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Let Syria Be (We should stop enmeshing ourselves ever deeper in the Muslim morass)
National Review Online ^ | 10 March 2012 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 03/11/2012 5:53:03 AM PDT by Notary Sojac

"We will hold sacred the beliefs held sacred by others.”

That’s the concluding rally cry of the U.S. Department of Defense’s newly issued guidance on the “Proper Handling and Disposal of Islamic Religious Materials — Service Members/Civilian Training.” Here’s how it works: Mainstream Muslims throughout the Middle East believe, based on the Koran and other “Islamic Religious Materials,” that if an infidel force invades a Muslim territory, its members must be killed until the force has been driven out. They further believe that if non-Muslims commit some act — even an inadvertent one — that Muslims perceive as insulting to Islam, a campaign of murder and mayhem is justified.

Our response? We will hold sacred the beliefs held sacred by others.

So as Afghans kill Americans, as our “allied” Afghan trainees turn their guns on their American mentors, Americans policymakers debase themselves by ordering “training to increase awareness of cultural and religious sensitivities regarding Islamic Religious Materials.” As Afghans kill Americans, as the Afghan president demands that Americans be tried and punished for accidentally burning Korans that jihadists had already defiled, our president apologizes for our purported insensitivity. As Afghans kill Americans and explain that the Koran commands them to do so, U.S. policy is to give each captured jihadist a Koran. As Afghans kill Americans and derive support from the Koran’s injunction that Muslims “make ready [against non-Muslims] your strength . . . to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60), U.S. military commanders instruct our troops that the Koran, which non-Muslims are unfit to touch, “is regarded as the verbatim Word of God; the primary source of Islamic guidance.” And, of course, we will hold sacred the beliefs held sacred by others.

Just as this DoD “mandatory guidance” was made public, we began debating whether the United States ought to jump into yet another Muslim civil war — this time in Syria, where the murderous Assad regime is embroiled in a fight to the death with its Islamist opponents, thousands of whom it has killed.

I’ve argued that we’ve had our fill of a region teeming with hatred of the United States and the West, that we have no vital interest in the outcome of internecine savagery between an anti-American Muslim dictator and anti-American Muslim supremacists, and that if they insist on slaughtering each other, we should just buy some popcorn (which is all our tapped-out nation can afford, anyway) and watch the show, accepting the grim silver lining that as they weaken themselves they become less threatening to us. This has prompted a characteristically thorough response from Michael Ledeen. Besides being one of my best friends in the world, Michael is one of the world’s smartest guys — and the one who, for over a decade, has been more right than any other commentator about Iran and its paramount role in jihadist terror.

It is worth remembering why Michael was right when so many were wrong. American policymakers, he has long contended, lack a strategic vision regarding the threat. The terror masters in Tehran are the catalyst: spawning Hezbollah in the early Eighties; training, harboring, and abetting al-Qaeda since the early Nineties; collaborating with Syria, North Korea, China, and Russia; similarly backing Sunnis (not only al-Qaeda but Pakistani warlords, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Hamas branch, and even Iran’s former bitter enemy, the Taliban) as long as they worked against American interests. That being the case, Michael persuasively contends, the war cannot be won without a strategy for defeating the mullahs.

Michael is also a deep believer — much deeper than I am — in the power of freedom to overcome tyranny and cultural backwardness. He has, for example, long argued against a military invasion of Iran, opining that the regime is hollow and widely despised by the Iranian people. Providing the right kind of support — moral and material — to oppressed Iranians could bring about its demise. You may disagree; I myself am not convinced that the regime can be brought down from within. But I do know this: Michael has a better read on the challenge than most of the people we’ve hired to deal with it. It is the regime, not the nukes.

These points are worth stressing because, while Michael’s broad strategic approach is leaps-and-bounds superior to the wishful incoherence of American policy in the last decade-plus, it, too, has a critical blind spot. Moreover, I do not think he accounts for the principal freedom dynamic in the equation: the fact that we are losing ours, and losing it precisely because of the same deranged U.S. policymakers who would be responsible for, as Michael puts it, “shap[ing] the ideological outlook and future behavior” of Syria once we’ve helped the Muslim Brotherhood oust Assad.

Regarding the blind spot: Yes, Iran is the backbone of the jihadists, but Islamic supremacism is the backbone of Iran — the animating ideology of its revolution and the force that unites the region against the West. Michael says Iran is “the prime mover of radical Islamic terrorists.” I respectfully disagree. The prime mover is their ideology and the fact that it is undeniably rooted in Islamic doctrine — the veneration of which American policymakers promote, absurdly and tragically. To be sure, Iran is the most effective agent of this ideology, and thus, as Michael says, the “centerpiece of the enemy alliance.” Yet not all of our enemies are allied, the alliances that exist are not permanent, and the glue of those alliances is not Iran. Our enemies align because of a shared belief that Islam commands them to fight us — something that would not disappear with Iran’s defeat. Iran is not the reason the United States is despised in the region, including in places where Iran is also despised. Iran is not the reason Afghan trainees shoot their American mentors. The reason is the interpretation of Islam predominant in the Middle East.

Michael is quite right that the region is home to some “friends of America and even would-be democrats, too.” But how much more evidence do we need that these friends and democrats are vastly outnumbered by enemies and shariacrats? More Egyptian elections in which Islamists win 80–20? More polling that tells us 80 percent of Pakistanis want sharia or that a substantial majority of the Iraqis we liberated — who promptly installed a sharia government — still think Americans are legitimate targets for violent jihad?

Michael suggests it is unlikely that our policymakers — the guys who think the answer to jihadist atrocities is serial apologies and Koran-sensitivity training — could make the “real mess of statecraft” it would take to render post-Assad Syria worse for us. The grounds for such confidence elude me. Commonsense statecraft would at least tacitly acknowledge that Islam is a problem. Our regnant bipartisan approach holds that Islam is the solution and that its sharia law must be enshrined in new constitutions. That this arrangement inevitably results in the persecution of religious minorities, apostates, and homosexuals never seems to provoke any rethinking of the arrangement — only the slandering of anyone who inconveniently points out that the arrangement is lunatic.

Our presidents and diplomats exhibit bottomless capacity to believe that by portraying jihadist violence as “anti-Islamic activity,” and mainstream Islam as “moderate” and “tolerant,” we will somehow make it so. And as for shaping the region’s ideological outlook: How’s that going? We’ve been in Afghanistan for more than a decade, and as soon as the current round of mayhem ends, next on tap is a negotiated settlement with the Taliban — which our statecraft guys are orchestrating. After eight years of shaping Iraq, we’ve left behind an Iranian satellite. And the same people responsible for our statecraft in Libya and Egypt would be in charge of Syria policy. In Libya, we’ve replaced a dictator who was actually helping us against terrorists with an Islamist regime rife with al-Qaeda elements, one that instantly installed sharia while systematically slaughtering black Africans. In Egypt, where we spent 30 years and tens of billions of dollars cultivating the military as a bulwark against an Islamist ascendancy, we’ve got an Islamist ascendancy. What reason is there to believe our Syria statecraft will be any better?

Michael maintains that by getting “engaged in the fight” in Syria “we have a better chance of keeping the likes of [al-Qaeda leader Ayman] Zawahiri from penetrating the opposition.” But we did get involved in the fight in Libya, and far from being marginalized, the al-Qaeda operatives rose in the rebel ranks. This was inevitable given our policy: If we are going to farcically genuflect to the Koran, we naturally enhance the prestige of those who claim — with accurate citations of scripture — to fight the West based on the Koran’s injunctions; if we are going to encourage Islamists to rise up against dictators, then those trained, ruthless fighters are apt to become heroic figures.

Michael portrays our challenge as “an apocalyptic/messianic movement of the sort the bin Ladens, Zawahiris, and Khameneis [as in Iran’s “supreme leader,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei] lead.” This, however, is just a part of the challenge, and not necessarily the most threatening part — at least where our liberty is concerned. To suggest otherwise is reminiscent of the Bush and Obama administrations’ myopic focus on “violent extremists,” which assumes the rest of the ummah is “moderate” and “largely secular” — to borrow the infamous meanderings of James Clapper, our incumbent national-intelligence director.

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation are not apocalyptic. They are the patient variety of Islamic supremacist. They are determined to defeat the United States and the West through an incremental campaign — one that complements terrorism with the march of sharia through social institutions. While we worry about Iran and al-Qaeda, it is the Brotherhood and the OIC who co-opt our military, intelligence, and law-enforcement agencies, which then persuade our policymakers that appeasement is the answer to murderous offense and that Israel (an authentic, pro-Western democracy) is the real problem in the Middle East. It is the Brotherhood and the OIC who collaborate with the administration to curtail the First Amendment.

When the war began, our goal was to protect American freedom. A decade later, we find presidents, secretaries of state, commanding generals, senators, and various other officials positing that the cause of Muslim atrocities is not Islamic ideology but American free expression. Islamists here — not in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Syria, but here — have intimidated American government officials from uttering the word “Islam” in any discussion of Muslim terrorism; intimidated the U.S. military into avoiding mention of Islam in a report on the Fort Hood jihadist massacre; intimidated the FBI into excluding information about Islamist ideology in its counterterrorism training materials; and are currently trying to intimidate the New York City Police Department — guardians of the nation’s No. 1 terror target — into ceasing its surveillance of Muslim neighborhoods.

What is the rationale for buckling under the intimidation? The notion that upsetting Muslims will trigger the violence to which they are prone in that part of the world, endangering our troops and undermining our precarious efforts to remake the region. But who asked anyone to remake the region? The American people never called for that — there is certainly nothing about it in the authorization for the use of military force.

Like most Americans, I am all for crushing our enemies. I fully agree with Michael that Iran is already at war with us whether we like it or not — and, unlike Michael, I am pretty convinced that the regime cannot be toppled unless we resort to military force. Nevertheless, I want to defeat our enemies and be done with them. I do not believe we owe it to them to rebuild their societies. The Marshall Plan is not the default model. Nation-building in Islamic lands does not make us safer, its costs in blood and treasure are prohibitive, and it does not work because they don’t want what we’re offering. Our security does not hinge on their freedom; it hinges on their knowing that we are not to be trifled with. If they square off against each other, the best thing for us to do is stay out of the way. I am not going to worry about freedom and security in Syria when freedom and security in America are being stripped away. That is a direct consequence of enmeshing ourselves ever deeper in the Muslim morass. We should stop.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apaulling; apaulogia; apaulogist; islam; israel; lebanon; marinebarracks; middleast; muslimbrotherhood; ntsa; paulbearers; syria
May I repeat??

Nation-building in Islamic lands does not make us safer, its costs in blood and treasure are prohibitive, and it does not work because they don’t want what we’re offering. Our security does not hinge on their freedom; it hinges on their knowing that we are not to be trifled with.

I am not going to worry about freedom and security in Syria when freedom and security in America are being stripped away.

1 posted on 03/11/2012 5:53:08 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Notary Sojac

Let Syria Be!

PELOSI/COMMIE approved!

2 posted on 03/11/2012 5:55:20 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ("Forget the lawyers, FIRST kill the journalists!"- Die Ritter, die "nee" sagen)
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To: Notary Sojac

” We will hold sacred the beliefs held sacred by others. “

...on the other hand, you are not allowed to freely practice the beliefs you hold sacred yourself.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 5:56:48 AM PDT by sawmill trash (TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!)
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To: Notary Sojac

We should have stayed away from Egypt, Libia and the rest - all this will come back to bite one way or another.

Mel


4 posted on 03/11/2012 6:13:15 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: sawmill trash

When are they going to hold sacred the beliefs of American Catholics.

These dolts led by a Muslim president seem to hold Islam more sacred than Christianity. More sacred than human l;ife.

The Obamacare gives an exemption to Muslims from it’s dubious benefits and yet they will garnt no exceptions to people who believe in the sanctity of human life , the Christians.

I never dreamed in my lifetime I would see my Government attack my Church.Attack my Constitution, Attack my God.

This is what Democrats want? This is what half of America is thinking about putting back into the Presidency?

I think of the words Jesus spoke on the Cross. My God , My God why hast thou forsaken us/ But I know the answer.
Because we have forsaken Him. Homosexuals, murdering his children,worshipping the false god Obama and the politicians who are apostate, and worshipping a political party over the Church they portend to belong to.

Sounds a bit melodramatic when it is written, but it is happening before our eyes.


5 posted on 03/11/2012 6:14:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DCBryan1

You miss the whole point of the article. Did you happen to read it??


6 posted on 03/11/2012 6:14:51 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (A liberal, a conservative, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi. Mitt!!".)
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To: DCBryan1
Tell this to the illegal immagrant, boy-king in the White House.

They're HIS friggin' people.

7 posted on 03/11/2012 6:16:10 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Notary Sojac

I’m sorry, but the creators of AlQaeda were the Saudis, our “allies”, not the Shia Iranis


8 posted on 03/11/2012 6:18:27 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Notary Sojac
I want to defeat our enemies and be done with them. I do not believe we owe it to them to rebuild their societies. The Marshall Plan is not the default model. Nation-building in Islamic lands does not make us safer, its costs in blood and treasure are prohibitive, and it does not work because they don’t want what we’re offering. Our security does not hinge on their freedom; it hinges on their knowing that we are not to be trifled with. If they square off against each other, the best thing for us to do is stay out of the way. I am not going to worry about freedom and security in Syria when freedom and security in America are being stripped away. That is a direct consequence of enmeshing ourselves ever deeper in the Muslim morass. We should stop.

The meat of the issue. I'll add the fact that it creates unnecessary social unrest at home.
9 posted on 03/11/2012 6:19:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Notary Sojac

McCarthy is spot on with every single word of his commentary.

Particularly “Our security does not hinge on their freedom; it hinges on their knowing that we are not to be trifled with.”

Who among us thinks that the Taliban will not be invited back in after we withdraw from Afghanistan.We accomplished out mission there in the first few months after we drove them out. They got the message that we were not to be trifled with and they should stick to what they know best, brutalizing each other and not prodding the overseas giant with a stick.

No nation building.No fiction of winning hearts and minds because they have neither.Bomb and leave. If they do not get the message then repeat and rinse. Eventually it sinks in.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 6:21:49 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Notary Sojac
Andrew McCarthy is one of the few American commentators who understands Islam.
11 posted on 03/11/2012 6:25:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DCBryan1

Syria may be a socialist dictator, but it’s a secular dictatorship. The one that would come would be a Jihadi govt


12 posted on 03/11/2012 6:34:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: sawmill trash
"We will hold sacred the beliefs held sacred by others."

That’s the concluding rally cry of the U.S. Department of Defense’s newly issued guidance on the “Proper Handling and Disposal of Islamic Religious Materials — Service Members/Civilian Training.”

That's Hitlery speaking, not Andy McCarthy. IMHO, Andy McCarthy is the best expert on the evils of Islam and in the devising the best strategy to combat it.

13 posted on 03/11/2012 6:40:03 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Cronos

True, and it is not our business. If ten percent of the people can decide who runs a country, time for that clown in the white to pack his bags.


14 posted on 03/11/2012 6:41:49 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Actually it’s more like 6% — the Alawis. But they are supplemented by Christians, Druze and Shias who support Assad. Better Assad then the jihadis.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 6:57:48 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Notary Sojac

Good article by McCarthy, but I think it’s high time someone did an honest assessment and started looking into what is likely to be a pretty disturbing angle to this nation’s foreign policy — namely, the role of foreign money in our electoral process and the influence that money has in U.S. foreign policy decisions that have absolutely no benefit for the citizens of this nation.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 7:18:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Cronos

Excellent point — see Post #16.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 7:20:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Notary Sojac
Disposal of Islamic Religious Materials

Sounds good so far.

18 posted on 03/11/2012 7:24:21 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: cripplecreek
If McCarthy is correct in his assessment, and so far virtually every FReeper on this thread agrees that he is and as I have been so posting for years, the inescapable conclusion is that while the Marshall plan is not the model neither are Iraq or Afghanistan the models.

Many of us have already come to the conclusion that Iraq was a gross mistake. At least we have learned that that model does not work. Pity it cost $1 trillion, 4000 lives, and 10,000 limbs to learn it.

I think McCarthy has expressed the model well. We strike, we foment uprising against the regime in question, we make it starkly obvious to Muslim leaders that they personally will die, and we reduce our profile as targets.

We must address the argument that we cannot conduct suppression of terrorism from the air with drones. We need human intelligence, national technical means, bribery, negotiation, deception, and ruthless determination to kill. When necessary we might need special forces temporarily on the ground. But we do not need nation building. We might need to cause mountains of collateral damage but we do not need to offer ourselves up as targets.

That is not to say that Iran can be permitted to acquire the bomb, it must be stopped at all costs. That does not imply that we have to occupy Iran.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 7:30:11 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
That does not imply that we have to occupy Iran.

Seems to me that occupations seem to be our fail point in the mideast. Obviously its necessary sometimes but it should not be about winning the hearts and minds.
20 posted on 03/11/2012 7:37:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Notary Sojac
Our security does not hinge on their freedom; it hinges on their knowing that we are not to be trifled with.

Exactly!!!

Unfortunately, current trends make it appear that we can be more than trifled with, we can be beaten. The whole world of radical islam is now emboldened, and on the march.

And no, I don't blame Obama. It was Bush II's to lose, and he lost it. If only Bush had understood your statement above.

21 posted on 03/11/2012 7:45:39 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Notary Sojac
Amen!!

Most of the middle east tribes, and tribes is what they are, require, and seem to prefer, the rule of dictators, secular, religious, or both.

22 posted on 03/11/2012 7:47:53 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Notary Sojac
But Obama has to help his Muslim brothers to set up the new Islamic Caliphate.

Preparing the way for the 12th Imam and the destruction of Israel (and America).

23 posted on 03/11/2012 7:50:07 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: melsec
It's tough when you see people who do want natural freedom being mowed down by their own governments. The problem is these people have taken on their tyrants ill prepared, light arms and little disciplined leadership. Then when the tyrants attack, they are dependent upon the UN and the world to save them. Not a good way to revolt.
24 posted on 03/11/2012 7:53:18 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: nathanbedford
Unfortunately there is no current candidate for President who is willing to admit that nation building has been (and ever will be) a failure, except Paul who takes it about an order of magnitude too far.

Newt's recent statements are a baby step in the right direction.

25 posted on 03/11/2012 8:05:30 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (A liberal, a conservative, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hi. Mitt!!".)
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To: Venturer
When are they going to hold sacred the beliefs of American Catholics.

To quote a John Prine song (I know he's a lefty, but even leftiy songwritters sometimes hit on a relevant phrase), "A question's not really a question if you know the answer too".

26 posted on 03/11/2012 8:09:40 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: nathanbedford

“Tonight I can report that Vietnamization has succeeded.” President Richard Nixon April 7, 1971


27 posted on 03/11/2012 8:16:57 AM PDT by donozark (We're ALL Greeks now...)
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To: Notary Sojac

When Muslims are killing Muslims it would be culturally insensitive to interfere.


28 posted on 03/11/2012 8:26:00 AM PDT by Blado (Obama's brain is a coprolite from the Late Soviet Era)
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To: airborne

But, but, but, Obama is a Christian.

Just ask Steffie Stephanopoulos and the Men’s Room Media.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 8:55:22 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: fabian

THe trouble was fabian that the freedom lovers in these groups were ill-prepared for actually winning and ruling and so groups having little to do with freedom and more to do with Islamization are likely to be in power when all is said and done.

Very sad for those who were filled with so much hope.

Cheers

MEl


30 posted on 03/11/2012 9:53:21 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: melsec

Yes , true. And at the root of those ursurpers of freedom is the cult of Islam., ie, satanism pretending to be a Godly religion.


31 posted on 03/11/2012 10:03:56 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

The people who want freedom and then mowed down by the opposition that is more hardcode.....not everyone in Russia who wanted the Czar out in 1917 was a Bolshevik, but the Bolsheviks were the most ruthless of all of the groups that did oppose the Czar.


32 posted on 03/11/2012 10:08:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

The Keyboard is betraying me this morning, that first sentence should be:

“The people who want freedom are then mowed down by the opposition that is more hardcore”


33 posted on 03/11/2012 10:10:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: fabian

SO True!


34 posted on 03/11/2012 10:42:25 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: DCBryan1
Looks like Pelosi is the one with the man-hands in the picture.
35 posted on 03/11/2012 4:37:16 PM PDT by hummingbird (SPARTACUS --->BREITBART --->FREEPERS - ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!)
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To: donozark

Vietnamization did succeed. By the end of 1971, the Viet Cong was contained if not moribund. Had we armed South Vietnam with weapons and honored our security guarantee, in 1974-75 the north would never have invaded or they would have been repulsed. Sadly, the two greatest victories for the communists were the false reporting of the Tet Offensive and the Watergate Scandal. The first pushed the Democrats to the left and the second gave the leftists power.


36 posted on 03/11/2012 7:28:18 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
ARVN's had plenty of weapons, they just failed to employ them properly. Example-they walked away from over 100 airplanes at Da Nang. Poor/corrupt/incompetent leadership. Their army never recovered from the staggering losses of their best forces during Op Lam Son 719. Pres. Thieu pulled back from Central Highlands position. Big mistake. He then pulled his best forces (Marines/Airborne)out of MR 1. Another major mistake. He failed to issue orders to his commanders at Da Nang, and as a result, the commander said,"Every man for himself!" The country folded up like a $7 suitcase.

But yes, America stood by and watched, hamstrung by Democrat freezing of funds for the war. No air cover (U.S.A.). Results predictable...

37 posted on 03/12/2012 4:53:55 AM PDT by donozark (We're ALL Greeks now...)
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38 posted on 03/12/2012 5:33:15 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Notary Sojac

What’s wrong with islamists killing islamists?


39 posted on 03/12/2012 5:42:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Notary Sojac

9/11 was committed by Sunnis. Al Queda is a Sunni organization. If Syria devolves into Shiite/Sunni civil war, I’ll be cheering the Shiite side — while munching popcorn.


40 posted on 03/12/2012 5:56:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
I've argued that we've had our fill of a region teeming with hatred of the United States and the West, that we have no vital interest in the outcome of internecine savagery between an anti-American Muslim dictator and anti-American Muslim supremacists, and that if they insist on slaughtering each other, we should just buy some popcorn (which is all our tapped-out nation can afford, anyway) and watch the show, accepting the grim silver lining that as they weaken themselves they become less threatening to us...
That's all fine and good, unless one side is much weaker than the other. Both sides need to be kept supplied to maximize destruction. So far, the vast majority of casualties and deaths has been among those involved in the uprising -- the so-called security forces' losses have been by the security forces of people trying to defect from their own ranks. Luckily, the Sunni states are taking care of that.


41 posted on 03/12/2012 8:47:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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