This is definately a "hold onto your butts" moment. Prayers to our troops!
Posted on 03/11/2012 5:35:47 AM PDT by DCBryan1
A US soldier has killed 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, after entering their homes in Kandahar. Sky sources said the Afghan victims also included women and elderly men.
Minister of Border and Tribal Affairs Asadullah Khalid, who is investigating the incident, said the soldier entered three homes, killing 11 people in the first one.
The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) coalition confirmed the incident but did not release the number of killed or injured.
Sky defence reporter Mark Stone said: "Details are still sketchy and various death tolls have emerged.
"It appears to be an isolated incident and the soldier is believed to have been a staff sergeant."
Isaf Deputy Commander Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw said: "I wish to convey my profound regrets and dismay at the actions apparently taken by one coalition member in Kandahar province.
"I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts, but they were in no way part of authorised ISAF military activity."
According to the Panjwai district governor office, seven people died and up to 17 injured were injured in the rampage.
The injured have been treated for their wounds at Nato medical facilities.
Protests were held over the Koran-burning incident
The US embassy in Kabul attempted to quell expected Afghan unrest by also issuing an apology.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...
I refuse to believe, until further proof, that some American soldier just walked in and started killing simply for the sake of killing....however, stranger things have happened, and with the likes of MAJ Hasan, the little fag in the wikileaks case, etc within the ranks, nothing would suprise me.
Methinks the whole story hasn't been told yet, but if this breaks as hard as it is on Fox/CNN as it is on BBC and Sky News as it is now.....watch out.
But the important thing is that no Korans were burned.
Maybe he was enraged when they burned a few bibles.
Don’t be silly. This was simply an isolated incident of workplace violence! <./BigSis>
After the nationwide rioting and killings motivated by the burning of the terrorist Korans, buckle up for this one.
It’s Sunday morning. Can we hold off on the moronic comments for a few hours?
This is definately a "hold onto your butts" moment. Prayers to our troops!
Can we? :)
Apparently not.
He will be allowed to be tried by the Afganis and either stoned to death or beheaded for the world to see the power of Islam, thank you mr president!
Gust a guess lacking anything but speculation...
He snapped and the people involved were honor killers/killers of a local ‘friend’ or other similar person that he had personal knowledge of/involvement. Surprised it has not happened more
My take:
If true The O will use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan. If untrue, The O will still use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Not good enough source, because muslim=liar.
Let's hear from a non-knuckledragger.
The cover story is this soldier left the barracks on his own early in the morning and began his “rampage”. The media will crucify this guy and the President will hang him out to dry. Hell they will probably call him a terrorist since its an attack on Muslims.
They don’t like it when they get a taste of their own medicine I see...
They don’t like it when they get a taste of their own medicine I see...
Why? Many among us will today, go to a place where truly moronic, and anti American sentiments will be expressed in the name of worship. Statements here reek of likely truth laced with sarcasm.
Really? Reward him?
Will you also reward the people who are going to be maimed and possibly die because of the riots that will occur over this?
Sure, toss them a purple heart and feel bad with the kid no with no legs as you stroll on.
This is a horrendous act. And, this will end up with the Taliban winning.
I know your comment was not “serious”, but this is a bad, bad thing. This idiot just kicked over a really big ant hill.
I believe Obama is deliberately bleeding out our troops, money, and ammunition in Afghanistan while at the same time providing the means for both Pakistan and Afghanistan to abandon both their alliance with the US against terror and a Constitution supposedly affirming religious freedom - and instead follow the “Muslim agenda” of full, unapologetic sharia (an agenda Obama told the Egyptian ambassador he supports, as he was and still is a Muslim).
As you say, this could be the press misrepresenting a battle scenario. Or it could be Obama himself planting somebody there with orders to do something like this to further enrage the Afghanistanis - to help cover the fact that Obama’s apologies did NOT stop the violence in Afghanistan and to serve the “Muslim agenda” in the way mentioned in the previous paragraph.
I really, really hope that people in the military leadership - if there are any who are still faithful to their oaths to protect this country and its Constitution - will seriously consider that the enemies DOMESTIC are the most dangerous ones, and particularly since both communism and Islamism (America’s 2 greatest enemies) have said their tactic will be to degrade our system FROM WITHIN.
I can’t honestly defend what this guy did...but the Taliban have already won. Afghan’s prez is already working out surrender details. Time to leave that hell hole.
I’ve seen it on Foxnews:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/11/us-service-member-detained-for-allegedly-shooting-afghan-civilians-nato-says/#ixzz1ommuC4Oo?test=latestnews
Being the parent of a Marine over there now, I see this as a truly devastating event. The motives of the detained service member will be disclosed.
Justice.
THE SOLDIER MUST BE TRIED AT HOME.
How many Afghan citizens are murdered every week by the Taliban? Let’s see what the reaction of the Afghan people at this time.
If they riot and attack us for vengeance, if one of our military members is killed in vengeance,
I will say what I have not EVER said, “Get them all out,” because, if we are attacked in vengeance than in all justice the native Afghanistan people who riot should be rioting and avenging those murdered by the Taliban.
Period. If they avenge these people against our military, then they do not respect our just laws and consider us the enemy but do not consider the Taliban the enemy when they kill their own.
Karzai, this is another test for you, and another test for all the people of Afghanistan.
Petraus, if this military campaign falls apart it is because of YOUR strategies and God help the US with you as the head of the CIA.
There has to be more to the story. This guys was an E-6 and it is unlikely that he would just “go off” like that for no reason.
Can someone tell me why we’re there?
——A US soldier has killed 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children,——
16 Afghan civilians.....or 16 Taliban ?
Nine children or nine young adult males ?
I’d wait to see the whole story..... If true.....firing sqad
I agree. Do we know what the actual mission is, more importantly do those serving know? Our leaders have recklessly deployed our military too many times where the mission is much more complex than winning the war. We waste our treasure and military lives defending corrupt governments that are not even pro USA. Get our military out now and start defending the USA borders.
You know I bet most who think we should be over there haven’t spent a minute in uniform.
Nothing is what it appears to be with this administration. I refuse the article pending hard facts from a source independent of the administration that’s not full blown socialist.
"You train young men to drop fire on people, but you won't let them write 'F#&K' on the side of their airplanes . . . because it's 'obscene'!"
It's amazing how disconnected I am from what goes on in that sh!t-hole over there. When I read the post just now, my first reaction was: "If a U.S. soldier flipped out and killed 16 civilians, I guess it's better there than here."
Given where this happened, there could be some rather extreme back story.
I would not rule out, perhaps even a local gf honor killed or something.
Be nice if everyone waited for the whole story.
Nation Building screw that.
Seriously. I mean, this soldier went insane and killed 16 civilians, but at least he didn't do anything really awful and burn a Koran.
Funny how they are NATO troops when they are killed and US troops when they kill.
Now I personally think we should have left years ago, that said. obama and the administration will use this or a trio of events like this, including the koran burning to bug out.
He will have us leave in shame, apologizing all the way home while he quietly rejoices at destroying America's military.
But that won't stop us from apologizing (read advertising) now and endangering all the other troops.
I’m surprised there haven’t been more cases. our young men and women are trained as warriors, then shackled and turned into non-retributive targets. It has to take a tremendous emotional toll to see us ignoring the atrocities of the enemy (if you can still refer to them as “enemy”, and punishing our guys for defending themselves in hot zones or for burning “sacred” korans whie ordering the burning of Bibles as a concession to the enemy. It sickens me as a retired AF troop and I was never put in harms way.
“If true The O will use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan. If untrue, The O will still use the incident to accelerate our withdrawal from Afghanistan.”
I really don’t care anymore. Just get our troops out of there.
There’s no point in our being there any longer. There’s no point in another American soldier being killed or wounded there. Nothing we do (or refrain from doing) at this point is going to “save” the Afghans from a fate they seem to -want-. Nothing we do is going to turn them from Islam.
We -might- have “turned them” from Islam, but it would have involved actions that would have been perceived on the world stage as totalitarian, draconian, and unacceptable. We weren’t willing to do that, so the results we are seeing are the predictable product of an ill-conceived mission.
There’s no logical reason to waste our blood and our time and treasure there any more. Let the Afghans rot in a mess of their own making.
That’s my opinion only.
I realize yours may be different.
“Never give an order that can’t be obeyed.” —Douglas MacArthur
I’m hopeful that this is an explainable incident. Our soldiers are very well trained, but that some crack under the nutty ROE and the fact that any action they take against a wily and pernicious enemy may end in court martial is wholly believable as well.
The best case result of our “nation-building” efforts among the practitioners of Islam is that Islam in its Wahhabist or Salafist form is incompatible with liberty as understood and practiced in America. Given that both Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t crucibles of mad anti-American strife gives me hope for Muslims outside of America.
Right in the heart of Islam there are a majority of Muslims who just want to live life and improve their lot is a good thing. That there were no riots in the US speaks to this.
Agreed. And I’m afraid neither side will tell us the truth. The muzzies won’t because they lie and want to hit us anyway they can and our side due to fear of upsetting the muzzies. Most likely it was justified as a part of a war, like you said, terrorists hiding behind skirts and chilren, but our higher ups have been hit with the lefts poliitcal correctness.
Your comment is both dumb and unAmerican.
Good analysis. If they were over the age of 12 they may already be stone killers and obviously every Taliban is a civilian.
So nobama can kill a US citizen as he pleases or others when a drone blows when he feels like it. So...what’s the issue here?
I cannot believe they are flirting with the idea of turning the Bagram prison over to the Nationals to run. That would be suicidal; Afghan is a perpetual House of Horrors on those who are forced to adhere to COIN.
All the nations of the ME are incapable of governing themselves(save Israel). It has been proven time and again. The failures stretch back many centuries. They fare better when ruled by a benevolent empire.
And we haven’t the belly for empire.
We never should have attempted nation building..it’s nonsense.
When aroused to anger by their madness we should just destroy their entire infrastructure from the air and lift not a finger to help them out of their squalor and insanity.
Hire mercenaries and issue letters of marque and reprisal against their shipping. Assassinate any abusive leaders, blockade their ports, allow no air traffic in or out of their countries. Jam their communications non-stop. Disconnect their fiber links to the net. Destroy their bridges and major roadways.
Keep the bastards so busy trying to survive that they have little time to throw acid in little girls faces as they walk to school.
Yup, I’m pissed.
While calling for Sharia, get real, Islam is a gutter religion based on a false prophet who took advantage of Hagar’s son (Even God said the nation spawned from Ishmael would never want to get along with his brother). Muslims are a bunch of perpetual ingrates who need to be left alone to their own devices.
It’s not inconceivable that somebody should snap. But it’s not inconceivable that the MSM is doing what it does best, too.
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