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Pat Robertson: Pot should be legal like alcohol
Associated Press ^ | Thursday, Mar. 8, 2012 | MICHAEL FELBERBAUM

Posted on 03/08/2012 9:21:14 PM PST by Mariner

RICHMOND, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson says marijuana should be legalized and treated like alcohol because the government's war on drugs has failed.

The outspoken evangelical Christian and host of "The 700 Club" on the Virginia Beach-based Christian Broadcasting Network he founded said the war on drugs is costing taxpayers billions of dollars. He said people should not be sent to prison for marijuana possession.

The 81-year-old first became a self-proclaimed "hero of the hippie culture" in 2010 when he called for ending mandatory prison sentences for marijuana possession convictions.

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To: garjog
But, if it is harmful, then it should be discouraged.

There are effective ways to discourage the use of marijuana without criminalizing it, as the ongoing campaigns against tobacco demonstrate.
101 posted on 03/08/2012 10:54:48 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sorry, but I don’t just disregard or throw people away who have problems, I try to help as best I can most of the time to no avail.
Most of them are extended family members and co-workers, and they are not the only people I associate with.


102 posted on 03/08/2012 10:55:39 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: garjog
I believe that pot seriously damages the brain. Heavy users in their teens or early twenties who I know are impaired. I know that these guys are very intelligent, who would have been hugely successful, but the drug use has them into idiots. I am not kidding.

"Drugs are menacing our society. They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions. They're killing our children." -- President Ronald Reagan.

103 posted on 03/08/2012 10:58:50 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m not talking about terminal cancer patients, and there are many good doctors, but there are enough of them prescribing pain killers to people who don’t need them to keep the problem growing - and we are all paying for it through Medicaid taxes and higher healthcare premiums.


104 posted on 03/08/2012 10:59:04 PM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: Mariner

“The prohibition of alcohol...”demon alcohol” itself. Same with pot.”

You are persuaded by the libertarians. Live and let live. OK. But, my point is that sometimes society needs to protect vulnerable members.

I don’t want to live in a city where fifty percent of the workers are stoned. (Seemed that way when I visited Palm Springs in December).

To compare pot to alcohol is simply a false analogy.

Alcohol has been a pervasive part of human culture for 10,000 years. We drink wine at meals and at religious rituals. It is nothing like pot. People smoke pot to get high.

No one smokes pot to express culture. You can drink without getting drunk. To ban one and not the other is not a contradiction but social sanity.


105 posted on 03/08/2012 10:59:14 PM PST by garjog
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To: LukeL

Did you watch the same program I did? I believe it was on the History Channel but I’m not 100% sure.


106 posted on 03/08/2012 11:00:52 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Mariner

If we legalize Pot the the whole country would be like Obama — who admitted that he smoke a lot of pot and appeared stoned during a 60 Minutes interview.

Don’t miss watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSB4A1iJD4


107 posted on 03/08/2012 11:04:43 PM PST by garjog
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To: PMAS

“I am watching family and friends struggle with the addiction for years now and watching their lives fall apart.”

Maybe these individuals should exercise a little of the personal responsibility that comes with the freedom they have to make their own decisions?

There are millions of Americans who reponsibly gamble, drink and engage in other vices — marijuana for one — and do so responsibly while there are some who gamble away their savings, drink themselves to death or die of overdoses of harder drugs, devastating families in the process.

Are we to have the federal government ban gambling or drinking because a certain number of people are hopelessly irresponsible to begin with? These same people will find a way to self-destruct whether a given activity is legal or not. It all comes down to personal liberty and responsibility.

You can have a liberal nanny-state dictating your every action to you because it knows best or there are those who make bad decisions. I’ll make my own decisions and take responsibility for my own actions, thank you.


108 posted on 03/08/2012 11:07:59 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: garjog

“No one smokes pot to express culture.”

You’ve never been to a Pink Floyd concert!


109 posted on 03/08/2012 11:12:58 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: unkus

I just read about a triple-murder in eastern Washington State-—a mother and her two sons, a 3rd grader and a 5th grader. All three were strangled by a 22-year-old LOSER that the family felt sorry for and took in to help out. Two friends told police that this LOSER came over to their house hours after the murders to play video games after a night of cocaine and smoking pot. And there are thousands more stories like these out there. Yes, our society definitely needs more LOSERS like him. P.S. If you’re wondering, this LOSER shot and killed himself later that day.


110 posted on 03/08/2012 11:15:17 PM PST by dupree
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Yes, that special was amazing.


111 posted on 03/08/2012 11:16:39 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: garjog
To compare pot to alcohol is simply a false analogy. Alcohol has been a pervasive part of human culture for 10,000 years. We drink wine at meals and at religious rituals. It is nothing like pot. People smoke pot to get high. No one smokes pot to express culture. You can drink without getting drunk.

That's the funniest damn thing I've heard in the past 4 hours.

It make come as a dramatic shock to you, but alcohol has killed more people, and destroyed more families, than any drug, ever. Alcohol is a vicious mass murdering drug, when compared to something like pot. The graveyards are jammed with drinkers and victims of drinkers.

112 posted on 03/08/2012 11:18:14 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mariner

Never trusted Pat Robertson. My intuition always told me the guy was fake. Never for one minute ever got the impression that he genuinely knew God. And the fact that he is now condoning the legalization of a dangerous psychotropic drug justifies my suspicions.

Marijuana is a soul destroyer. Evil. And Pat Robertson is wrong. And don’t no pot heads out there lecture me. I know exactly what I’m talking about.


113 posted on 03/08/2012 11:21:33 PM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch
I know exactly what I’m talking about.

Maybe.

Could also be that you've just been indoctrinated by hefty doses of government propaganda.

114 posted on 03/08/2012 11:34:22 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: PMAS

People steal because they want televisions and we don’t ban televisions.


115 posted on 03/08/2012 11:38:50 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Wissa
"Maybe.

Could also be that you've just been indoctrinated by hefty doses of government propaganda."

 

Could be that I have first hand experience too.

 

116 posted on 03/08/2012 11:40:19 PM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: LukeL

Any justification for banning painkillers can be applied to banning alcohol.


117 posted on 03/08/2012 11:42:07 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: fr_freak

Alcohol is deadlier than, for example, codeine.


118 posted on 03/08/2012 11:44:37 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: cherry
...some are evil

the Bible says there are none righteous, no not even one.

119 posted on 03/08/2012 11:53:49 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Antoninus
Frankly, anyone who thinks legalizing drugs would be good for society isn't playing with a full deck.

Anyone who thinks you can't get just about any drug you want in today's society isn't playing with a full deck.

The people who would abuse it if it was legal are the ones who are abusing it now, when it's illegal.
120 posted on 03/08/2012 11:54:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: CaptainKrunch
Could be that I have first hand experience too.

So did a lot of the people that pushed through Prohibition. It became plain though that the damage caused by Prohibition was worse than the effects of the substance. It made criminal enterprises very profitable, and those profits led to violence on the part of criminals fighting to keep their piece of the action as well as corruption of employees at all levels of government. It also led many people to distrust the government, even to the point of considering it the enemy. Sure, you can stop people from engaging in certain behaviors by holding a gun to their heads, but they generally resent that. I see the same thing happening now with the drug war.

The fact is, there is a fairly high percentage of the population that has used marijuana at some point in their lives, and those that I know seem about as normal as anyone else. Sure there are some oddballs, but they'd be oddballs even if they had never used it.

121 posted on 03/08/2012 11:58:03 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: LukeL

I can’t believe they gave that stuff to kids!


122 posted on 03/09/2012 12:07:03 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Marijuana is hardly evil. Cocaine? Yes. Crack? Yes. Meth? Yes.

I’ve smoked pot and my soul is fully intact.


123 posted on 03/09/2012 12:11:09 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: dupree

Somehow I doubt the Marijuana had something to do with the murder.


124 posted on 03/09/2012 12:13:03 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Mariner

This idea that idea that someone can do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm others isn’t entirely the case.
That is my main issue with pot (especially harder drugs) is the health issues related to long term use.
Once again, who pays who those..probably not the pot head/useer but other people.
Now if they opted out of any health care services related to long term use then maybe its truely a matter of individual choice.


125 posted on 03/09/2012 12:57:28 AM PST by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: DNA.2012
If a drug is likely to lead someone to harming others...

“Drug use is wrong because it is immoral and it is immoral because it enslaves the mind and destroys the soul.” -James Q. Wilson

126 posted on 03/09/2012 3:52:49 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: CaptainKrunch; Mariner; garjog

CaptainCrunch, marijuana may indeed be a soul destroyer, but alcohol destroys souls, relationships, lives and families.

When alcohol gets a grip on a human being, for a single unusual night or the throes of ongoing addiction, there are few drugs as destructive or evil.

Sure, we can all have a beer and not get drunk or crazy. And it is also true one cannot smoke pot without having an effect.

But once people cross the dose level for alcohol, they can become wildly unpredictable, and behavior can run the gamut from giggling-tipsy to homicidal with every behavior variant in between.

Ask any cop or healthcare worker. There is a common theme in incidents they have ALL been involved in which range from the absurdly funny to the frighteningly scary, and that common theme is alcohol.

I say this from the perspective of someone who works in healthcare and who grew up with an alcoholic parent. There is no comparison whatsoever.


127 posted on 03/09/2012 3:53:11 AM PST by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: tbpiper; DNA.2012
“Drug use is wrong because it is immoral and it is immoral because it enslaves the mind and destroys the soul.” -James Q. Wilson

It doesn't follow that because something is "immoral" it should be illegal. Furthermore, it doesn't follow that making it illegal because it is "immoral" means that the resultant state of affairs will be better for society. What James Q. Wilson said about "drug use" is exactly what Carrie Nation and others said who, working in concert, brought us both Prohibition and the income tax, neither of which have been very good for society.

The first was bad because it resulted in an even greater use of alcohol, the creation of true interstate and international organized crime, and a general disdain of law. The second was bad because, being used as an excuse to replace federal revenue lost from liquor taxes, it has led directly to an expansion of government spending that has never stopped and that now literally endangers the very life of the nation. And all this because some do-gooders wanted to enshrine in law their own particular view of how other people should live.

They wanted to use law to retrofit society for their idea of paradise.
128 posted on 03/09/2012 4:04:35 AM PST by aruanan
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To: LukeL

Set him straight Al Osika.


129 posted on 03/09/2012 4:19:27 AM PST by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Leep

Edited:

This idea that someone can do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm others isn’t entirely the case when it comes to pot/drugs.
My main issue with pot (especially harder drugs) is the health issues related to long term use.
Once again, who pays for the health related issues related to pot/drugs..probably not the pot head/useer but other people.
Now if they opted out of any health care services related to long term use maybe then would truely a matter of individual choice.

Otherwise, ya ever known anyone who is truely addicted to video/internet games. SOmething weird about 30-40 y/o spending 12-14 hours a day playing space wars or whatever.


130 posted on 03/09/2012 4:26:20 AM PST by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: aruanan
They wanted to use law to retrofit society for their idea of paradise.

Wouldn't legalizing pot be retrofitting society with the pothead's idea of paradise?

131 posted on 03/09/2012 4:26:57 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Antoninus
Drug Violence in Mexico is killing thousands of people - many innocent, many law enforcement types.

License and regulate it. Stop the killing.

132 posted on 03/09/2012 4:35:52 AM PST by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)
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To: DNA.2012

Truth is, alcohol is much worse than pot when it comes to causing someone to harm others


133 posted on 03/09/2012 4:49:09 AM PST by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I have to say that in my 60+ years of living, I can’t recall ever seeing a stoned person that wanted to fight anyone. I can’t say the same for persons that have been drinking.


134 posted on 03/09/2012 5:14:16 AM PST by bruoz
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And that is legal and prescribed pharmaceutical. Maranol has been around for many years in many forms....For those with severe pain it has been a good thing


135 posted on 03/09/2012 5:28:37 AM PST by Nifster
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To: dupree

I just read about a triple-murder in eastern Washington State-—a mother and her two sons, a 3rd grader and a 5th grader. All three were strangled by a 22-year-old LOSER that the family felt sorry for and took in to help out. Two friends told police that this LOSER came over to their house hours after the murders to play video games after a night of cocaine and smoking pot. And there are thousands more stories like these out there. Yes, our society definitely needs more LOSERS like him. P.S. If you’re wondering, this LOSER shot and killed himself later that day.


I know about those horrible stories.

Abuse in any form is bad.


136 posted on 03/09/2012 5:29:52 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Mariner

And I can assure you that it is my experience that what I said is also true....and I am most definitely NOT co-dependent but thanks for throwing around the psycho-babble. Enjoy your smoke....


137 posted on 03/09/2012 5:30:33 AM PST by Nifster
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The Mafia moved from one form of crime to more sophisticated forms. The only thing that has weakened it ever has been law enforcement take downs. To think that Mafia does not have a massive and effective organization is naive.


138 posted on 03/09/2012 5:47:21 AM PST by Nifster
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To: FerociousRabbit

Those millions who responsibly gamble, drink, smoke marijuana and the millions who don’t are already paying for the millions of irresponsible ones through taxes that fund social programs, health & drug abuse costs, mortgage assistance programs, unemployment and countless other programs - do you actually think that those costs will not go up dramatically with the legalization of gambling & marijuana ?

That’s the real liberal nanny state, cradle to grave government assistance - find a way to eliminate those programs for the irresponsible first and they you have a case.


139 posted on 03/09/2012 6:03:08 AM PST by PMAS (Romney = Democrat tested, Soros approved)
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To: U-238
Drats, you beat me to it! So in your honor... The Lawrence Welk Show
140 posted on 03/09/2012 6:05:25 AM PST by Vesuvian
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

I’ve smoked pot and my soul is fully intact.


Same here.


141 posted on 03/09/2012 6:15:17 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: bruoz

I have to say that in my 60+ years of living, I can’t recall ever seeing a stoned person that wanted to fight anyone. I can’t say the same for persons that have been drinking.


I’m 61 and can say the same.


142 posted on 03/09/2012 6:18:33 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Nifster

Provide your documentation that the Mafia is not now only a minor player. Tax (NOT DRUG) prosecutions brought the Mafia low.


143 posted on 03/09/2012 6:50:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Leep

Why is it that normally rational, thinking people lose all common sense when it comes to a legalization discussion?

You said:
“That is my main issue with pot (especially harder drugs) is the health issues related to long term use.”

It therefore follows that:
Trans-fats are bad for you. They have have proven, long-term health risks. Ban trans-fats!

Tobacco has proven, long-term health risks. Ban it!

Drinking too much alcohol has proven, long-term health risks. Ban it!

Who pays for the proven, long-term problems asociated with obesity? Should we lock up every over-weight person? Shut down any restaurant that serves a customer a meal over 200 calories? Mandate what foods may be eaten? Why must I pay for the health care services of fat people?

Then you said:
“Now if they opted out of any health care services related to long term use then maybe its truely a matter of individual choice.”

It therefore follows that:
If every fat person opted out of any health care services (or anyone with any health issues opted out of any health care issues related to long term lifestyle choices for that matter) then you might have an argument because it would truely be a matter of individual choice.

Come on... if you look at what you said, objectively, then there is absolutely no way you can believe you have any kind of an argument here.


144 posted on 03/09/2012 7:19:58 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: af_vet_rr
The people who would abuse it if it was legal are the ones who are abusing it now, when it's illegal.

Wrong. Millions of people have never tried drugs or become regular users simply because there is a societal/legal sanction against it. Take that away, add in the fact that it will then be legal to advertise and make drugs easily available to everyone, and you've got a scenario for a societal breakdown like what existed in Opium War-era China.
145 posted on 03/09/2012 7:47:31 AM PST by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Pat is making stupid comments lately. Just last month he said he wished Santorum “would stop talking all this theology nonsense”. Since when does a preacher want a public person to stop talking about God???

Pat is also a big Romney supporter. I knew he was senile when I heard that.


146 posted on 03/09/2012 7:50:05 AM PST by ClarenceThomasfan (If Romney is the nominee, say hello to four more years of Obama!)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan
Since when does a preacher want a public person to stop talking about God???

When the person talking about God is a Catholic.

147 posted on 03/09/2012 7:51:10 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
The drug culture already is mainstream. The drug prohibition is treated like the 55mph speed limit used to be - it's ignored by everyone except law enforcement.

Are you kidding? Mainstream is a Hashish Bar on Main Street. Mainstream is a billboard for Chico's Sophisticated Crank on the I-95. Mainstream is commercials for Stoner's Pot Palace on TV. Mainstream is a pop-up ad for high-quality needles on Yahoo.com.

Do you honestly think that legalizing drugs won't result in orders of magnitude more users? And who will pay for the catastrophic results of that many more drug users?

Our culture is in the toilet already. Legalizing drugs would be the flush.
148 posted on 03/09/2012 7:56:40 AM PST by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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To: EEGator
...and Holland.

By all means, let's use countries that are in the midst of self-annihilation as our role models. And btw, even the Dutch aren't completely stupid:

Holland scrapping liberal policies on drugs and brothels to clean up image

Netherlands Marijuana Law: Dutch Government To Classify Marijuana As Hard Drug
149 posted on 03/09/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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To: Antoninus

I didn’t say anything pro or con. I was replying to the poster who said Switzerland. Thanks for the attitude though...


150 posted on 03/09/2012 8:18:52 AM PST by EEGator
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