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Santorum, Gingrich Two Man Debates
Free Republic ^ | Nevuary 33, 2084 | Gulfbreeze

Posted on 03/07/2012 9:06:52 AM PST by GulfBreeze

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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Let's face it, you can't win against or without the fundamentals.

You're right. But you've also got to give Santorum credit for being a fast learner. Two weeks before Iowa, he was not nationally known. And he's the clear Romney alternative now. Let's see what he does between now and the next biggest set of primaries on April 24.

51 posted on 03/07/2012 10:47:27 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: napscoordinator

It’s tough to take a strong side after last night. It was devastating for both of our sides. Other than pointing out reality or the facts, you won’t hear much from me, until we see how the rest of this unfolds.

Your position is as good as any, and I certainly won’t try to discourage you. I am now a spectator, who’s purpose it is, to reflect reality and nothing more. Good luck to you, it sure can’t hurt to have hope!


52 posted on 03/07/2012 10:49:01 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: tentmaker

Paul is a commie little punk. I am stunned that people continue to buy his snake oil BS.


53 posted on 03/07/2012 10:50:18 AM PST by GulfBreeze (Still a Santorum guy !)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Thank you. For once you’re too smart to refute the truth.

You’re done alright.


54 posted on 03/07/2012 10:54:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Vigilanteman
[But you've also got to give Santorum credit for being a fast learner.]

I agree with part of that analogy, but Rick had the entire 10 months prior to where he finally took off, to get organized, seek knowledge on how to prepare for the election, etc,,. No fault to you, but that lack of preparation is what will be his biggest set back. And Romney knows it.

You are right to wait and see what develops. It is about all we can do at this point.

55 posted on 03/07/2012 10:58:33 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I agree. If one of these two doesn’t step aside VERY soon and we end up with Romney, then I hope they both become pariahs to the whole conservative movement until the end of their days.

I support Santorum as I believe he has a more consistent track record of conservatism and because I believe Gingrich is not very electable in the general. That’s not a slight and there a good number of people who believe just the opposite.

This plan represents the best alternative and really the only way they could POSSIBLY both stay in and not lose the whole d@mn thing to Romney.


56 posted on 03/07/2012 10:58:36 AM PST by GulfBreeze (Still a Santorum guy !)
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To: Vendome

I’m down with that. Newt’s muh man but Rick is my backup
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Ditto.


57 posted on 03/07/2012 11:01:19 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: GulfBreeze; All

This is the way it happens almost every time. The Conservatives spilt the Conservative votes in the Primaries and the lone Moderate ends up with the nomination. (John McCain comes to mind.) One of them (Rick or Newt) needs to GO!!! I like Newt, but hell, it’s time they drew straws or something.


58 posted on 03/07/2012 11:07:18 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: marron
in both cases Newt had a way of elevating his debate partner. In both cases they came off well. Newt has that quality about him.

He sure does. Newt is gracious. His ammunition, his FUEL, is good ideas which others can only steal or copy.

Newt reminds me of that old Jay Leno commercial where Jay says (with a smile) not to worry if you run out of Doritos because "we'll make more."

Newt never runs out of new ideas because he humbly honors the SOURCE of his good thinking, which is unlimited.

59 posted on 03/07/2012 11:08:28 AM PST by b9 (Newt is substance. The others are talking points.)
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To: Yaelle
The problem is that newt is not dependable, and he’s not really a good person. He is too selfish to represent us or be a trusted steward of the presidency. So another debate wouldn’t change that. America won’t learn to love him more. I realize that newt supporters seem to hate Santorum.

You really need to stop. How do you know if Newt is a good person or not, selfish or not, worthy of trust or not? Oh, I know - as a sanctimonium supporter, you, along with you corrupted candidate, have staked out the territory of determining whose good and whose bad...

read the following... if you have enough courage. It is filled with FACTS about Santorum, and then answer me this question:

What does it say about a man who presents himself as THE principled candidate, and does something like this, to American veterans, and what does it say about the people who support him because they consider him the most principled candidate...

I think once they seen the evidence the people can decide who's principled and who's not... please just answer my question... thank you very much. And if you can't or wont' answer it, maybe it's time to shut up until you can defend your candidate's self-righteous pronouncements and his past record... much of it so far uncovered..

Pious 2



60 posted on 03/07/2012 11:09:16 AM PST by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The moment I woke up this morning and took a hard look at the statistics, reality came on like a double espresso!
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And, what is that reality? I’m serious; I’d really like to know. Please don’t say the reality is that Romney WILL be the nominee.


61 posted on 03/07/2012 11:13:04 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: no dems

-——This is the way it happens almost every time. The Conservatives spilt the Conservative votes in the Primaries and the lone Moderate ends up with the nomination. (John McCain comes to mind.) One of them (Rick or Newt) needs to GO!!! I like Newt, but hell, it’s time they drew straws or something.-——

If Newt doesn’t win any of the southern states coming up, he better drop out, or he will have a lot to answer for.


62 posted on 03/07/2012 11:26:12 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

What were the statistics... I trust your judgment... but then is all this bogus or irrelevant? I mean sincerely?

PRIMARY: Popular Vote/Soft Pledged/Soft Unpledged/Soft/ Hard Total

Rom: ….3,242,740, 39.20% …(314)17.36% …(72)15.09% …(386)16.89% ….(302)13.21%

Santo: 2,087,454, 25.23%/(92) 5.09%/(67)14.05%/(159) 6.96%/(79)3.46%

Ging: 1,818,548, 21.98% /107)5.91%/(13) 2.73%/(120)5.25%/(96)4.20%

Paul: ……….,927,348, 11.21% ...…(35)1.93%.......(38)7.97%......(73)3.19% …..(16)0.70%

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R

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Gingrich Senior Advisor Randy Evans Explains Delegate Math

http://youtu.be/mAWj6r9VOqE


63 posted on 03/07/2012 11:38:10 AM PST by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: All; Vigilanteman
#7, about the closest thing to "generic Republican" is true for Rick. However, while that's helping him in the primary it will not help him in the general.

Here are some reasons against Rick Santorum:

1. He voted to confirm Sonya Sotomayer to the 2nd Circuit, fast tracking her to the Supreme Court where she was Obama's First Choice. Consider McCain did not. Is this a conservative judicial record?

2. He proposed and voted for $550 million on top of a $900 million Amtrak budget. Is this fiscal conservatism?

3. Headed "The K Street Project" with felon Tom DeLay to recruit for and build ties between the GOP and career Beltway lobbyists. This is the swamp the Tea Party wants to drain; it's the foundation of crony capitalism. This Medicare Part D supporter was so important to "Big Pharma," a internal memo at pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline said his loss "creates a big hole that we need to fill." Is this a reformer?

4. 18-point loss in Pennsylvania, the worst for an incumbent senator in over 25 years. The voters who knew him best, his constituents for a dozen years, wanted him gone for good. He lost 61% of women. Is this electability?

5. He's does Big Labor's bidding voting against national right-to-work and for every federal minimum wage increase. Is this conservative?

6. His own miniature Solyndra, he helped secure a $100m loan guarantee for a mutli-national oil company's PA coals-to-liquids plant that's never been built. He was lobbied by Bob Ashner, PA's top GOP power broker, who earned $1m for his work. Is this crony capitalism? 7. Santorum bilked a Pennsylvania school district out of $72,000 to pay for home "cyberschooling" of five of his kids ... in Virginia. This scandal and his legalistic defense of hit contributed to his 2006 loss. While ruled legal, is this moral or crass self-interest?

8. His charity Operation Good Neighbor (2001-07), illegally never registered with PA, doled out just 36% of income as grants, far less than the 75% of responsible causes. I'm sure it's coincidence the charity which spent most of its money on lobbyists, aides and fundraisers closed after he was defeated for reelection. Is this what Tea Party activists want?

9. His "leadership PAC" called "American's Foundation" also played funny money games. Only gave 18% made it to candidates, far below similar PACs.

10. A $500,000 mortgage for his Leesburg mansion came from a private bank run by a big campaign donor. The program was only for high-wealth investors in the trust; how did Santorum qualify?

11. He is dishonest about healthcare mandate history. In 1992, his "medisave accounts" House bill required individuals buy high deductible insurance coverage. As a senate candidate in 1994 he supported healthcare mandates for individuals and for employers. As recently as last night he claimed he's never supported mandates while saying he was "honest with the American People."

This list just starts to look at Santorum's record and vet him as he should be. Many of these are all things well covered by the PA press during his senate career and you know Democrats will exploit them effectively as they did in 2006.

64 posted on 03/07/2012 1:01:25 PM PST by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: GulfBreeze

Let’s look at it this way (and I would prefer Newt over what’s left right now), if you take the view that the two ‘conservatives’ should have been given a good opportunity and sufficient time to make their case to the public, well...

I think that 8 months, and 22 state primaries should be sufficient to allow for one of these guys to make their case to the conservative side - considering that you have to keep the RINO out. YOU DON’T NEED TO BE OUT THERE FOR THE ENTIRE THING THRU JUNE IN CALIFORNIA & NEW JERSEY TO MAKE YOUR CASE!

So, based on the cold hard facts, I hate to say it, but my guy has lost the battle up to this point, and has only ‘won’ 2 states (Rick 6) and is behind in the ‘total vote’ count to Santorum.

Newt, you have a great plan, and are an excellent intellectual debater, but you have lost the ‘trial’ period, and are now the one on the losing end helping to split the vote.

Newt, you have to get out now!


65 posted on 03/07/2012 1:57:58 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: newzjunkey

You can say all you want about Santorum, but Newt is not winning, and Newt has to get out!


66 posted on 03/07/2012 1:59:48 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: newzjunkey

He he he. When I see your handle I think of a drug addict Kiwi. No offence, just a funny.


67 posted on 03/07/2012 4:00:25 PM PST by GulfBreeze (Still a Santorum guy !)
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To: SoConPubbie; GulfBreeze; Vendome; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; writer33; Mountain Mary; ...

For those interested, Newt and Santorum already had a Lincoln/Douglas debate.

Ping to post #30 for the links.


68 posted on 03/07/2012 7:26:27 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: napscoordinator

He said to the press at one of his appearances that if one of his staff did make that statement, they did so without his knowlege or approval. He went on to say that each one should stay in until they decide otherwise.

The article is somewhere on FR.


69 posted on 03/07/2012 7:34:21 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Thank you. I watch one section so far and really enjoy it. Those two are great together. If they were smart they would DEFINITELY make a Gingrich/Santorum ticket. It would be a wipe out for Obama.


70 posted on 03/07/2012 7:38:35 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator

You’re welcome. I’m watching it in the installment plan, and I also like it very much.

I’ve said it before that IMO, Newt would make a great Veep because of what he could accomplish in the Senate. For starters, I think he would deflate that “collegiality” bs in 60 seconds or less. :-) I also see him in a Cheney type adviser role, in which he’d excel.


71 posted on 03/07/2012 8:22:53 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: SoConPubbie

Pay attention. These two already debated together. Rick was not creamed in it.


72 posted on 03/07/2012 8:29:21 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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