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Marine's daughters held 13 hours after he was shot, attorney says
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com ^ | 3/7/2012 | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com

Posted on 03/07/2012 8:01:16 PM PST by dragnet2

For 13 hours after they watched an Orange County sheriff’s deputy fatally shoot their father, the traumatized daughters of Marine Sgt. Manuel Loggins were held for questioning and not allowed to join their mother

The accusation is contained in a claim Dunn said he would file Wednesday with the county, giving notice that the Loggins family plans to file suit in Superior Court against the Sheriff’s Department and the deputy for wrongful death.

An attorney representing Darren Sandberg, identified as the deputy who shot Loggins, declined comment.

Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens declined to comment on the facts of the case, saying the district attorney’s office is investigating. “Everybody wants answers,” she said. “That is what the investigation is for.”

The girls, ages 14 and 9, were in the family SUV with their father when the deputy fired into the vehicle before dawn on Feb. 7. The department said Loggins had crashed through a gate at the parking lot, walked to a nearby athletic field, and then ignored Sandberg’s orders not to restart the SUV.

At first, the department said Sandberg fired out of concern for his own safety but later said Sandberg -– a former Marine -- feared for the girls’ safety.

Loggins had been unarmed.

The girls were held at the Orange County Sheriff’s Department and were not allowed to see their mother until 6 p.m. that day,

“They probably kept asking them over and over and over what was going on till they got the answer they wanted.”

He said Loggins had committed no crime, posed no threat to anyone’s life and that Sandberg shot him “multiple times.”

He worked at Camp Pendleton, and left behind three daughters and a pregnant wife, Phoebe, who gave birth to their fourth daughter days ago.

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Anyone recall this event which occurred not long ago?

Still investigating? Are they waiting until everyone forgets about this?

Still being investigated, yet all the players were accounted for within minutes after this event?

This just reeks and stunk bad from the beginning.

1 posted on 03/07/2012 8:01:18 PM PST by dragnet2
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bttt


2 posted on 03/07/2012 8:04:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I do recall. This is outrageous.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 8:05:14 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: dragnet2

Seriously, what is taking so long? They’re just going to issue the canned “not the cop’s fault” report. They always do...


4 posted on 03/07/2012 8:06:47 PM PST by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: dragnet2
I don't know about California, but in Washington State you can't ask a kid any questions unless a parent, guardian, or court appointed representative is present. Holding the kids makes no sense at all.

The shooting was just plain strange. I don't know if we will ever know what happened there.

5 posted on 03/07/2012 8:09:26 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: dragnet2

There sure seems to be a lot of this sort of thing going on. How many of the victims are oathkeepers?


6 posted on 03/07/2012 8:13:22 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: USNBandit

The cops think they can do anything they want. And sadly, they usually can.

Want a lawyer? Sure, no problem. We’ve got a place you can wait until the court appoints you one.

The constitution is no more.


7 posted on 03/07/2012 8:14:32 PM PST by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin)
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To: dragnet2

Thanks for this additional information. This story stinks so badly, I’m afraid that they are trying to cover it up.
Prayers for the family. May they obtain justice, although nothing will make up for the death of their husband and father.


8 posted on 03/07/2012 8:15:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dragnet2

Thanks for posting.

But, I feel very sick after reading the article.


9 posted on 03/07/2012 8:28:55 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cicero
TWO WEEKS after this incident, Jim Amormino, the grand spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department said Loggins' daughters were also interviewed by investigators, but Amormino said he didn't know what they said or if their story lined up with the deputy's.

How in tarnation could he not know?

10 posted on 03/07/2012 8:29:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

bttt


11 posted on 03/07/2012 8:33:30 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Texas Fossil

I too feel sick. I just finished reading “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” by Matt Bracken a novel but oh how true it is...our domestic enemies are by far the most scary these days.


12 posted on 03/07/2012 8:34:15 PM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: dragnet2
I do remember this story. Thanks for ping.

Still not much new info other than a suit being filed. OCSD has a big problem. From previous reports Sgt. Loggins was a Marine's Marine and a model father and citizen. I don't know what he did or didn't do that morning but they're going to have a tough time painting Sgt. Loggins in a bad light.

13 posted on 03/07/2012 8:41:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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After weeks and weeks have now gone by, what happened to all those that didn't want to comment until the investigation was over?

When they were asked what could possibly take so long, when all the players accounted for within minutes after this incident, they fell silent, suggesting this was somehow a complex case.

Is OCSD waiting for spy satellite images of the scene, hoping something might have been caught by one of our satellites?

What happened to the elvis-lives who suggested the Maine was a nutjob, where the deputy did not know if the girls were kidnapped sex slaves, illegal aliens or escaped mental patients, who suggested the Deputy who shot the unarmed Marine to death, "Deserved a medal."

Where are these people?

14 posted on 03/07/2012 8:50:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
And we have probable cause on the Illegal Alien residing at 1600 Penn ave DC.

Where is the no knock door kick squad when we need them?

15 posted on 03/07/2012 9:03:34 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: TigersEye
Still not much new info other than a suit being filed.

Actually, this is a bombshell, given the fact the young girls, according this this info, were held for questioning for about 13 hours, without allowing even the Mother of the girls to join them.

These young girls watch their Dad get shot to death, and then spend the next 13 hours being interrogated or manipulated?

In fact in the link below, members were speculating if the girls were questioned with an attorney or relatives present.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2845384/posts?page=92#92

16 posted on 03/07/2012 9:06:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I thought it was previously reported that they were held and questioned. I recall reading the following info before.

Jim Amormino, the grand spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department said Loggins' daughters were also interviewed by investigators, but Amormino said he didn't know what they said or if their story lined up with the deputy's.

17 posted on 03/07/2012 9:11:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: dragnet2

I do hope the family sues on behalf of the girls - and makes it a class action suit. A friend’s granddaughter was also questioned illegally - and I am sure a newspaper ad inviting suit participation would produce thousands of similar cases.

Though I do hope they are not from such egregious instances of police abuse.


18 posted on 03/07/2012 9:16:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: TigersEye
If they had shot your wife to death, would you allow them to interrogate two young kids for 13 hours? without you being present?

Yes, Jim Amormino, the grand spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Department said Loggins' daughters were also interviewed by investigators, but Amormino said he didn't know what they said or if their story lined up with the deputy's.

What they didn't tell you is from about 5:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. the girls were interrogated without allowing the young girls mother to join them.

This case is not complex. Why would an interrogation take this long?

Once again, how is it possible, two weeks after this incident, the OCSD spokesperson stated had no idea what the two girls said?

Only a moron would buy this.

Not only that, how could they do this to two young girls, who had just hours earlier, watched their father get shot to death?

19 posted on 03/07/2012 9:23:48 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Did the cops shoot the family dog. That’s the question.


20 posted on 03/07/2012 9:42:10 PM PST by SkyDancer
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To: An American!
I too feel sick. I just finished reading “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” by Matt Bracken a novel but oh how true it is...our domestic enemies are by far the most scary these days.

FReeper name Travis McGee. Operation #EFAD

21 posted on 03/07/2012 10:27:04 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: dragnet2

Poor girls. Dealing with the trauma of watching their father’s murderer and being interrogated by those who defend the murderer.


22 posted on 03/07/2012 10:29:01 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: dragnet2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2845384/posts?page=92#92
23 posted on 03/07/2012 10:34:29 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: dragnet2

There’s something weird and/or missing about this story. Just about anything the LA Times prints you have to be very careful with since just about EVERYTHING they print has been written with one of their agendas in mind.

I think I remember seeing some video on this a couple of weeks ago (Fox News) and it looked weird even then.

Here’s a link to an earlier LA Times story with some extracted language.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marine-shot-20120218,0,1108296.story

“Loggins, who had smashed through a gate to get onto campus and then stalked onto the track, repeatedly failed to heed the commands of the deputy who asked him to stop, and then tried to drive away, authorities said.”

While there may more details coming out on this that cast this in a different light, it does look, based upon the presented facts, as though the cops massively overreacted and the shooting doesn’t appear justified at all.


24 posted on 03/07/2012 10:52:40 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: dragnet2

Seriously? What happened to those who don’t want to comment until the investigation is over?

I suspect that we’re waiting until the investigation is complete. That’s the DA’s investigation, not the (inevitable) press release from the plaintiff’s lawyer.

And just to anticipate the objection, the notion, suggestion, or innuendo that the shooting of an active duty Marine (by another Marine, adding to the tragedy) will be “covered up”, in Orange County, California, the home of both Camp Pendleton and MCRC San Diego is absurd.

The DA will conduct his investigation, and report his findings, and either file charges or not. In the interim, we can count on the civil proceedings being tried in the press by the plaintiff, and for those who are inclined to assume the worst of LE to take the plaintiff’s lawyer’s press releases at face value, and to discount any statement from the Sheriff as obviously self-interested.


25 posted on 03/07/2012 10:55:54 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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we’re waiting until the investigation is complete

The investigation was completed by the OC Sheriffs Department prior to this going to the DA.

Sheriff's Department officers and investigators, investigated this before it ever went to the DA, and in fact, the two young girls were interrogated for about 13 hours the same day of the incident, by Sheriff's investigators.

#1. Tell me, how in tarnation is is possible, two weeks after this incident, the the Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesperson, Jim Amormino stated had no idea what the two girls said?

26 posted on 03/07/2012 11:10:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The only point I was making is that that info wasn’t new.


27 posted on 03/07/2012 11:11:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: absalom01
we’re waiting until the investigation is complete.

All the players are accounted for and were within minutes of this incident, including the weapon used by the deputy.

This was one shooting by one deputy at one suspect, with two witnesses in one vehicle, and apparently several other deputy's in the area.

Tell me, what is so complicated, mysterious or complex about this which would cause an investigation to take weeks and weeks and weeks?

28 posted on 03/07/2012 11:15:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye
The only point I was making is that that info wasn’t new.

It is to me.

I had no idea the Sheriff's investigators interrogated these two young girls, without their own mother present, or legal representation, for about 13 hours, after they watched their father being shot to death.

29 posted on 03/07/2012 11:19:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: absalom01
covered up” is absurd.

It is?

It's already been established the OSCD has already changed it's version of events multiple times.

You're suggesting cover-ups, tampering with evidence, witnesses, omitting evidence and lying on investigative reports does not exist in law enforcement?

30 posted on 03/07/2012 11:26:28 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
It is to me.

That's why I posted that I'd heard it before.

Deputy Says He Shot 'Irrational' Marine to Protect Kids in Car Feb. 11

Loggins' daughters were also interviewed by investigators, but Amormino said he didn't know what they said or if their story lined up with the deputy's.


31 posted on 03/07/2012 11:29:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

That link never mentioned the Sheriff’s investigators interrogated these two young girls, alone, without their own mother present, or legal representation, for about 13 hours, after they watched their father being shot to death.


32 posted on 03/07/2012 11:31:23 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Nope.


33 posted on 03/07/2012 11:37:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: absalom01

Your naive assumption that the OC DA is an upstanding defender of The People whom he has sworn to serve is laughable.

Go do some research on how he reacted to a gang of cops beating a man to death recently in Fullerton, CA (another OC city). PATHETIC.

His protection of the LE Community at ALL Costs in OC is so obvious it is just beyond words.


34 posted on 03/08/2012 12:35:05 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: dragnet2

Murder.
A long prison sentence is called for.


35 posted on 03/08/2012 2:49:42 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: absalom01
who are inclined to assume the worst of LE to take the plaintiff’s lawyer’s press releases at face value, and to discount any statement from the Sheriff as obviously self-interested.

i'll see that and raise you two young girls [3 counting the friend] witnessing their father shot to death, being held like hostages for 13 hours without their mother or counsel...

36 posted on 03/08/2012 6:10:52 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: dragnet2

I suspect the girls were being told what they had better say about the incident with implications of what the consequences to themselves would be if they said something different.


37 posted on 03/08/2012 7:09:04 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: absalom01

These things happen far too often these days. I no longer automatically give credence, as I once did, to what the sheriff or police chief says after one of these incidents and when the story changes repeatedly or the shootings are almost instantaneously ruled to be “justified” I now assume the worst.


38 posted on 03/08/2012 7:13:40 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: absalom01

LEOs have a history of self interest and cover ups. So not trusting their word is hardly unreasonable.
I’ve never seen a sheriff go in front of a camera and say, “my people screwed up and should do 20 to life.”
They always back their own, while complaining that people assume the worst in LE.


39 posted on 03/08/2012 7:19:47 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: absalom01

LEOs have a history of self interest and cover ups. So not trusting their word is hardly unreasonable.
I’ve never seen a sheriff go in front of a camera and say, “my people screwed up and should do 20 to life.”
They always back their own, while complaining that people assume the worst in LE.


40 posted on 03/08/2012 7:19:46 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: dragnet2

Do you live in Orange county?

Work with a local politician and create a citizen’s committee to investigate it.

Citizens need to stop being passive and start being active in the governance of their communities.


41 posted on 03/08/2012 8:09:38 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: LevinFan

Sheriffs are elected officials.

They have to answer to the citizens, if the citizens are faithful enough to do their duty for self governance. Elections have consequences.


42 posted on 03/08/2012 8:12:34 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

13 hours away from their mom in that situation should get someone fired.


43 posted on 03/08/2012 8:48:08 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: dragnet2

We know the deputy.
He’s a good guy -


44 posted on 03/08/2012 9:31:39 AM PST by porter_knorr
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covered up” is absurd.

It is?

It's already been established the OCSD has already changed it's version of events multiple times.

Now we find out the young girls were interrogated for about 13 hours, after witnessing their unarmed father being shot to death.

You now pop up suggesting cover-ups, tampering with evidence, witnesses, omitting evidence and lying on investigative reports does not exist in government and law enforcement?

You seem to be evading multiple questions I've asked you repeatedly. Should I list the questions again and number them?

Where did ya go?

45 posted on 03/08/2012 9:40:15 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: porter_knorr

Your good friends shot an unarmed man to death, and then changed the version of events.


46 posted on 03/08/2012 9:43:17 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: porter_knorr

Lots of good people screw up. If he screwed up, and it sounds like he did, he should pay the price. His being a good guy doesn’t change anything.
he was pretty quick to use his gun. And there is a lot of garbage coming out of OC.


47 posted on 03/08/2012 9:50:30 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: dragnet2

I said we know him
he’s a good man

Did he change the story, or did the reporter change the story? Do you know him? Do you know the marine? Are you assuming he’s guilty before you know all the facts?

I don’t know any answers, I do think though there’s a rush to judge the deputy without knowing the facts.


48 posted on 03/08/2012 9:51:46 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: LevinFan

absolutely...but let’s wait until the investigation is complete before making him pay the price.


49 posted on 03/08/2012 9:55:10 AM PST by porter_knorr
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To: porter_knorr
In fact, your good friend not only shot an unarmed man to death, changed the version of events, then it's discovered his two young girls were held about 13 hours without legal representation or even their mother present.

In addition, it seems inordinately clear, the local government "Officials" in Orange County are intentionally stonewalling this investigation.

50 posted on 03/08/2012 9:55:36 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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