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HUSSMAN: These 5 Conditions Mean The Market Is Going To Plunge ("Within Days")
TBI ^ | 3-11-2012 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:04 PM PDT by blam

HUSSMAN: These 5 Conditions Mean The Market Is Going To Plunge

Joe Weisenthal
March 11, 2013

There's a big story in Barron's this weekend titled The Worst of Times to Buy Stocks?, which highlights the gloomy warnings of well-known investor John Hussman and technical guy Walter J. Zimmermann Jr.

Hussman's bearishness is well known, but the article by Randall W. Forsyth boils down Hussman's bearishness to four criteria:

• the Standard & Poor's 500 trading at more than 8% above its 52-week exponential moving average

• the S&P 500 up more than 50% from its four-year low

• the "Shiller P/E," based on the cyclically adjusted trailing 10-year earnings, developed by Yale economist Robert Shiller, greater than 18; it's currently 22

• the 10-year Treasury yield higher than six months earlier

• the Investors Intelligence's bullish advisory sentiment over 47%, and bearishness under 25%; in the latest data, the numbers were 47.9% bulls and 26.6% bears

Apparently all those conditions are nearly in place now, as they were in 1987, 2000, and 2007.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman agrees with all that, plus he cites the inevitability of a market decline owing to rising taxes, austerity, too much bullishness, and gas prices. He sees a "perfect storm" manifesting itself within days.

Read the full story here >

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; markets; recession; stocks

1 posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Blam, could you hold off the plunge till Tuesday. I have some stocks I need to sell.


2 posted on 03/11/2012 1:44:27 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
3 posted on 03/11/2012 1:50:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Cold Heart

LOL!


4 posted on 03/11/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: blam
Apparently all those conditions are nearly in place now, as they were in 1987, 2000, and 2007.

Not sure I buy that. 1987, 2000 and 2007 came after prolonged market boom. He's arguing that rapid rise in the market is itself an indicator of an impending crash -- that's only the case if the economy doesn't recover as the market is anticipating.

5 posted on 03/11/2012 2:36:47 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: blam

Should this be considered more credible than the “Hindenburg Omen” from a year or so ago?


6 posted on 03/11/2012 2:39:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

In the words of every stock market analyst I’ve ever heard: this could happen, then again, it might not.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 2:44:13 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kartographer

One of my favorite characters in the movie “Airplane”.


8 posted on 03/11/2012 3:16:41 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: CORedneck

"Stock Market to Plunge"....."Millions To Lose Their Jobs......"There's a Sale at Penny's"

9 posted on 03/11/2012 3:18:49 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: DuncanWaring
"Should this be considered more credible than the “Hindenburg Omen” from a year or so ago? "

That's right.

What-ever happened with that?

10 posted on 03/11/2012 3:29:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: Cold Heart
"Blam, could you hold off the plunge till Tuesday. I have some stocks I need to sell. "

Well...

Since I had that little 'flash' incident, they don't let me behind the curtain anymore.

11 posted on 03/11/2012 3:31:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: Alter Kaker
Won't some of the ‘scared stiff’ money from Europe etc. keep us artificially up until after the election?
12 posted on 03/11/2012 3:33:52 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Alter Kaker
Won't some of the ‘scared stiff’ money from Europe etc. keep us artificially up until after the election? Or at least until April?
13 posted on 03/11/2012 3:34:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: blam

Up in flames?


14 posted on 03/11/2012 3:48:36 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: All

The present spending continues! And I don’t see how we can avoid a collapse like that of Argentina ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index )but on a global scale.

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15 posted on 03/11/2012 4:03:18 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam
March 11, 2013

Well, we won't have to worry for another year then...

16 posted on 03/11/2012 4:05:51 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: blam

No one this side of God knows whether the stock market is going up or down. Some of the reasons posted for a crash appear to be pure BS. One example is the 10 year bond being at a higher interest rate than it was 6 months ago. That bond has been fluctuating slightly below and above a 2% yield for many months now, and that rate is absurdly low and will remain so as long as the Fed wants to have easy money.

As for comparing the current market to 4 years ago, we were heading full force into a major recession and hitting bottom. As for the S&P, the Price Earnings ratio is still a good bit below the historical average.

So, I do not buy into this nonsense. Now, if Israel attacks Iran, or if Obama sends US troops into Syria, then the market will drop big time. This market is more subject to the influence of extraneous forces. All that being said, the market could go up or it could go down a little or a lot, or it could go sideways. As Tonto used to say to the Lone Ranger, “Quien sabe?”


17 posted on 03/11/2012 4:11:14 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: blam
Under ordinary circumstances, I would agree: both technical indicators and market fundamentals (insert laugh track here) presage a significant downturn in the markets. But neither matter now. All that matters is the Fed and its $5 trillion liquidity injection, as happily ingested by the HFT machines and their programmed bid algorithms. And so, equities will likely continue to rise on shrinking volume and Hopium.

But - yes- the ride will come to an end when Thelma and Louise (Ben and Timmy) hit the gas one last time, and join hands over the cliff. When? I don't know. Late summer, perhaps. In any event, the "market" is no longer a market - it's a casino, and a bankrupt casino at that.

18 posted on 03/11/2012 4:26:05 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: blam
These technical analysis always crack me up. I read them but don't put much credence in them. It's like reading team leaves.

You can learn all you need to know about where the stock market is eventually headed, long term, by watching the largest asset class the world: US Residential Real Estate.

19 posted on 03/11/2012 4:29:09 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kartographer
Don't worry, O is on it...


20 posted on 03/11/2012 4:31:47 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: blam

The 4 criteria are apparently 5. If the auther could count, maybe I’d pay attention.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 4:32:22 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: samtheman
In the words of every stock market analyst I’ve ever heard: this could happen, then again, it might not.

I read Hussman's weekly commentary. He doesn't say that it is going to happen, but conditions are such that his alarm bells are going off. I wouldn't exactly call him a perma-bear. At current stock market levels, he thinks the stock market will return somewhere around 4.5% per year over the next 10 years in a non linear fashion..

22 posted on 03/11/2012 4:54:50 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: AlmaKing

Too funny!


23 posted on 03/11/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!)
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To: EVO X
I read Hussman's weekly commentary. He doesn't say that it is going to happen, but conditions are such that his alarm bells are going off. I wouldn't exactly call him a perma-bear. At current stock market levels, he thinks the stock market will return somewhere around 4.5% per year over the next 10 years in a non linear fashion..

Unfortunately, it's the non-linear bit that'll kill ya.
24 posted on 03/11/2012 5:01:29 PM PDT by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: CdMGuy

“As Tonto used to say to the Lone Ranger, “Quien sabe?””

Only when south of the border there, hombre!


25 posted on 03/11/2012 5:19:30 PM PDT by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: Oceander
Unfortunately, it's the non-linear bit that'll kill ya

We can always go out and buy an anuity that promises to pay 22% the first year or 8% forever.../s

26 posted on 03/11/2012 5:38:26 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: EVO X
Global liquidity peak spells trouble for late 2012
27 posted on 03/11/2012 5:39:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Global liquidity peak spells trouble for late 2012

We could be in trouble now but won't know it until late 2012 or early 2013. All this continued CB pumping and changing the rules of the game makes me terribly uneasy.

28 posted on 03/11/2012 6:04:32 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: CdMGuy
I thought Tonto was referring to his boss as chemo sauvé.
29 posted on 03/11/2012 7:03:59 PM PDT by Misterioso ( If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject. - Rand)
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To: Misterioso

Ohio silver.


30 posted on 03/11/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by Misterioso ( Сергей Васильев)
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To: Misterioso


31 posted on 03/11/2012 9:01:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Looks like the old Corrigan movie ranch in Simi Valley. I used to crawl around in those rocks as a kid.


32 posted on 03/12/2012 3:34:25 AM PDT by Misterioso ( If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject. - Rand)
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To: EVO X

“All this continued CB pumping and changing the rules ....

Extortion by Forced Labor 2014, age 26.

Arbeitsziehungslager: Forced Labor Camp, U.S. Territory.


33 posted on 03/12/2012 4:05:18 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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