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To: Utmost Certainty
a lot of the Ron Paul kids probably aren't going away and will continue to assert an active role within the party. So there'll have to be some corresponding evolution in the Republican party IMO, or it will certainly go extinct as it's on the precipice of doing now.

There's no fit in the party for the Ron Paul activists. If you look at their forums, if Ron Paul's not nominated, their next choices are Libertarian Party Gary Johnson, Obama, a tiny bit of Romney, and I think I saw one Newt guy. They absolutely despise Santorum 100% down the line on every issue. They despise social conservatives, moral values, family values and are vigorously anti-war. Their states' rights issues is much less about a core conviction than it is a cynical vehicle to make it easier for them to stop war and pass radical policies locally that would never fly nationally. Economic issues are not really their biggest focus despite Ron Paul's using that plank most often to try to persuade Republicans to vote for him. I noticed the Keystone Pipeline was one of the few issues that actually divided them right down the middle. The absolute best and only approach we should take is to marginalize Ron Paul and expose him as the radical he is, so that he doesn't peel off soft Republican voters who just like his economic talking points.

31 posted on 03/10/2012 12:26:41 PM PST by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: JediJones
There's no fit in the party for the Ron Paul activists. If you look at their forums, if Ron Paul's not nominated, their next choices are Libertarian Party Gary Johnson, Obama, a tiny bit of Romney, and I think I saw one Newt guy. They absolutely despise Santorum 100% down the line on every issue. They despise social conservatives, moral values, family values and are vigorously anti-war. Their states' rights issues is much less about a core conviction than it is a cynical vehicle to make it easier for them to stop war and pass radical policies locally that would never fly nationally. Economic issues are not really their biggest focus despite Ron Paul's using that plank most often to try to persuade Republicans to vote for him. I noticed the Keystone Pipeline was one of the few issues that actually divided them right down the middle. The absolute best and only approach we should take is to marginalize Ron Paul and expose him as the radical he is, so that he doesn't peel off soft Republican voters who just like his economic talking points.

I can't speak for RP forums, since I don't frequent them. But I did talk to a bunch of Ron Paul supporters yesterday at some pre-caucus Tea Party rally. The demographic breakdown of Ron Paul supporters was odd/interesting—mostly young people <30 or elderly people >60, with few in between.

There were a few kooks in the bunch, but most of the individuals I spoke to were quite reasonable, decently informed, and voiced legitimate concerns about the overactive role of government, the necessity for free and open markets, the urgency for massive spending cuts, sound money, etc.

Yeah, Ron Paul supporters hate Santorum. But I'm convinced that if the Republican party doesn't begin co-opting some of these planks in a very serious and profound way, then it will continue to diminish in political viability. Sarah Palin said as much also re: her suggestion to not drive away Ron Paul supporters from the party. I think Newt sees the writing on the wall here as well, which is part of why he's been keen to push states' rights and a gold standard as components of his message (and because they are genuinely good ideas).

The GOP won't survive if it fixates on social issues.
32 posted on 03/10/2012 1:07:47 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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