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Humans and Gorillas Closer Than Thought, Genome Sequence Says
Bloomberg News via SFGate ^ | 3-7-12 | Elizabeth Lopatto

Posted on 03/07/2012 1:49:57 PM PST by Pharmboy

Edited on 03/07/2012 4:13:35 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chimps; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; gorillas; helixmakemineadouble; humans
That's a surprise...but maybe that's why I like salads sometimes.
1 posted on 03/07/2012 1:50:05 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: blam; SunkenCiv; Bender2; neverdem; aculeus; Dr. Scarpetta

Pass the leaves and tubers, please...PING!


2 posted on 03/07/2012 1:51:41 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Pharmboy

10 million years since the species split?

Was someone there?

Do they actually have the DNA of the “common ancestor” to prove this?

Or is this just another question begging conclusion?
(rhetorical questions)


3 posted on 03/07/2012 1:52:40 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

So there was some truth in the B-movies where the male Gorilla carried off that pretty blonde! ;-)


4 posted on 03/07/2012 1:57:10 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Pharmboy


No Comment
5 posted on 03/07/2012 1:59:00 PM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Pharmboy
Statement: "Humans and Gorillas Closer Than Thought, Genome Sequence Says"

Response: Having witnessed current affairs I agree with this statement. After all it is obvious to casual observation.

6 posted on 03/07/2012 2:00:44 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Pharmboy

Must be a Fluke....


7 posted on 03/07/2012 2:03:12 PM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: MrB

There is a bit of triangulation needed to come up with the dates of the split between human ancestors and gorillas and chimps—and it is inexact—but for the gorilla split, it probably should be written 10 million +/- 1.5 million years.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 2:10:13 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Pharmboy
Though not human they are persons and no less entitled to the wealth of the planet. Their property rights will be codified and reparations will be granted as a moral imperative.

9 posted on 03/07/2012 2:11:42 PM PST by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: goodnesswins

Okay, everyone that wants to be Human get in Line 1. Those who want to be Gorillas get in Line 2. Who ever gets to the Moon first wins.

Alright, the Humans are building a rocket and the Gorillas are throwing coconuts at it to knock it out of the sky. Please remember folks. All species are equal.


10 posted on 03/07/2012 2:12:13 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Pharmboy

Dennis Prager had a great comment. He said the Bible teaches about divisions between Man and God, Male and Female, Human and Animal, Good and Evil, and the Holy and the Profane.

He said liberals are always trying to blur these distinctions.


11 posted on 03/07/2012 2:18:16 PM PST by MNDude
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To: I see my hands

They’d still need enormous prosthetic arrays ~ special “brain boxes”,...... the mind boggles.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 2:21:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Coyoteman

Your comments Doc.


13 posted on 03/07/2012 2:23:07 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: MNDude

In investigating the distinctions it’s useful to eliminate the similarities so you don’t go around making false distinctions.


14 posted on 03/07/2012 2:33:43 PM PST by DManA
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To: Pharmboy

Michelle, please pick up on line 3......


15 posted on 03/07/2012 2:43:28 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: DManA

good point


16 posted on 03/07/2012 2:51:54 PM PST by MNDude
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To: MrB

“Brothers! Oh, brothers! We have all gathered here, to preserve our hallowed culture and heritage! We aim to pull evil up by the root, before it chokes out the flower of our culture and heritage! And our women, let’s not forget those ladies, y’all. Looking to us for protection! From darkies, from Jews, from papists, and from all those smart-ass folks say we come descended from monkeys!” ~ Homer Stokes


17 posted on 03/07/2012 2:55:02 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: MNDude

My guess is that several of these so-called scientists would like to marry Kamilah or one of her sisters, but it’s not yet legal.


18 posted on 03/07/2012 3:05:43 PM PST by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: NKP_Vet

Looks like globull scientwists are focusing on return to mankees, don need notin’


19 posted on 03/07/2012 3:06:40 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: NKP_Vet; MrB

“I am firmly convinced that no theory of human evolution can be regarded as satisfactory unless the revelations of Piltdown are taken into account.” The Earliest Englishman (1948) p.xii


20 posted on 03/07/2012 3:15:08 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Pharmboy

Humans and Gorillas not close at all, Dr. Zaius says

21 posted on 03/07/2012 3:15:08 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Apes can talk? .???????? Who knew?)
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To: Pharmboy; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: Humans and Gorillas Closer Than Thought, Genome Sequence Says

Gadzooks! I can watch the main stream media... and see that proved without doubt each and every day!

Isn't that... being racist, Bender?

No, Al. That's... being observant--

Good, Bendy! Otherwise, I'd have thought I'd picked the wrong day... to give up my biases!

22 posted on 03/07/2012 4:08:36 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Pharmboy



23 posted on 03/07/2012 4:18:53 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK

That’s the most relevant reply so far. Why would a gorilla admit to being more closely related to our species?


24 posted on 03/07/2012 4:59:10 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv

It might be taken as proof positive of the connection between our species. I’ve studied linguistics and language change but this is interesting since sign language seems immutable to change. Gorillas also fling feces at opponents. These obsevances may explain the evolution of cab drivers and Democrats. But that’s unfair to the simians, they were much more honest in their gestures and actions. In the case of the latter it’s just ‘Monkey see, monkey do’.


25 posted on 03/07/2012 5:28:38 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Pharmboy
You know who's DNA is not like a human? The Starchild Skull's original owner. So yeah. Alien.

Just like Willard.

26 posted on 03/07/2012 5:33:26 PM PST by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Pharmboy

But this only applies to white people, right? Because if anyone ever posts a picture of a black person and a gorilla or compares black people to gorillas, monkeys, apes or chimps, they’re called racists. So no one can say that black people descended from apes. But isn’t that racist if black people are less than human? Hmmm. BTW, I don’t believe we’re related to primates but I wish those who do would bring blacks into the conversation :-)


27 posted on 03/07/2012 5:33:45 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
I don’t believe we’re related to primates

If you're human, you are a member of the Family Hominid, one of several in the Order Primate. So, assuming you're human, you ARE a Primate.

28 posted on 03/07/2012 10:06:51 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: BIGLOOK

Thanks BIGLOOK.
The Scars of Evolution:
What Our Bodies Tell Us
About Human Origins

by Elaine Morgan
"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
Orangutans and human origins
Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz
Department of Anthropology
University of Pittsburgh
Humans have a larger number of features that are uniquely shared with orangutans than with any other living ape. Schwartz (1984) proposed that humans are more closely related to orangutans than to chimpanzees - a model that contradicts the greater genetic similarity of base pair sequences in humans and chimpanzees.

The view presented here is that genetic similarity of base pair sequences is not a necessary measure of phylogenetic relationship and that morphology continues to exist as an independently reliable source of information on evolutionary relationships. The orangutan model presents a conundrum for biological systematics over how to chose between morphological and genetic evidence when they are in conflict.
Asian Roots for Anthropoids
Athena Review: Vol.2, no. 3 (2000)
In previous decades, evidence for early anthropoids (the group including all living and extinct monkeys, apes, and humans) came predominantly from northern Africa. Notable finds included the Oligocene's Aegyptopithecus in Egypt's Fayum region dating about 36-25 million years ago (myr). While many known phylogenetic links exist between Aegyptopithecus and an abundant range of later, Miocene, primates found in Africa and Asia, until recently there was little data on ties with the earlier primates of the Eocene era.

A few years ago in 1994-96, caves in central China revealed the first evidence of a 45-million- year-old primate named Eosimias or "Dawn Ape" by discoverers K.C. Beard of the Carnegie Institute and colleagues from the Beijing Institute of Verterbrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology (AR 1,1). While preliminary findings of Eosimias were limited to a few tiny teeth and jaw fragments, it was enough for Beard and his IVPP colleagues to suggest a Middle to Late Eocene emergence in eastern Asia of the mosaic of traits leading from primitive to anthropoid physiology. This has been further supported by more recent evidence reported in the journal Nature of new findings in China of an Eosimias leg and foot bones, which are claimed to exhibit diagnostic anthropoid traits.

More recently, fossil teeth and jaw fragments found in 1996-98 in Myanmar (Burma) in southeast Asia have provided further evidence that higher primates may have originated in Asia. The 40-million-year-old Bahinia pondaungensis, a tarsier-like tree-dweller and insect eater the size of today's smallest monkey, has been classified by Jean-Jacques Jaeger of France's Université Montpellier-II as an anthropoid.

29 posted on 03/08/2012 3:32:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Pharmboy. This story is going to drive some people out of their tree.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


30 posted on 03/08/2012 3:38:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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31 posted on 03/08/2012 3:43:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Pharmboy

Aren’t we closely related to a lot of things measured by DNA sequencing? Is this the last percent percent?


32 posted on 03/08/2012 4:35:06 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Pharmboy

And yet, in spite of any physical similarities, God never said that gorillas were made in His image and likeness. He never became a gorilla and died to redeem their eternal souls.


33 posted on 03/08/2012 4:59:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Funny, you answered my questions with ridicule of me and my skepticism...

“ad hominem” anyone?


34 posted on 03/08/2012 5:02:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rabidralph

The whole idea that we evolved from an apelike ancestor is pretty much the basis of racism. Those with more “apelike” features, under this theory, are less evolved and therefore not as advanced, and finally, “inferior”, to those who have less apelike features - even if that similarity/dissimilarity is only in skin color.

However, the biblical worldview declares us all to be descendents of the same 2 original humans created in God’s image, funneled through Noah and his wife, and separated by language at Babel. No one with this understanding of people groups could be considered racist. Differences in behaviors and cultures are due to social grouping and not due to “inferior genetics”.


35 posted on 03/08/2012 5:07:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Bingo.


36 posted on 03/08/2012 5:42:17 AM PST by null and void (Day 1143 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: MrB
The skin of apes is white...it is their hair/fur that is dark. Here is a hairless chimpanzee.


37 posted on 03/08/2012 6:03:03 AM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: 1010RD
101RD: "Aren’t we closely related to a lot of things measured by DNA sequencing?
Is this the last percent percent?"

As measured by DNA sequencing, we are related to every living thing, however remotely.

Nearly every living thing shares some DNA characteristics, whether 10% or 90+%, and they generally correspond to the fossil record of common ancestors.

38 posted on 03/08/2012 6:10:49 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Thanks for the reply. As this is one of your specialties around here, would you tell me if the following is true? I’d heard that slugs or some insects share like 95+% of their DNA with us. Is that correct?

My understanding is that most life on earth shares an enormous amount of DNA with us and speciation occurs in a very narrow band of differences. Correct?


39 posted on 03/11/2012 3:07:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
101RD: "I’d heard that slugs or some insects share like 95+% of their DNA with us. Is that correct?"

Everything depends on how you measure it -- what exactly is the denominator, how precisely is the numerator determined, etc.

This may explain why a quick google does not turn up a simple chart showing DNA percentage comparisons (definition #1, definition #2, etc.) amongst various species.
Most of the google results we do see amount to discussions amongst folks such as you and I -- laymen.

A key factor is how what seems to be non-functioning DNA (the majority of all DNA) is treated.

Anyway, in general, it appears that basic processes of life take up something like 50% of DNA, meaning that humans and cabbage have about 50% similar DNA functions.

By that measure then for any animal the percentages will be higher, in the 60% range for, say fruit-flies, 80% for cows, 90% for cats and 90+ percent for primates.

Humans are said to hold about 99.5% of DNA in common with each other.

The key point here is that these measured differences correspond to roughly what you'd expect from the fossil records of common ancestors.

40 posted on 03/11/2012 4:40:47 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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