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Algae: Fuel of the Future? (And do we need government subsidies?)
National Review ^ | 03/08/2012 | Nash Keune

Posted on 03/08/2012 6:13:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind

President Obama’s latest renewable-energy fixation is algae. During a speech at the University of Miami, he touted his administration’s $24 million investment in the fuel, saying, “Believe it or not, we could replace up to 17 percent of the oil we import for transportation with this fuel that we can grow right here in the United States.”

In 2010, the DOE awarded $6 million to Arizona State University for the creation of the Sustainable Algal Biofuels Consortium (SABC), $9 million to the University of California, San Diego for the creation of the Consortium for Algal Biofuels Commercialization (CABC), and $9 million to Cellana LLC Consortium in Kailua-Kona, Hawaii. However, Dr. Matthew Posewitz, assistant professor at the Colorado School of Mines, estimates that there are already more than 100 academic efforts to modify and refine algae into fuel. So far, these DOE grants have done little more than add a couple more confusing acronyms to an already growing list.

Making fuel from algae is not as absurd as it sounds. There is a body of scientific research dating back to the 1950s that speculates on the possibility of extracting a lipid produced by algae, then converting and refining it into fuel. One researcher likened petroleum itself to “ancient algae.” The algae lipid is very similar to what we extract from fossil fuels; it just hasn’t been in the ground decomposing for 200 to 300 million years.

There are some substantial advantages to algae fuels compared with other renewable sources, especially corn. Some researchers estimate that the algae would consume as much carbon dioxide in the course of their normal life processes as burning their fuel would produce, making the technology carbon neutral. Unlike corn-based fuels, algae fuels would be able to mix freely with fossil fuels, meaning they could be transported in the existing infrastructure. Algae could produce ten times as much fuel per acre as corn, and it could be cultivated in the desert. One of the main problems with corn-based ethanol is that it requires the use of farmland that would otherwise be used for growing food, increasing the cost of grain globally (for this reason, the UN, OECD, World Bank, and WTO — the entire Justice League of Post-America — has asked G-20 nations to stop subsidizing corn-based ethanol). Assuming little resistance from American desert conservationists, algae, which is grown in tanks, could be a huge step up from corn.

But algae fuels are still at a very early stage of development. Much is still unknown about algae on the microbial level. Before algae can be used to replace any part (let alone 17 percent) of our petroleum use, researchers will need to isolate optimal, robust strains of genetically enhanced algae and test different growth systems. At present, algal fuel would cost about $8 a gallon. That same gallon would also require 350 gallons of water to produce. A recent study by the Rand Corporation concluded that algal fuels are at least ten years away from marketability (a timeframe that is prohibitive for some policies, but apparently not for others). As Al Darzins, co-author of a DOE report on algae’s viability, said, “The path to algal biofuels commercialization will not be totally dependent on any one unit operation or technology but rather on the industry’s ability to string together or ‘integrate’ robust and scalable technology solutions.”

Venture capitalists and private firms have started to pour money into this research. In 2009, ExxonMobil started a $600 million partnership with Synthetic Genomics to study algae fuel-extraction and growth techniques. Several different venture-capital firms, including Bill Gates’s Cascades Investment LLC and the Rockefeller family’s Venrock, have invested tens of millions of dollars in Sapphire Energy. Founded in 2007, Sapphire is on the forefront of algae research, having cultivated over 4,000 different strains. The company has made algal jet fuel, which has been tested successfully by Continental Airlines. Last November, Sapphire was listed as one of “16 Companies to Watch With Under $1 Million in Sales” by Forbes.

The lesson from algae-fuel research, then, is that government-funded venture capitalism has been mostly a lagging indicator of market interest. Investment in algae has taken off while the government was busy subsidizing other things. This is for the best. At such a dynamic point in algae-fuel development, much research will inevitably lead to dead ends (few of those 4,000 strains engineered so far will produce important findings). Private and local concerns are more than willing to fund these efforts lavishly and absorb any incumbent loses. In fact, even the three consortia that received DOE grants each had substantial private investment: Cellana LLC, for example, raised around $100 million in capital on top of its DOE grant.

Kenneth Green, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who has written extensively on biofuels, has speculated that by funding algae research and, more important, by broadcasting its funding of algae research, the Obama administration is trying to offer something positive, with real potential, in the face of rising gas prices and continuing arguments over ANWR, the Keystone pipeline, our shale reserves, etc.

But Green also suggests a less innocent motive for the administration’s touting of its algae efforts. “The Obama administration has adopted a cynical tactic of finding things that Republicans or the private sector have approved of in highly qualified theoretical discussions and using that to try to bullet-proof their highly specific, politically twisted cronyist policies,” he says. “This began with cellulosic ethanol, and has persisted through cap-and-trade, the GM Volt, renewable electricity, and now, algae fuels.”

And politicizing algae research may have a disastrous effect on the research itself. It could “force responsible private-sector money out of the effort, lure irresponsible rent-seekers into the process, and make funding of it an unreliable political football,” following a pattern that Green has described as the “green kiss of death.”

As arguments over energy policy continue into the summer, it seems likely that the Obama administration will continue to extol its investment in algae research. But in this environment, with the private sector so willing to invest in algae, federal funding is unnecessary. It may also be counterproductive.

— Nash Keune is a Thomas L. Rhodes Journalism Fellow at the Franklin Center.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algae; energy

Is this the energy of the future?
1 posted on 03/08/2012 6:13:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Algae Biodiesel: It's $33 a Gallon

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/algae-biodiesel-its-33-a-gallon-5652/

2 posted on 03/08/2012 6:20:49 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: preacher

The nice thing about producing algae for fuel is that you can keep scaling up production, which helps drop the price.


3 posted on 03/08/2012 6:27:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even if it could be, I would be worried about the ecosystem- we need the oxygen produced by these vast fields of green goo. Sooner or later we will run out of algae - don’t you remember, that was the original source of Soylent Green until they ran out of algae ;O The same with water - I would rather have it for drinking than for fueling my car—there’s simply not enough potable water to squander it on car fuel. We need to change our thinking on Oil as “carbon-based.” I am in the Abiotic school of thought, i.e., oil is not from the oozy remains of dinosaurs and plants - rather, the earth is continuously cooking it deep down and squeezing it out all over the place. Only a fool would stop using it as a fuel.


4 posted on 03/08/2012 6:32:33 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”But Green also suggests a less innocent motive for the administration’s touting of its algae efforts. “The Obama administration has adopted a cynical tactic of finding things that Republicans or the private sector have approved of in highly qualified theoretical discussions and using that to try to bullet-proof their highly specific, politically twisted cronyist policies,” he says. “This began with cellulosic ethanol, and has persisted through cap-and-trade, the GM Volt, renewable electricity, and now, algae fuels.

Obama’s favorite line :”This is an idea that Republicans once supported”

5 posted on 03/08/2012 6:43:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds great, until the EPA steps in and declares the entire site a ‘wetlands’ and is therefore a ‘protected area’.

Heck, they declare areas ‘wetlands’ that don’t even have any water!!


6 posted on 03/08/2012 6:49:38 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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Algae Akhbar!

7 posted on 03/08/2012 6:53:37 AM PST by Heartlander (You are either the doer, or the dude)
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To: SeekAndFind
At present, algal fuel would cost about $8 a gallon. That same gallon would also require 350 gallons of water to produce

A couple of things. First the 350 gallons of water are used, but not used up. That is an important distinction. It is like saying farming uses land, but if you do it right the land remains usable for next years crop. Sure improper land and water use can screw it up. But a good farmer doesn't waste a resource. And that is what this is algae farming.

You grow the algae in water, strain it out an squeeze it to get out the lipids. Now the water is still there and ready for another batch of Algae.

As for the price I see that as defining the floor. If you can manufacture gasoline from a renewable source for $8 per gallon then that is the most that gasoline will cost. Unfortunately we have seen what $5.00 a gallon gas looks like. Pushing the price up to $8.00 would be economy and possibly society collapsing.

The ability to define a floor is important. It is the difference between Titanic and Costa Concordia. If the Middle East melts down and there is no place to get more oil we go all the way down. If the mullahs drop the bomb and we can manufacture oil it will be bad, but at some point the bad stops getting worse.
8 posted on 03/08/2012 7:00:39 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sickoflibs; SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Liz; AuntB
Obama’s favorite line :”This is an idea that Republicans once supported”


9 posted on 03/08/2012 7:07:59 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Putting ponds in the desert..or anywhere is going to take a lot of water due to evaporation. The recovery rate is going to be really low. Right now the area they want to use to do this has zero extra water. It all goes to AZ and CA to support current AG and people.


10 posted on 03/08/2012 7:13:46 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

RE: This is an idea that Republicans once supported”

The emphasis should be on the word — ONCE.

Easy response to Obama:

The difference between Republicans and Democrats like Obama is when the former considers an idea and learns that it is a bad one, they abandon it.

Democrats see a bad idea and want tax payers to subsidize it, and when it does not work, demand MORE subsidies.

What’s Albert Einstein’s definition of insanity again?


11 posted on 03/08/2012 7:13:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: Oldexpat
Putting ponds in the desert..or anywhere is going to take a lot of water due to evaporation.

The prototype plants I have seen are not open cycle. In fact you need to go to great lengths to keep the cycle closed to keep the algae strain pure. You don't spend millions of dollars developing a custom breed of algae just to let it go feral in a pond and get contaminated with natural algae.

In addition in a pond you are limited to atmospheric CO2 levels. But if you push up the CO2 the Algae grows much faster. So you take the output of a natural gas power plant, cool it and then dump the CO2 heavy output through the algae.


12 posted on 03/08/2012 7:29:40 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: preacher

Navy Takes Biofuels Campaign Into Uncharted Waters

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2011/January/Pages/NavyTakesBiofuelsIntoUnchartedWaters.aspx

Since 2006, the Defense Logistics Agency has procured more than 36 million gallons of ethanol-and-petroleum blends for the military. The Navy in September ordered an additional 150,000 gallons of algae-based fuel from San Francisco company Solazyme. The new agreement is seven times the size of the initial 20,000-gallon contract awarded last year. The Navy is paying big bucks for these fuels.

The service consumes an average of 1.2 billion gallons of petroleum each year at a cost of $3 billion — about $2.50 per gallon. The service paid Solazyme $8.5 million to provide just 20,000 gallons of algae-based fuel — $425 per gallon. At that rate, it would cost the Navy some $142.8 billion for the 8 million barrels of biofuel needed to meet its 2020 goal.

Camelina-based fuel is a bit cheaper but still more expensive than petroleum. In September 2009 the DLA’s defense energy support center paid Montana’s Sustainable Oils $2.7 million for 40,000 gallons of camelina-based fuel. That comes to about $67.50 per gallon.


13 posted on 03/08/2012 7:37:43 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sioux-san

Further proof that all of this stuff isn’t driven by worries about the environment, it’s all just more crony capitalism.


14 posted on 03/08/2012 7:41:05 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

Correct! I prefer to call it Crony Corporatism rather than Capitalism, however. Jeffrey Immelt is no capitalist - he is the poster child for the Ayn Rand character who does nothing nor goes anywhere without Big Guvmint joined at the Hip - pseudo Fascists.


15 posted on 03/08/2012 7:51:37 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: preacher

Could someone smarter then me tell me “how much oil will be consumed to produce 1 gal. of Algae juice”?


16 posted on 03/08/2012 7:54:23 AM PST by woodenickel
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To: Sioux-san
Correct! I prefer to call it Crony Corporatism rather than Capitalism

I like your term better.

17 posted on 03/08/2012 7:55:26 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t we just wait and see how this research goes? Dems see a new idea and want to depend on it without thinking. But too many people here are opposed to anything that isn’t oil from the ground. Science can advance and provide new answers to our problems. But whether it’s algae, or fusion, too many oppose it with knee jerk enthusiasm.


18 posted on 03/08/2012 8:14:01 AM PST by LevinFan
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To: Jack Hydrazine
$425 per gallon

And the first integrated circuit chip cost $1,000 each. Now they cost pennies. As usual the first customer was the military. Since the stone age, military spending drives the "cutting edge" of technology. If a world war breaks out America would have the algae fuel problem solved quickly. Until then we spend our national treasure on foodstamps.

19 posted on 03/08/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by Reeses
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; All

Sun rose at 550AM

Obama LIES


20 posted on 03/08/2012 8:46:23 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

5:55 AM Republicans slink back into their crevasses...


21 posted on 03/08/2012 8:55:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Like vampires.


22 posted on 03/08/2012 9:04:44 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

StephanJohnBanker, I’ve tried to ask you respectfully to quite being so nice to them... ;^)

Yes, just like vampires. They sure suck the life blood out of the Conservative movement.


23 posted on 03/08/2012 9:52:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Yes, just like vampires.

I catch myself using improper sentences once in a while, but this one seemed so fitting. Here, ".." perhaps that will help.

24 posted on 03/08/2012 9:54:05 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Romney has already stated that he will not “attack” Obama.....sounds like McCain redux. The House & Senate GOP are hoping that if they lay low, they can get re-elected.
We have no representation at all!


25 posted on 03/08/2012 10:16:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The McCain approach worked so well in 2008. I know I would love to see a replay. Wouldn’t you? /s

No, we don’t have representation.


26 posted on 03/08/2012 10:44:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs
Democrats see a bad idea and want tax payers to subsidize it, and when it does not work, demand MORE subsidies.

Gingrich admitted he was wrong about global warming, but did GWB ever admit he was wrong about amnesty?

27 posted on 03/08/2012 11:20:14 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

RE: did GWB ever admit he was wrong about amnesty?

Well, he ABANDONED the idea.


28 posted on 03/08/2012 11:25:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker
RE:”Gingrich admitted he was wrong about global warming, but did GWB ever admit he was wrong about amnesty?

After leaving office Bush said in an interview that he wishes he pushed for amnesty reform in HIS FIRST term when he had a better chance to get it passed.

Even after 2008 he was clueless to how damaging his home ownership policies were to this country

29 posted on 03/08/2012 11:28:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne

“”After leaving office Bush said in an interview that he wishes he pushed for amnesty reform in HIS FIRST term when he had a better chance to get it passed.””

When the day came that Pelosi took over, Bush said “Now we can work together on Comprehensive Immigration Reform”.....I almost died right then and there........


30 posted on 03/08/2012 11:36:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I would advise you not to focus on yourself, but the dilema of why there doesn’t seem to be an effective lightening bolt around when you need one.

One was certainly called for there.

That crosses the line into being a traitor as far as I am concerned.


31 posted on 03/08/2012 11:45:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It IS! New World Order rehashed by son.


32 posted on 03/08/2012 11:51:14 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I refer to it as the New World Odor.

We’ve smelled it before.


33 posted on 03/08/2012 12:13:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Liz
RE: did GWB ever admit he was wrong about amnesty? Well, he ABANDONED the idea.

What if amnesty comes up in the future? Will GWB keep quiet?

I think we can safely say that Obama will use the fact that GOP characters supported leftist ideas once, but even better if they support them long term.

I don't think McCain ever gave up on amnesty, although he may pretend to oppose if it's a Dem initiative. As for Romney, there are so many leftist causes that he supports from time to time....

34 posted on 03/08/2012 12:59:08 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Liz

GWB didn’t keep quiet about amnesty after he left office, so he just might promote it again. Romney will sell us out in a heartbeat, if he believes it will help him.


35 posted on 03/08/2012 1:04:33 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I can smell it all the way to D.C.


36 posted on 03/08/2012 1:09:01 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz
RE :”What if amnesty comes up in the future? Will GWB keep quiet?

SJBs favorite GWB line ‘ See you at the signing you suckers who supported me. ‘

I figured the Bushes probably had hired Nanny's and Maids in Texas that were illegal that they felt attached to and wanted amnesty for.
Plus libs Laura and Martha were probably nagging GWB about being more compassionate, to get the illegals home loans and such.

37 posted on 03/08/2012 1:26:48 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne
RE :”GWB didn’t keep quiet about amnesty after he left office, so he just might promote it again. Romney will sell us out in a heartbeat, if he believes it will help him.

Romney recently flipped on minimum wage as with Romney-care before. Talk about a crash conversion.

I liked when he was asked aboout repealing Romney-care and he replied :"Why wouldnt I?" Slick HIUH?

38 posted on 03/08/2012 1:32:44 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free' ")
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne

Romney reminds me of a “closer” in a downtown ghetto car dealership.

He wreaks of dishonesty...........he can’t hide it......it is pervasive.


39 posted on 03/08/2012 1:40:32 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Reeses; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

The initial amount spent on algae to date may pay off eventually, and it’s proper for the military to try to determine what is possible. But look at how casually the current regime is funneling money to political buddies, let alone how the GOP has been complicit in other boondoggles. We see initiatives that are not ready getting government handouts. There is a difference between integrated circuits and ethanol.

It’s fine if the government looks at possible future energy options. I don’t want immature technologies to grow into jobs programs/slush funds for political ends.


40 posted on 03/08/2012 2:00:04 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

There isn’t enough algae to make it work.


41 posted on 03/08/2012 2:25:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; SeekAndFind; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz

” I figured the Bushes probably had hired Nanny’s and Maids in Texas that were illegal that they felt attached to and wanted amnesty for.
Plus libs Laura and Martha were probably nagging GWB about being more compassionate, to get the illegals home loans and such. “

I guarantee you that both are true!


42 posted on 03/08/2012 2:28:32 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs
Romney reminds me of a “closer” in a downtown ghetto car dealership.

thats just his day job...at night hes the manager of a seedy *dance* club...

43 posted on 03/08/2012 2:32:49 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I with you on that.

It seems to me that a leader’s fist concern ought to be on the hardship citizens have to endure, not the freelaoders from another nation.


44 posted on 03/08/2012 2:38:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Gilbo_3

LOL!!


45 posted on 03/08/2012 2:41:28 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; All

“” ...at night hes the manager of a seedy *dance* club...”

“” Mitt’s Kitt Katt Clubb “

(Over 21 only.....we reserve the right to take all of your money.)


46 posted on 03/08/2012 2:45:18 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Don’t forget the New World Odor......open borders.....


47 posted on 03/08/2012 2:47:05 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well using algae for fuels would fit in with Obama’s goal of giving control of the water back to the Indians.


48 posted on 03/08/2012 2:53:19 PM PST by Eva
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To: stephenjohnbanker

cheesy as he is, itd prolly be kitt katt kluDD...


49 posted on 03/08/2012 2:55:19 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3

50 posted on 03/08/2012 3:18:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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