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FDNY's Failure To Hire Minorities Could Cost Taxpayers $128 Million In Back Wages
gothamist.com ^ | March 9, 2012 | John Del Signore

Posted on 03/09/2012 4:23:41 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

A federal judge has ordered the city to pay an estimated $128 million in back wages to minorities who applied to be firefighters with the FDNY, which is still 97 percent white and allegedly racist. Black and Hispanic applicants who took the department’s screening test in 1999 or 2002 and were not selected will be contacted about the settlement, which is intended to "recreate the conditions and relationships that would have been had there been no unlawful discrimination."

An expert witness for the Justice Department, Bernard Siskin, calculated the amount of wages black and Hispanic applicants would have earned had they passed the entrance exam at the same rates as white applicants. The amount to be paid out, however, will be offset against how much the applicants actually earned during the time period they could have been firefighters. But the City Law Department claims that when the final calculations are made, the city will have to pay will be far less than $128 million, and maybe nothing at all.

The ruling comes on the eve of the FDNY's annual testing, which begins next week with a new "racially acceptable" test, as the Daily News puts it. 61,000 applicants will compete for a few thousand positions, and NY1 reports that blacks make up 23 percent of the applicants and another 23 percent are Hispanic.

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1 posted on 03/09/2012 4:23:45 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

More of Barry’s Chicago-style “wealth redistribution”. It used to be called theft back in the day.


2 posted on 03/09/2012 4:25:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for Americans to WEAN the government off of OUR money!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

.............Concord!..........circa 1776..........the British are coming, the British are coming.............

Who’s going to be our General Washington?


3 posted on 03/09/2012 4:27:27 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

128 million.

No work performed. None.

OUTRAGEOUS!

This country needs a Fort Sumter moment in the worst way.


4 posted on 03/09/2012 4:28:34 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Being a good fireman means some smarts and some brute strength. I don’t know what’s going on at FDNY, or what the admission tests look like, but based on the great overrepresentation of people of Negro descent in sports, I’d think the brute strength part ought to be easier for them if anything. So if they are falling down it is on the smarts part. Even the “bell curve” does not seem to explain the purported 97% of successful applicants being white, however. I wonder if it is a “pox on both their houses” situation.


5 posted on 03/09/2012 4:32:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"racially acceptable" test

What, exactly, does that mean?

6 posted on 03/09/2012 4:32:59 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

President Newt.

Give Newt the Presidency and he will work with Congress to disembowel the black robed tyrants.


7 posted on 03/09/2012 4:34:39 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
and NY takes another one in the........

8 posted on 03/09/2012 4:34:44 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And how many of this group have already collected $50K because they were ‘farmers’?


9 posted on 03/09/2012 4:35:37 PM PST by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A federal judge has ordered the city to pay an estimated $128 million in back wages to minorities who applied to be firefighters with the FDNY, which is still 97 percent white and allegedly racist.
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GREAT NEWS!!! Let the NY taxpayers foot the bill and let’s see a good, old fashioned, knock down drag out, race war in the Liberal Bastion of NYC. Let the good times roll, mama.


10 posted on 03/09/2012 4:41:28 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

NYC. Unions. The word you’re looking for is nepotism.


11 posted on 03/09/2012 4:44:29 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Pigford for never were firefighters , Pigford for never were ( fill in the blank )


12 posted on 03/09/2012 4:44:29 PM PST by molson209
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To: Free ThinkerNY

LMAO: A new racially acceptable test.

Meaning 2+2 =4 Dumbing down the teats for blacks, and the funny thing is whites will still do better on the test and they will have to come up with a new scheme to get them on the Fire Department.

I have witnessed this garbage for 50 years.

The money is merely reparations .

They lower the teast then in a few years promotion tests come up. The idiots who couldnt pass the entrance exam now cannot pass the promotion test and they cry , and piss and moan about no black officers, so then they dumb down the promotion exam, whites still do better and they come up with a new scenario scam, where they ask verbal questions and score by how black the candidate is.

Been there done that.


13 posted on 03/09/2012 4:45:30 PM PST by Venturer
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To: no dems

“...let’s see a good, old fashioned, knock down drag out, race war in the Liberal Bastion of NYC.”

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Don’t hold your breath.

Recognizing arrogant racist theft is not the progressive, enlightened, worldly thing to do.

That behavior is for the knuckle-dragging, “far right” haters out in flyover land.


14 posted on 03/09/2012 4:48:15 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Cen-Tejas

April, 1775. But we get the message. Where is today’s Paul Revere?


15 posted on 03/09/2012 4:48:24 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: wiggen

The word excaping everyone is the affirmative action welfare cheats want more and more reguardless that they are not qualified to park cars.


16 posted on 03/09/2012 4:49:35 PM PST by tiger63
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To: EyeGuy

“This country needs a Fort Sumter moment in the worst way.”

Sumter. Lexington/Concord. Both “made a statement” that could not be ignored. I’d say we’re headed that way again.


17 posted on 03/09/2012 4:51:02 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: tiger63

And so the polarized finger pointing goes on and on, and nothing gets solved.


18 posted on 03/09/2012 5:00:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: tiger63

My comment was directed towards the pox on both their houses statement. There’s no question more people want more for nothing with every passing day.


19 posted on 03/09/2012 5:00:12 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How can we end this nonsense?


20 posted on 03/09/2012 5:00:32 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: EyeGuy

That behavior is for the knuckle-dragging, “far right” haters out in flyover land.
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Well, then, count me in that group. I’m tired of being bent over without the Vaseline. I’m ready to start fighting. Hell, I’m down for a CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION.


21 posted on 03/09/2012 5:06:32 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

new “racially acceptable” test means unqualified people hired through affirmative action public saftey comes second giving the unqualified because of the color of thier skin a job is more important. Cowards need to confront


22 posted on 03/09/2012 5:13:00 PM PST by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

new “racially acceptable” test means unqualified people hired through affirmative action public saftey comes second giving the unqualified because of the color of thier skin a job is more important. Cowards need to confront


23 posted on 03/09/2012 5:13:17 PM PST by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Didn't a similar thing go on in New Haven, CT some years ago where they intentionally dumbed down the exam so as to bring on ‘enough’ minorities to the Fire Department?

The whites sued and won I believe.

Paging Mark Levin...can this be appealed using the New Haven case as precedent or something? Please contact the FDNY asap!

24 posted on 03/09/2012 5:18:03 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You have to be a lot smarter than you think to work in an urban fire department - chemistry involving combustion is part of it. If you looked at the test and considered that an IQ of 85 is average for blacks, the difficulty would be obvious - especially when AA gives its “beneficiaries” a raging sense of entitlement and a belief that studying is a “white” thing.


25 posted on 03/09/2012 5:24:31 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: wiggen

Nepotism? Mainly a barrier for whites. Blacks in general don’t pass these or any other exams at remotely comparable levels as whites.


26 posted on 03/09/2012 5:26:51 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Venturer

I’m afraid that’s easy. They give a bonus for “life experience.”
Obviously Asians and Whites don’t have any “life experience” and Blacks and Hispanics do.


27 posted on 03/09/2012 5:29:16 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: wiggen

This is one of those very rare instances where the plaintiffs probably have a pretty good case.

97% white is just too skewed for something to not be amiss.


28 posted on 03/09/2012 5:40:55 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: achilles2000

For a difference of one standard deviation (and some sources see modern school children closing that gap) to mean a 97% fail rate still sounds a bit odd.


29 posted on 03/09/2012 5:46:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It means that blacks who do not pass the written exam are given preferential treatment over those who score well on the test.

The Vulcans are akin to ACORN, Jesse Jackson and the entire Obama administration. Black applicants who do not score well enough to make the hiring list are pushed up to the top of the list and hired through threats of intimidation, litigation and an accompanying federal decree.


30 posted on 03/09/2012 5:53:38 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I’d be curious about Asian Oriental representation in passing that test.

They are known for smarts, maybe not that much for brute strength but that differs from individual to individual — there are husky Koreans, Chinese, Japanese etc.

The world is not just all either Negro or Caucasian.


31 posted on 03/09/2012 5:57:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Where are my checks from the NBA and NFL?


32 posted on 03/09/2012 6:00:42 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Shouldn’t be a problem for NYC ... I’m sure the Bloom will find something to tax to provide for the payment. Betcha when the word gets out, the payout ends up way more than 128 million!


33 posted on 03/09/2012 6:10:50 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Wait until they discover there are not enough minority brain and heart surgeons .... now that could really prove to be fatal!


34 posted on 03/09/2012 6:14:28 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The NBA benches (AKA "Good Jobs At *Very* Good Wages) are 97% black.I can either sue or accept that merit justifies that fact.

I think I'll sue.

35 posted on 03/09/2012 6:15:41 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Massachusetts...proud home of *two* of Obama's illegal alien relatives!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
...had they passed the entrance exam at the same rates as white applicants

And New York City will STILL vote to reelect the Kenyan communist Ubama.

36 posted on 03/09/2012 6:18:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RetiredTexasVet
Wait until they discover there are not enough minority brain and heart surgeons .... now that could really prove to be fatal

I would rather suffer and wait as long as possible for a white doctor than take a chance with a minority doctor or surgeon. In fact, you have to presume (fair or not) that any minority professional got where he (or she) is thanks to affirmative action, and not brains, qualifications, merit, or hard work. Apparently, minorities like it that way or they wouldn't keep voting for Democrats.

Man, if I was a smart, hard-working black man I would be absolutely beside myself with rage at affirmative action and the scumbag Democrats who use it as a slimy way to pander.

37 posted on 03/09/2012 6:26:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeaHawkFan

“97% white is just too skewed for something to not be amiss.”

Because we all know whitey just isn’t that smart....

Bet if 97% of NBA players were black, that wouldn’t seem out of line to you.


38 posted on 03/09/2012 6:33:52 PM PST by I am bigjohn
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To: SeaHawkFan

In NYC firefighting is in the family. The sons and nephews and cousins of firefighters volunteer early and learn the trade from their kin. They know what they are doing and hence do well on the exams. This only makes for a better, more closely knit and knowledgeable department. At the same time nothing keeps anyone of any race from passing the tests and demonstrating the aptitude expect a lack of motivation and smarts perhaps. . . There simply wasn’t a shred of evidence of racial bias demonstrated by the plaintiffs.


39 posted on 03/09/2012 7:20:17 PM PST by Catphish
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To: Lancey Howard
I would rather suffer and wait as long as possible for a white doctor than take a chance with a minority doctor or surgeon.

Having worked for 20 years at a world famous Boston hospital I think I can speak on this issue.In short,a good percentage of black physicians with whom I worked seemed,for all the world,to be very talented and fully qualified.However,more than a few didn't seem to be qualified..perhaps a somewhat higher percentage than is found among white physicians.

IMO "affirmative action" is very damaging to those black people who *are* qualified to be physicians,lawyers,accountants,cops,etc.

40 posted on 03/09/2012 7:36:40 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Massachusetts...proud home of *two* of Obama's illegal alien relatives!)
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To: Catphish
There simply wasn’t a shred of evidence of racial bias demonstrated by the plaintiffs.

As if that's gonna prevent some Federal judge (a "wise Latina",perhaps) from ruling otherwise.

41 posted on 03/09/2012 7:39:31 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Massachusetts...proud home of *two* of Obama's illegal alien relatives!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Of course not. Expect racially biased firefighter exams? Someone please explain this to me. Does anyone really buy that?


42 posted on 03/09/2012 9:02:35 PM PST by Catphish
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To: Gay State Conservative
...a good percentage of black physicians with whom I worked seemed,for all the world,to be very talented and fully qualified.However,more than a few didn't seem to be qualified..perhaps a somewhat higher percentage than is found among white physicians. IMO "affirmative action" is very damaging to those black people who *are* qualified to be physicians,lawyers,accountants,cops,etc.

Yep. Who wants to take a chance when their life might be at stake? Not me.
Yet blacks will thank their Democrat masters by continuing to re-elect them. Go figure.

43 posted on 03/09/2012 9:42:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Catphish
Of course not. Expect racially biased firefighter exams? Someone please explain this to me. Does anyone really buy that?

Of course not.

44 posted on 03/09/2012 9:43:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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