soon devolve to today's standard because the foundation upon which it is built is rotten. It would be inevitable that our government K-12 schools would eventually again become evil because:
1) socialism is evil and all government owned and run K-12 schools in this nation are socialist-entitlements. At first Obamacare won't be that bad because of the professionalism and training of those still in the system. But...In a generation or two we will read posts that say, in the 2020s we had good socialist-entitlement health care. If we could only go back to the way Obamacare was run in the 2020s then our socialist-entitlement health care would be fixed. Few citizens ( even conservatives) will ( like the fish in socialist water) be able to recognize that the problem is socialism, and the solution is privatization.
2) It is evil for government ( the voting mob) to force secularism ( or any other religious belief) on children. All schools (this includes socialist-entitlement schools) have a NON-neutral religious worldview.
3) it is evil for the voting mob to force their neighbor to subsidize and establish their religious ( now godless), political, and cultural worldview.
And....Again, I do believe you are good, honest, and earnest man, and I have tried my very best to be respectful in every way.
This is typical KC. I’ve lived here all my life and this is nothing new. KC is a democrat stronghold..hell Cleaver is our Rep. This city has the most racist blacks that I’ve ever seen...they think they own the city. It’s turning into a cesspool at a rapid clip.
I must strongly diagree with you on so much fault finding and setting youself in the place of God in judging all to be luke warm. (Apparently you judge all non-Catholics.
I do not want my children (now grand-children) to worship statues, nor set Mary the mother of Jesus to be equal to God and even above Jesus Christ.
I do not want to follow a man that has been declared infallible, nor to be praying to the dead nor for the dead.
About the 7th grade, the Catholic children began to attend our public schools. I was shocked that they could curse so often and so good, especially using God’s name in vain.
The Roman Catholics owned all the Liquor Stores, night clubs, and beer joints at that time.
So I’m not easily persuaded for and in the Roman Catholic brand of Christianity.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour, and I know He was weithout sin, and I know He will present Me and all true believers.
No Church saves, no Priest saves, no Pope saves,no preacher saves, no Evangelist saves, salvation is of the Lord.
John 1:12 says: “To as many as receiced Him[Jesus] to them gave He the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.”
Romans 10:13 says: “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
1 Peter 1:23 says:” Being born of the Spirit, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.”
1 John 5:12 says: “He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”
Ordinances and man made rituals will not give salvation to man, Only our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ, who was made sin for us, who had no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)
And...I am willing to bet that there was a HUGE difference between the generically Protestant worldview of our socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling and that of a truly Christian Baptist K-12 school of that era. ( wintertime)
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Respectfully, I hope that you did not miss the sentence that I wrote above.
I would also encourage you to find a person of your generation who attended a Christian private school of **your** denomination. Compare and contrast the differences in the quality, quantity, and specificity of religious practice of the Christianity present within the entire curriculum and school experience of the religious school and socialist-entitlement K-12 school.
I would suspect that you would find great differences between your secular socialist-entitlement experience and that of a fellow church member who attended a church school of your denomination.
Next, I am **not** Catholic. Although I have differences in belief with Catholics, many of which you stated, I still respect them as believing Christians. Our nation would be, in my opinion, far stronger if all Catholic children received a truly Catholic and conservative education.
Finally, I urge you to prayerfully approach all issues that I addressed in my previous post to you.
Thanks for the info on Catholic schools. Doesn’t affect
me personally but one needs to know.
I agree, our public schools have gone to the pits. But it was not so with its foundations.
Martin Luther[in 1620] said: “I afaid that schools will prove to be the great gates of hell unless they deliigently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures, engraving them in the hearts of youth.
“I advise no one to place his child where the Scriptures do not reign paramount. Every institution in which men are not increasingly occupied with the Word of God must become corrupt.”
When my wife of 54 years[today] taught in the projects [1970-1980] and found a great side benefit in teaching the Bible to these students: “It was they learned to read, then they became good students, and completed their education, some even through college.”
In 1965 we had a rise of CHRISTIAN EDUCATION. MY 2 SONS WERE BORN IN 1966 AND 1975 then, our daughter in 1973, so we were in the middle of new changes in education.
Let’s not give them one damn inch. Drive them back into the ditches they belong! It’s our tax dollars, our schools!
It’s our tax dollars, our schools!
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The government schools belong to the voting mob or voting faction that has the greatest amount of political muscle.
A good first start would be to begin the process of complete separation of school and state and complete privatization.
My bet is the black parents, dysfunctional as they may be, want better and safe schools too and want their children prepared to succeed in the world beyond the ghetto.
Everything that socialism and secularization touches goes to the pits. We will see the same horrific pattern with Obamacare as we saw with government owned and run education. At first it won't be so bad due to the values of the workers trained under our current system. In a generation or two is when the real horror will begin.
And.....Many conservatives will pine for the day of the 2020’s when health care was still decent, and complete fail to recognize that it was godless socialism and worship of the state that destroyed our hospitals, clinics, and medical and nursing schools.
AGREED!
We know: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:1-3)
Let us read and memorize Romans 13:1-14; especially “But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.”
Greetings, LetMarch.
There are some big differences between Catholic and Protestant beliefs, but certain Catholic beliefs are misunderstood. First of all, Catholics honor Mary but do not place her as equal to God or Jesus. Secondly, we do not pray to statues. There are many other misunderstandings about the Catholic faith; you might find many of your questions answered right here.
Ironically, my experience was the opposite of yours: I tried the protestant Christian churches but was disappointed by the bad behavior I witnessed. Then, at one church, another woman and I were accused of bigotry because we believed in traditional marriage. That is when I decided to come home to the Catholic Church. Fortunately, I kept an open mind and have met some very nice protestants since then. But, if I'd based my opinions on my earlier experiences - and if not for some of the nice people here on FR - I probably would never have been open to meeting and trusting them.
Nice reply. Sadly many keep repeating the same canards about our beliefs.
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