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Doctor Claims Everything You've Heard About Cholesterol and Heart Disease is Wrong
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/08/quick_hits_page ^ | 3-8-2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/08/2012 7:35:50 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather

RUSH: Now, this health story. The website's called Signs of the Times, and the story here is by Dr. Dwight Lundell. "Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease." The upshot of it is that everything that we think we're doing to promote cardiovascular health is actually contributing to cardiovascular problems. This story prints out six pages. The doctor wrote it. So many times I have mentioned over the years about diet, health, food, how we are being manipulated by government goals, wrong medical ideas. Food activists with a logo and a fax machine putting out bogus information to the media, and they just run with it. As long as it contains "government has to step in to save us," then they'll be happy to promote whatever the lying data is.

So what we have here is a heart surgeon who is saying that he and his profession have been wrong for decades. This experiment with statins and low-fat diets has not worked. He says it's time to move on to another way. I'll give you some pull quotes before getting to the story. "Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before."

Another pull quote. "I saw it in over 5,000 surgical patients spanning 25 years who all shared one common denominator -- inflammation in their arteries." Not blockage, inflammation.

(Excerpt) Read more at rushlimbaugh.com ...


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1 posted on 03/08/2012 7:35:57 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather
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To: sheikdetailfeather

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/242516-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease


2 posted on 03/08/2012 7:37:32 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

bttt


3 posted on 03/08/2012 7:40:31 PM PST by deweyfrank
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marked for later


4 posted on 03/08/2012 7:44:58 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

So I was right for going on a bacon diet?


5 posted on 03/08/2012 7:45:50 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

BFL


6 posted on 03/08/2012 7:46:06 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: sheikdetailfeather

BFL


7 posted on 03/08/2012 7:46:13 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: sheikdetailfeather

It seems the old “bad” fats are back with the old misbeliefs and lies debunked, while the old “good” fats are seen to be of less virtue than believed.

There’s an excellent point here about the irritation of the linings of blood vessels. Peanut oil, one of the supposedly old “good” fats, a product that is harvested from immature green peanuts, is now known for contributing to such irritation. Maybe it makes more health sense to use corn or soy oils for that big turkey frying project — they are almost as heat capable as peanut.


8 posted on 03/08/2012 7:46:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

So can I start smoking again?


9 posted on 03/08/2012 7:50:35 PM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Let’s throw out 50 years of peer-reviewed published research and instead go with some retired doc who sells T-shirts, 9/11 conspiracy books, and “channeling” seminars on the sidebar. Yes, of course, eat less processed food but that isn’t the answer for most.


10 posted on 03/08/2012 7:51:36 PM PST by steve86 (I have Schizoid Personality Disorder and am exercising the privileges thereof)
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To: steve86

LOL, who was the old hippie that said eating trees would make you live forever, I think he is in the same place as the doc that said starving yourself helped also.


11 posted on 03/08/2012 7:55:33 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: sheikdetailfeather

i’d read some of this before- this article fleshed it out and you’re doing a service by posting it


12 posted on 03/08/2012 7:56:46 PM PST by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my Country." B. Franklin)
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To: steve86

It took an awful long time for these “peers” to notice that hydrogenated fats like Crisco really weren’t all that wonderful for you in spite of being all vegetable. That said, I don’t think the doc is doing anything but summarizing the most modern biological understanding.


13 posted on 03/08/2012 7:56:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

For later


14 posted on 03/08/2012 8:01:36 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: org.whodat

Euell Gibbons?


15 posted on 03/08/2012 8:05:01 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
Maybe it makes more health sense to use corn or soy oils for that big turkey frying project

WRONG!

Unless you don't think there's anything wrong with GMO laced foods - you don't mind eating Monsanto's Frankenfoods? That goes for Rape seed oil too (Canola). Most all of US corn, soy ad Canola are grown with GMO's - and now they are reaching for alfalfa.

Grape seed oil, coconut oil are excellent for cooking AND heath. They also have a higher burn point. Real butter - organic (without growth hormones, antibiotics, etc) is far better than other spreads...and ghee (rendered butter) is even better.

Lard is a VERY healthy fat but hard to get healthy lard.

Hormels is about the only company that still makes it but it has been hydrogenated. You need to render your own from organic fat back.

Also, research "homocysteine" in relation to the heart. Homocycteine causes inflammations - the real culprit in heart disease.

The very inexpensive folate acid pills are touted to keep it in check.

WE are fortunate today. We have the Internet for research. We no longer have to take as gospel whatever we're told.

16 posted on 03/08/2012 8:06:29 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: quantim

That’s him, here have some pine chips. LOL


17 posted on 03/08/2012 8:06:33 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I heard this on Rush today. I have believed that this low-fat craze is a scam for a long time. It certainly isn’t working. I’m very happy that it’s being challenged.


18 posted on 03/08/2012 8:09:29 PM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Great article....my doctor told me this 5 years ago. Inflammation the worst thing for your heart. That inflammation is brought on by bacteria or viruses or other causes. Best test to get is the inflammation test.


19 posted on 03/08/2012 8:09:38 PM PST by vickixxxx
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To: sheikdetailfeather; Yaelle; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s not the healthy who clamor for Obamacare, but the sick.

Statins! Low fat! Whole grains! Soy milk! Seed oils!

(Run the other way, folks.)


20 posted on 03/08/2012 8:11:11 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: maine-iac7

Placemarker


21 posted on 03/08/2012 8:11:11 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: maine-iac7

“Homocycteine causes inflammations’

Not exactly. Like saying pepsin causes heart burn. They are links in the biochemical chain. The thing that causes inflammation is poor eating.


22 posted on 03/08/2012 8:12:08 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Right or wrong, our household uses butter and we by olive oil by the big tin for two reasons, it is closer to natural and it has a taste advantage. Do your own cooking with natural ingredients. It's healthier and it tastes bettter.

"One tablespoon of corn oil contains 7,280 mg of omega-6;" remember, that's bad, "soybean contains 6,940 mg. Instead, use olive oil or butter..." How many of you are afraid to eat butter? I'm not. (chuckles) At all. Eat "olive oil or butter from grass-fed beef. Animal fats contain less than 20% omega-6 and are much less likely to cause inflammation than the supposedly healthy oils labeled polyunsaturated."

23 posted on 03/08/2012 8:12:31 PM PST by Sax
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To: All

I took a few notes on this:

Bad:

Overload of sugar, flour, simple carbs, Omega 6 vegetable oils such as corn, soybean, sunflower, cottonseed. (slowly poisoning us) Viruses can cause inflammation, bacteria, and toxins such as smoking.

Good:

Olive oil
Butter
Omega 3 oil

When you have inflammation, cholesterol gets trapped in your blood vessels because they are like sandpaper.


24 posted on 03/08/2012 8:13:49 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I have long thought this and was discussing it with a friend today.

Just eat real food and stay away from white products. it’s the people who bombard their bodies all day long with this stuff who suffer from diabetes and other ailments.

Better to have a fixed time when they allow it.


25 posted on 03/08/2012 8:14:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: berdie

later


26 posted on 03/08/2012 8:18:01 PM PST by berdie
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To: Vendome

The End of Illness - David B. Agus, M.D.

http://www.amazon.com/The-End-of-Illness-ebook/dp/B004T4KQYS


27 posted on 03/08/2012 8:21:14 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: maine-iac7

Is the Franken in the foods supposed to make any difference in the kind of oil they put out? Until somebody shows that, I’ll eat Frankencorn oil as soon as normal corn oil.


28 posted on 03/08/2012 8:23:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

http://www.biblelife.org/saturated_fat.htm


29 posted on 03/08/2012 8:24:32 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: Rennes Templar

Rennes!
‘haven’t ‘seen you’ around for a bit.
Good to ‘see’ you.


30 posted on 03/08/2012 8:25:22 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: maine-iac7
We have the Internet for research.

Yup and any fool can put up a web page. Old fashioned processes of determining who's believable and who's dancing with their pants on fire can not be avoided.

31 posted on 03/08/2012 8:26:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: sheikdetailfeather
FWIW, it seems that his medical license was revoked in 2008.

State strips Gilbert doctor of license after inquiry into deaths

32 posted on 03/08/2012 8:28:45 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Every Dr. I know still recommends against butter, because that is the information they are given bu our gov’t nutritionists.


33 posted on 03/08/2012 8:31:14 PM PST by wrench
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To: sheikdetailfeather
"The End of Illness - David B. Agus, M.D. http://www.amazon.com/The-End-of-Illness-ebook/dp/B004T4KQYS "

Quote from the description at your URL:

• How three inexpensive medications—aspirin, statins, and an annual flu vaccine—can substantially change the course of our health for the better.

------------------------------------------------------------

I think I'll pass.

34 posted on 03/08/2012 8:32:54 PM PST by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If you’re interested in this you should watch the movie FATHEAD. It explains the bogus Lipid Hypothesis and the story of the McGovern committee that led us into this mess. It’s presented in a light comedic way. Informative and entertaining. Refutes Morgan Spurlock’s Supersize Me as well.


35 posted on 03/08/2012 8:34:05 PM PST by butterbean
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To: sheikdetailfeather

There is much that Big Pharma and medicine do not tell us.
I and my wife are 85, neither of us use prescription medications. 35 years ago we were told to never buy a food with more than 5 ingredients. We read labels and try to abide by this.
16 years ago I moved from sea level to 5000 feet elevation.
Within 45 days I had a heart attack. They drilled out my left descending artery and told me that if I had stayed at sea level that artery would have closed and I would have died.
I started Chelation (intravenous feeding of EDTA). Took 24 treatments every other week and then a monthly treatment. I have not been to a “Heart Doctor” in all that time. My blood pressure is normal(I work at it)I try to eat right but am not perfect. The AMA says Chelation doesn’t work but I have talked to dozens of heart patients taking Chelation to know they are wrong. The NIH did a 3 year study of Chelation, one patient died so they quit. If they proved it did work many hospitals would go bankrupt, the heart is the mainstay of hospitals.
Before going to a doctor for anything I go to the internet to look up natural treatments and foods for my problem.
Just some thoughts. It is hard for me to understand why all medications have side effects, some seriously, and they just mask symptons and do not cure anything.


36 posted on 03/08/2012 8:34:55 PM PST by lawsone
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I don’t totally agree with his theory on the cause, it is too simplistic. We know that there are 5 or more bacterial infections that can cause heart disease. But I agree that the low saturated fat diet and pharma fixes to reduce cholesterol is the wrong path, way wrong.

Cholesterol is the patching material, the emergency backup system to prevent death due to cracked blood vessels and damaged red blood cells.

The artery damage he describes is Subclinical Scurvy.


37 posted on 03/08/2012 8:36:37 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: sheikdetailfeather

My dad had a massive heart attack in the early 60s, his heart was badly damaged, he took whatever they had back then and a maintenance dose of penicillin, he lived another 30 years and lived well.


38 posted on 03/08/2012 8:38:22 PM PST by tiki
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To: Sooth2222

When his side of the story is looked at, it makes the local board look like Keystone Kops for the most part. He took his shingle down four years before the board challenged his license, and of course he didn’t go through the expensive process to challenge the challenge. A fumble or so, but it’s not always clear that the fumble should be blamed on him.


39 posted on 03/08/2012 8:39:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: org.whodat
" LOL, who was the old hippie that said eating trees would make you live forever, I think he is in the same place as the doc that said starving yourself helped also. "

well, when i was a young hippie the vegetarians looked down on the "meat eaters"

the vegans looked down on the vegetarians

the fruitarians looked down on the vegans (because tearing a carrot out of the soil was so *violent*)

the free fall fruitarians looked down on the regular fruitarians (because free-fallen fruit is "given up willingly" by the tree, picking fruit from the tree is "raping" the tree)

and then there were the breatharians, who contended they actually got all of their necessities for the body by breathing, smelling flowers, and laying in the sun...needing no food...supposedly

and because the breatharians couldn't get along, a "minimalist breatharian" movement began...they believed the population explosion would get so severe, that one day there wouldn't be enough air for everybody, so not only did they try to live on air, but they tried to breathe as little as possible, because it was selfless considerate and holy to prepare for the day the world would run out of air to breathe (?!) so they had to learn to take as little air as possible and convince other people to give up their air-hoggish ways...and also, of course, because it let them look down on "ordinary" breatharians and everybody else

then one day investigative reporters followed the guru of the "minimalist breatharian" movement from a convention center, his pockets full of cash donations, to a motel where he ordered pizza, and they did an ambush interview on him at a diner having pancakes for breakfast, and it seemed that whole house of cards fell in about 24hrs. believe it or not, those movements all existed in and around the early 70's and probably still have the odd follower...on that "trading housewives" show a breatharian just about made a family revolt when she tried to get them to smell flowers in lieu of dinner...i joined the red meat and a gallon of coffee a day movement...we don't look down on anybody, we just outlive them...lol

40 posted on 03/08/2012 8:40:08 PM PST by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my Country." B. Franklin)
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To: mkleesma
Probably. Lard is better than Crisco. Palm oil is okay for movie theaters to use for popping corn. And, smokers have some perks: Health
Nicotine helps Alzheimer's and Parkinson's Patients

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/138559-Nicotine+helps+Alzheimer%27s+and+Parkinson%27s+Patients

41 posted on 03/08/2012 8:41:54 PM PST by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: matthew fuller

I agree with you about the line you quoted. But this doctor also sites inflammation as the cause of heart disease. Very interesting.


42 posted on 03/08/2012 8:42:43 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
People like this guy are largely irresponsible. Coronary disease is multi-factorial, and cholesterol deposition in the artery wall facilitates inflammation. The role of inflammation in coronary disease is well-established and certainly not the brain-child of this guy.

People with genetic syndromes that lead to very high cholesterol levels have a markedly increased incidence of coronary disease, and mutations in specific cholesterol metabolism genes in mice leads to cholesterol deposits in their arteries.

The bottom line is that cholesterol levels are a significant risk factor for coronary disease, unquestionably. That doesn't mean there aren't other important risk factors. There clearly are, including high blood pressure, smoking, and genetics.

The statins, incidentally, have been shown to decrease vascular inflammation.

43 posted on 03/08/2012 8:42:55 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Sooth2222

Wow! Thanks for the info!


44 posted on 03/08/2012 8:44:22 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: AnTiw1

Breatharians... oh good grief. That’s where eccentric veers off into sheer stupid.


45 posted on 03/08/2012 8:46:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: lawsone

A food with more than five ingredients... good grief you could never eat anything breaded with bread crumbs. And there are something like eighty separate wicked chemicals in a cup of natural tea, although helpfully furnished by nature together in the tea leaf or through its fermentation or brewing.


46 posted on 03/08/2012 8:49:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: maine-iac7

Hmmm...


47 posted on 03/08/2012 8:50:33 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Is the Franken in the foods supposed to make any difference in the kind of oil they put out? Until somebody shows that, I’ll eat Frankencorn oil as soon as normal corn oil.

You're welcome to my share.

there's a reason up to 30 countries have banned GMO seed/food in their countries.

And a reason people/states have such a hard time in the US - Monsanto is an American chemical company and they own our politicians. Indeed many politicians, when leaving office, go to work for Monsanto and many Monsanto people get jobs in such places as the FDA -

Enjoy your chemicals. It's a free country.

48 posted on 03/08/2012 8:52:37 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: maine-iac7
Unless you don't think there's anything wrong with GMO laced foods - you don't mind eating Monsanto's Frankenfoods?

I certainly don't. Genetically modified crops are key to feeding the world, both now and in the future. The crops can also be engineered to provide better nutrition and other health benefits. There's no need to use scare language about a technology which already makes it possible to feed millions who might otherwise starve.
49 posted on 03/08/2012 8:54:24 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sheikdetailfeather

There is much that Big Pharma and medicine do not tell us.
I and my wife are 85, neither of us use prescription medications. 35 years ago we were told to never buy a food with more than 5 ingredients. We read labels and try to abide by this.
16 years ago I moved from sea level to 5000 feet elevation.
Within 45 days I had a heart attack. They drilled out my left descending artery and told me that if I had stayed at sea level that artery would have closed and I would have died.
I started Chelation (intravenous feeding of EDTA). Took 24 treatments every other week and then a monthly treatment. I have not been to a “Heart Doctor” in all that time. My blood pressure is normal(I work at it)I try to eat right but am not perfect. The AMA says Chelation doesn’t work but I have talked to dozens of heart patients taking Chelation to know they are wrong. The NIH did a 3 year study of Chelation, one patient died so they quit. If they proved it did work many hospitals would go bankrupt, the heart is the mainstay of hospitals.
Before going to a doctor for anything I go to the internet to look up natural treatments and foods for my problem.
Just some thoughts. It is hard for me to understand why all medications have side effects, some seriously, and they just mask symptons and do not cure anything.


50 posted on 03/08/2012 8:58:44 PM PST by lawsone
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