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Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’
White House correspondent ^ | 11 March 2012 | Oliver Know

Posted on 03/11/2012 2:57:35 PM PDT by rfreedom4u

President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking" and assured Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone that the United States will "hold fully accountable anyone responsible" as the bloody incident plunged already deteriorating ties into a fresh crisis. Obama called Karzai, who denounced the reported shooting rampage as an unforgivable "assassination," to make clear "his Administration's commitment to establish the facts as quickly as possible and to hold fully accountable anyone responsible," the White House said in a statement. Obama expressed "his shock and sadness" to Karzai at the incident, which news reports said left mostly women and children among the dead, and "reaffirmed our deep respect for the Afghan people and the bonds between our two countries," the White House said. Ahead of the call, Obama received a briefing on the incident from top aides including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough, and Special Assistant to the President for Afghanistan and Pakistan Doug Lute, according to National Security Council deputy spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; corruption; islam; karzai; muslim; muslims; obama; rop
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This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan. I fully support Secretary Panetta's and General Allen's commitment to get the facts as quickly as possible and to hold accountable anyone responsible," Obama said.

The shooting rampage immediately reignited a debate over whether to hasten the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, where American-led forces are scheduled to hand over security to their hosts by the end of 2014. A new ABC News/Washington Post poll found US public sentiment against the war at near-record highs.

"I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," said the president.

The tragedy came just days after Obama and Karzai spoke by video conference and agreed that tensions had "calmed" since the burning of Muslim holy books on a US base.

That incident had sparked violent protests in Afghanistan and the killing of six US service members at the hands of their Afghan counterparts. It also led Obama to apologize for the desecration of the Qurans in an attempt to quiet clashes that he said endangered US military and civilian personnel. Republican presidential candidates, notably Newt Gingrich, condemned the apology.

Panetta said in a statement that he had spoken to Karzai to offer "my deepest condolences" and that "a full investigation is already underway."

"I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice. We will spare no effort in getting the facts as quickly as possible, and we will hold any perpetrator who is responsible for this violence fully accountable under the law," said the defense secretary.

1 posted on 03/11/2012 2:57:41 PM PDT by rfreedom4u
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To: rfreedom4u

Ft. Hood wasn’t shocking though...because he was yelling allah akbar.


2 posted on 03/11/2012 2:59:55 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rfreedom4u

He didn’t say squat about our 6 US Military murdered after the koran (I wipe a dead pig’s a** with it) burning, did he? FUBO!


3 posted on 03/11/2012 3:00:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs, anyday!)
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To: rfreedom4u

“tragic and shocking”

And what does he say about the Afghan soldier’s killing of Americans?

“I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives,

And did Karzai offer the same to the families of Americans killed by his soldiers?

“I gave President Karzai my assurances that we will bring those responsible to justice.

And when will the Afghan murderers of Americans be brought to justice?


4 posted on 03/11/2012 3:01:30 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: Sacajaweau

My guess is that this guy probably snapped in large part due to the restrictive (self-defeating) ROEs that got his buddies killed.


5 posted on 03/11/2012 3:01:46 PM PDT by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: rfreedom4u

It is unfortunate but it happens.

My grandfather told me about a guard at a POW camp in Germany who opened fire on German prisoners from a guard tower with a machine gun.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 3:04:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rbg81

Touchy feely war is only hard on us.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 3:05:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rfreedom4u

Karzai said it was an unforgivable act. What does the Afghanistan constitution say about terrorism and jihad against their own citizens. Just wondering.


8 posted on 03/11/2012 3:06:18 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Sacajaweau
Ft. Hood wasn’t shocking though...because he was yelling allah akbar.

Good point....and further ask me anymore if I care who our guys take out in that God forsaken country. That's one less who can harm our troops directly and indirectly, for if those people aren't supporting our troops as they re-build and take out their enemies then we just plain need to bring our men home and let them devour each other....I truly don't care about them for they have made their decisions to remain in the cesspool of death and destruction they desire.

Further, Karsi got all he wanted...he is no longer a friend to the USA...and anyone who thinks otherwise is deceived greatly. He has his "throne" we've protected and built his army around him...now let him defend it against the hoards who will come against him once we're out of the dunghill!

9 posted on 03/11/2012 3:07:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: Sacajaweau

I guess I’ll have to search for the transcript of what he said after Ft Hood. Just for historical comparison, of course.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 3:07:49 PM PDT by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: rfreedom4u

In all likelihood, the SSGT in question had severe PTSD, and though he had repeatedly complained of it to his chain of command, it was either ignored, or he was accused of malingering.

I suspect that he had either an Article 15 or even a court martial pending. But this will only be known if his command doesn’t immediately destroy this evidence.

However, it he also complained to an honest chaplain or medical officer, it is a wholly different situation. There will be a huge investigation and a lot of people will face punishment.

As far as the SSGT goes, once properly evaluated by a psychiatrist, he will be shipped home and have to undergo intensive therapy and rehabilitation. Any military criminal punishment, oddly enough, will be mild, as what he did does not seriously interfere with morale and discipline.

There is an additional provision however. Not too long ago, congress passed a horrible law that made military personnel subject to civilian prosecution for acts they may have carried out overseas, after they have left the military. So if he is not prosecuted by the military, he may face an ambitious, anti-military prosecutor.


11 posted on 03/11/2012 3:11:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rbg81

I am wondering if this Staff Sgt was in command of some of the soldiers who are being “investigated” for the Koran burnings. It does not justify what has been reported but it might explain why he “snapped” if that is really what happened.

So many questions at this point and sadly, I don’t trust the media or the military brass to give us the real answers!


12 posted on 03/11/2012 3:11:13 PM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: hattend
Re: Ft Hood...IIRC....His first response was "Let's not come to any conclusions"...

And of course, remember Obama's "The sweetest sound" and the "I will side with the Muslims"

13 posted on 03/11/2012 3:17:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rfreedom4u
“Obama: US soldier’s reported shooting rampage in Afghanistan ‘tragic and shocking’”

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EyeGuy: The election, by a free people, blessed with the greatest system of limited government ever created, of a talentless, fringe radical, traitorous RaceMarxist, as Commander in Chief ‘tragic and shocking’.

14 posted on 03/11/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: carriage_hill

You know, sooner or later the American people will come to realize that POTUS Obama is an anti-American. Did he say or send any condolences to the four innocent American military folks, ambushed and shot by Taliban Muslims in Afghanistan? I doubt it!!! Our precious men & women under arms are in harms way with no way to win as long as Obama, our leader sides with our enemies. Yes, under Obama, America is always wrong!!!

We should bring our troops home immediately!!! My heart aches for the lost human American treasure caused by Barack Hussein Obama and his Democrat Party ilk!!! He, in his ardent support of our enemies, has cost us, the USA, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, the Sudan, Somalia, etc. All have been lost under Obama!!! And....he has put and placed our military in a permanent, no-win situation. The sacrifice or wounding of any more American military personnel caused by the design of Obama & Panetta is disgraceful and treasonous!!! God look over & protect our sons & daughters of the USA millitary, for Obama is not and, he could care less. He is more interested in siding and supporting our enemies, traitor that he is!!! Wake up, America!!! In 2012, ABO, Anybody But Obama!!!


15 posted on 03/11/2012 3:21:24 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy POTUS Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Obummer = the enemy, and he’s in The White Crib, not just at or inside the gates, anymore. He came from nowhere with 52%, which tells me that there are a LOT of enemies inside the gates.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 3:26:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs, anyday!)
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To: rfreedom4u

Are there any reliable sources for that background facts of this incident? The usual disgusting apologies from the chimpanzee are not constructive. Considering the number of Americans who have been murdered by cowardly Tali scum masquerading as ‘friends’, sixteen wasted is barely good for starters. It goes without saying that by publicly announcing his intention to cut and run from Afghanistan, the chimpanzee has emboldened his co-religionist friends [Tali vermin] and thereby placed our Marines and soldiers yet remaining in country in a completely untenable and extremely dangerous position. But this is completely consistent with his consuming hatred for us, our country and our courageous warriors.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 3:26:38 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: Bedford Forrest

I like WHAT you said, and the WAY you said it. Very good, BF!


18 posted on 03/11/2012 3:28:33 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs, anyday!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

“You know, sooner or later the American people will come to realize that POTUS Obama is an anti-American.”

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Too many Americans, WAY too many, are much more concerned with voting themselves goodies stolen from their fellow citizens, either totally free, or in the form of ridiculously over-compensated government jobs, to give a crap about what is best for the country.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 3:37:59 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy
Too many Americans, WAY too many, are much more concerned with voting themselves goodies stolen from their fellow citizens, either totally free, or in the form of ridiculously over-compensated government jobs, to give a crap about what is best for the country.

Bump!

20 posted on 03/11/2012 3:39:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rfreedom4u

NA na na, this is not tragic nor shocking for OBama. THere is no act of tyranny he has not liked.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 3:41:06 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: rfreedom4u
President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier as "tragic and shocking"

Somebody, please remind me what he said about Nidal Malik Hasan (the moslem who murdered unarmed people at Ft Hood).

22 posted on 03/11/2012 3:44:03 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: rfreedom4u
"President Barack Obama on Sunday condemned the alleged slaughter of 16 Afghan civilians by an American soldier..."

Has he ever condemned the slaughter of American troops/American civilians by an Afghan or Iraqi soldier? Don't think so.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 3:48:22 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: rfreedom4u

I’ll agree with Newt’s statement this morning. “We are better than this.” no moral equivalency, our soldiers should be judged by our standards not the Taliban’s. Let all the facts come out first. If the situation was as reported, a military court can deal with this guy. Same as the Ft. Hood killer. PTSD mat well be a mitigating factor and it is incontrovertible that the current ROE have put massive stress on soldiers, killing many.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 3:54:05 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: rfreedom4u

FUBO


25 posted on 03/11/2012 3:58:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rfreedom4u

OBama policy is responsible for this. Obama should be held accountable for killing innocent civilians. Obama is a war criminal!


26 posted on 03/11/2012 4:11:57 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: rfreedom4u
"hold fully accountable anyone responsible" I guess that poor grunt will be Taliban fodder.
27 posted on 03/11/2012 4:14:31 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: carriage_hill

I think he should arrest this soldier,put him in a country club like Gitmo for a few years and then turn him loose like he is turning loose Muslim terrorists.


28 posted on 03/11/2012 4:20:48 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Grizzled Bear

Here are some pieces and parts from Obama’s Ft Hood speech (after spending 3 minutes after getting to the podium to give “shout outs” to people in the crowd):

OBAMA: We are going to complete this investigation and we are going to take whatever steps are necessary to make sure that something like this doesn’t happen again. Beyond that, I think it’s important for me to let the investigation play itself out so that we know exactly what happened, when it happened, how it happened, before — before I as president of the United States comment on it

OBAMA: In a country of 300 million people, uh, there are going to be acts of violence that are inexplicable, even within the extraordinary m-military that we have. Uh, and, uh, I think everybody understands how outstanding the young men and women in uniform are under the most severe stress. There are going to instances, uh, in which, uh, an individual cracks.

Also comments here: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html


29 posted on 03/11/2012 4:25:20 PM PDT by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: rfreedom4u
Compare and contrast the Ft. Hood shooting:

Barack Obama Gives "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Shooting -- FOX News (here's the video)

Obama: 'Dont' Jump to Conclusions' on Fort Hood Shooting

Obama: "We cannot fully know" motive of Ft. Hood shooter; in address on killings, president....

Barack Obama calls for calm as Muslim community fears backlash over Fort Hood killings

30 posted on 03/11/2012 4:28:18 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: rfreedom4u

Didn’t Obama jump to conclusions by implying the guilt of this soldier before trial and prosecution?


31 posted on 03/11/2012 4:32:10 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Once again, Obama proves he is not an honest broker. He can't be trusted.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I tend to agree that the alleged perpetrator will be treated lightly in a U.S. military court -- if at all.

Ironically, I had come across a link a few days ago to a story about Sam Ybarra and the disturbing actions of Task Force Oregon (a.k.a. "Tiger Force") in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1967. Ybarra, who by all accounts had pretty much gone off the deep end, was never prosecuted by the U.S. military ... and most of the details of the story came out years later as a result of some research and investigation by a newspaper reporter.

32 posted on 03/11/2012 4:41:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So if he is not prosecuted by the military, he may face an ambitious, anti-military prosecutor.

And certainly there's no shortage of them around.

33 posted on 03/11/2012 4:43:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rfreedom4u
This incident is its own tragedy. Trying to tie this into Koran-burning or Fort Bliss's murder is wrong. It is not a legal act of retaliation. It is murder.
34 posted on 03/11/2012 4:44:01 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955

Why don’t you wait until we actually have a name and a face to go along with this. I don’t trust the media any more than I can throw them.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 4:46:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: hattend
...(after spending 3 minutes after getting to the podium to give “shout outs” to people in the crowd)

Yep. I was just about to post the same. Obama was in a good mood it seemed when he came into the room and pointed to and gave a chuckling "shout out" to his Native American bud for something his tribe had done for Obama. I even recall Obama smiling and joking. And I believe the "shout out" was for some sleazy deal he'd just done "under the radar" with the tribe.

Absolutely sickening.

36 posted on 03/11/2012 4:49:25 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways always.)
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To: dfwgator

I think there is a name and face attached to this, including a rank; the name hasn’t been released publicly yet.


37 posted on 03/11/2012 4:50:29 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Venturer

I’d give him a medal, and turn him loose on the murderous muzzies at GITMO!


38 posted on 03/11/2012 4:52:01 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs, anyday!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Just “crickets”, wasn’t it?


39 posted on 03/11/2012 4:55:49 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry Obummer and another 4yrs, anyday!)
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To: Alberta's Child
OMIGOD! Not the infamous "Tiger Force" again. Which begs the question.

Are you an old hippie?
No offense,I was just wondering.

But more importantly an Article 32 investigation involves violations of the UCMJ and ROE (Rules of Engagement).

What do you propose? Putting them in front of "Judge Judy".

40 posted on 03/11/2012 5:23:42 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: rfreedom4u

It’s Obama’s fault.


41 posted on 03/11/2012 5:29:04 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Bedford Forrest

Maybe Obama can get Karzai and the SStg. to sit down
for a “ Beer summit”. Kinda work things out.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 5:34:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

SSgt. Sorry.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 5:35:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TexasSecede79366
I predict this story is going to disappear quietly and we won't hear much about what happens to the alleged perpetrator.

For one thing, this is now "Obama's War," and the media doesn't stand to gain much unless it was pre-2009 and they could drape this incident around Bush's neck. Secondly, we are likely to learn some facts about the alleged perpetrator that will be a colossal embarrassment to the U.S. military and the Obama administration ... i.e., perhaps he had such obvious medical/psychiatric issues that any objective person would question why the hell he was in Afghanistan in the first place.

P.S. The Tiger Force incidents occurred before I was born ... so no, I'm not an old hippie. No offense taken!

44 posted on 03/11/2012 5:46:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
The story has already happened and Obama has weakened our position even further. Whether the incident even took place or not is irrelevant.

That's what happens when you put a "community organizer" in the seat of the Leader of the Free World and the elitist defend him.

He doesn't look like Alfred E. Neuman for no reason.

45 posted on 03/11/2012 6:13:12 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (Soap box,jury box,ballot box,bullet box. Where are we now?)
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To: TexasSecede79366
I'm not talking about the story itself ... I'm talking about the media coverage of the story. If the media wants to cover for Obama, they won't cover the story very extensively in the coming weeks once this initial uproar fades away.

How often do you hear about that Fort Hood terrorist these days, eh?

46 posted on 03/11/2012 6:32:52 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: rbg81
My guess is that this guy probably snapped in large part due to the restrictive (self-defeating) ROEs that got his buddies killed.

Or, his name could be Sgt. Farouk Mahmoud, and this could have been set up by The Taliban in order to get us out of there even sooner. I've got no evidence. But it's not like we don't have these guys in our military.

47 posted on 03/11/2012 6:55:05 PM PDT by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: caww
They will kill Karsi when we leave or he'll end up running around hiding in holes.
Our ROE is bullcrap! We have no control and our American Soldiers are paying the price.
48 posted on 03/11/2012 7:01:22 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: outofstyle

I’m sure there will be a lot of outrage about this...real and staged. Of course, you don’t hear a peep out of the Afghan people when the Taliban commit atrocities that probably make this look like a drop in the bucket.


49 posted on 03/11/2012 7:04:41 PM PDT by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: outofstyle

I was wondering the same thing. There is much about this event still to be explained.


50 posted on 03/11/2012 9:31:35 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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