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Georgia House debates ending ban on silencers in hunting
wrcbtv.com ^ | March, 2012 | AP

Posted on 03/11/2012 6:59:13 PM PDT by marktwain

ATLANTA (AP) - Georgia House lawmakers will debate whether to legalize hunting with silenced firearms in Georgia.

The House Game, Fish and Parks Committee is scheduled to debate a Senate bill Tuesday that would allow hunters to shoot with silencers, which suppress the noise coming from a gun when it's fired.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; ga; hunt; silencer
The government suppression of the use of silencer has resulted in damaging the hearing of millions of people. Allowing the use of suppressors for hunting is common sense, and no more dangerous than bow hunting.
1 posted on 03/11/2012 6:59:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

use of silencer should be use of silencers


2 posted on 03/11/2012 7:00:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

So can you silence a 30-06?


3 posted on 03/11/2012 7:04:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

This new to me. What would a silencer for a 30/06 look like? Does it affect the accuracy of a long shot?


4 posted on 03/11/2012 7:04:46 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

This IS new to me


5 posted on 03/11/2012 7:05:44 PM PDT by Figment
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To: driftdiver
Nope, but you can supress the heck out of it, so it doesn't slap your face, and ruin your hearing.

When I was married, I didn't mind being hearing impaired.

And yes, I still would have bought the AR-50. My hearing was trashed anyway.

/johnny

6 posted on 03/11/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain
The government suppression of the use of silencer has resulted in damaging the hearing of millions of people. Allowing the use of suppressors for hunting is common sense, and no more dangerous than bow hunting.

I think I know what you are trying to say here.....but the fact that the citizens of this country, can't figure out hearing loss can happen when shooting guns over and over...doesn't make the "government" at fault.

And to top it off....most/all suppressor's won't silence super-sonic ammunition...only sub-sonic.

7 posted on 03/11/2012 7:10:13 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: driftdiver
So can you silence a 30-06?

No but you can suppress a 30-06.

You can not truly silence a super sonic round because the bullet breaks the sound barrier. You can however greatly suppress the sound of the report (the explosive sound of the powder charge burning).

8 posted on 03/11/2012 7:10:13 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Figment

A silencer, which is properly called a suppressor, would look like a cylindrical lawn mower muffler.

And it would reduce a great deal of the muzzle blast perceived by the shooter there would still be a very loud “crack” caused by the sonic boom of the bullet moving a super sonic speed.


9 posted on 03/11/2012 7:11:03 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: driftdiver
And what problem do people have about getting government out of rifle accesories?

Personally, I'm for freedom to modify sound waves out of rifle barrels.

/johnny

10 posted on 03/11/2012 7:12:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lurker

The only “silencers” I use are called earplugs.


11 posted on 03/11/2012 7:14:17 PM PDT by Misterioso ( If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject. - Rand)
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To: Pontiac
None of them are "silent". Period.

It's a waste of money to try and use a suppressor on a super-sonic round.......

I have a CZ-52 in 7.26 x 25mm...and it's a super-sonic round. Loud as heck!!!

Not to mention the cost for any suppressor is a joke................unless it's homemade. : )

12 posted on 03/11/2012 7:15:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange
Have you ever fired a suppressed rifle?

And if it's a complete waste? Why does the Fed Gov buy supressors for their .308s?

Because it DOES make it quieter. In fact, quiet enough to keep from causing lasting damage.

The crack from a round going Mach+ is much less damaging than the powder going off.

/johnny

13 posted on 03/11/2012 7:19:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lurker
I've shot a sub-sonic round thru a suppressor...and it's like a "splat" or "spit" depending on how you hear it I guess.....

But they don't quiet down a super-sonic round much at all.....

FWIW-

14 posted on 03/11/2012 7:19:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange
I have a CZ-52 in 7.26 x 25mm...and it's a super-sonic round.

Just looked it up in the book. All my .22 LR Winchester ammo is super-sonic.

Supersonic is 1100 fps, at sea level, standard atmosphere.

/johnny

15 posted on 03/11/2012 7:21:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Probably sub-sonic rounds....J.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 7:22:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange
But they don't quiet down a super-sonic round much at all.....

I have to disagree.

/johnny

17 posted on 03/11/2012 7:23:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Osage Orange
Nyet, tovarich.

/johnny

18 posted on 03/11/2012 7:24:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Osage Orange

I have a CZ-52 in 7.26 x 25mm...

I’ve shot one of those, you could be killed by
the flying brass.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 7:27:10 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Lurker

That part I know. I was thinking of maybe a pic of one already available


20 posted on 03/11/2012 7:28:05 PM PDT by Figment
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To: marktwain

Just for fun here is a vid of a guy with a m1895 Nagant revolver with a 9mm silencer on it. works pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0


21 posted on 03/11/2012 7:35:31 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: JRandomFreeper
Well....I'm no expert.

I know this much....I've shot many 1,000 of rounds of .22 short and long...and 1,000's of rounds thru that CZ pistol....and that 7.26 x 25 is one loud ass round. Way louder than any .22 round I've shot.

I have just been....advised that it's a waste of money to buy a suppressor...if you are using super-sonic ammo. What do I know? I guess I should have been specific....

I've .308, .270, .243 rifles....I couldn't tell you what is the loudest though. Just bot the Winchester model 88, in .308...and love it. Less kick than the .270...I think, and shoots just as straight.

22 posted on 03/11/2012 7:39:15 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
LOL!!....

Maybe you said, "no, dumbass"...I don't no.

I guess I need some learning....Ha!!

23 posted on 03/11/2012 7:43:55 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange
How do you feel about government dictating what we can and can't put on our rifles, useless or not?

That's my big issue.

I dislike the rail fetish that is currently going on, but I don't want it outlawed.

That's what this thread is about. Government control of a God-given right that was important enough to enumerate in the Constitution.

/johnny

24 posted on 03/11/2012 7:46:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tet68

Yeah...that pistol kicks them out a ways.


25 posted on 03/11/2012 7:46:14 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange; All
Here is a post from an owner of suppressors and an audio engineer. It has some interesting information on the level of dB from sonic crack alone:

“I am a lega NFA Suppressor owner.

I own both rifle and pistol suppressors.

I am also an audio engineer.

People having a polite conversation is about 70-79db. Any change in 3db will eiether double the amount of sound, or decrease it by half. At 86Db OSHA says you need hearing protection.

Most gun blasts are around 120db - they just sound louder because it isn’t an instant noise - it’s actually a long duration noise.

When a bullet travels less than 1100 fps it makes no noise. Above 1100fps it creates a vacuum behind it - the sound of the air slapping against itself when the vacuum colapses creats a loud crack! This crack travels behind the bullet until it transcends below 1100 fps. In a 22lr rifle or pistol using high velocity ammo this crack is around 90db, but from a high power rifle it reaches 140db or better.

When you slap a 33db 223 suppressor on an AR-15 firing factory ammo - the rifle’s report is totally removed but the ballistic crack travels down range. It’s a pretty loud crack. If the bullet traveled over your head at 600 yards - like what happens when you are in the pits scoring targets - you would need hearing protection. If you change the ammo to the 100gr Extreme Shock subsonic ammo - the only noise is the faint ‘ting’ as the brass is ejected.

On a 223 - 33db suppressor totally kills the sound. The less expensive suppressors are usually around 28db and do a great job - you can certainly shoot without hearing protection and carry on a conversation with the guy shooting - but you know he is shooting. Swap that 28db suppressor for a top model 33db and you would not know the guy is shooting - only the sound of the brass ejecting and bullet hitting the target down range would give it away.

Neat thing about suppressors - you can take 223 model (weights 28 ounces) and use it on 22 Hornet, 22-250, 17HMT, 22LR and some can do 243 Win. You can use a 223 on allot of different calibers.

A typical 22lr only weights 8 ounces.

If you buy a 30cal suppressor for a 308 or 300 win mag (38 ounces +) you can use that one suppressor on all calibers lower form 223 to all the other 30 cal rifles.

I wish the 1934 Gun Control Act did not include suppressors - thank you Hollywood! I would have been able to afford one sooner and saved my hearing.

If you have any questions - email me - ask the guy who owns one.”

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100414141716AAHTfZD

26 posted on 03/11/2012 7:47:46 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm with you, on every point you mention

Can you tell me if my ears deceive me....when shooting a .22 versus a 7.26 x 25mm?

There's a big, giant difference....in my subjective / objective brain.

FWIW-

27 posted on 03/11/2012 7:50:36 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: marktwain

Thx


28 posted on 03/11/2012 7:55:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: marktwain

AAC and other companies sponsor “silencer only” shooting events. Pretty impressive to have a hundred guns on the line firing away for hours, and you don’t need earplugs. Oh, it’s noisy to be sure, but more rock concert noise than “OMG where’s my earplugs?!?!?”


29 posted on 03/11/2012 7:57:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The crack from a round going Mach+ is much less damaging than the powder going off.

Reading back......What does that mean?

30 posted on 03/11/2012 7:58:28 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: Osage Orange
.30 cal with between 5 and 10 grains of powder? According to my handloading book... vs... about 2 grains of powder and .22 cal?

Yep, the .30 cal is louder.

Both are supersonic.

/johnny

31 posted on 03/11/2012 8:00:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Thx....

Learn something everyday.......

32 posted on 03/11/2012 8:06:31 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: marktwain

Don’t get too worked up over the DB of the sonic crack, it is of short duration, and receding away (I would hope!) so constantly diminishing.

I shoot .30 cal supersonic suppressed, my own design, the sonic crack is not an issue compared to not having a suppressor.

I also shoot several other calibers, I am an 07/C2 suppressor manufacturer.
Wish I had been in a state that allowed them much sooner, my ears ring constantly, sometimes enough to wake me!

It may be too late, but I hope that avoiding unsuppressed shooting will allow some recovery.


33 posted on 03/11/2012 8:07:43 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: marktwain

IN typical MSM fashion these idiots are calling suppressors silencers.
People get the notion that a high power rifle can be silenced which just is not true.


34 posted on 03/11/2012 9:21:24 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Osage Orange

You gotta love the fireball the CZ 52 produces LOL
I wish I had bought a threaded barrel though when they were available so I could spin on a flash suppressor.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 9:25:28 PM PDT by mylife
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To: dynachrome

impressive


36 posted on 03/11/2012 9:29:36 PM PDT by mylife
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To: dynachrome
Suppressed CZ52


37 posted on 03/11/2012 9:37:55 PM PDT by mylife
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To: marktwain

When my daughter was 11 I took her on a father-daughter hunt on a 5000 acre private hunting club. A group of 6 does came within shooting range. She shot the first one and the group scattered, but they were back within a minute. She shot a second, then a third and they still didn’t take off. We could have killed them all but it didn’t even seem sporting.


38 posted on 03/11/2012 10:55:03 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Bottom line was the noise didn’t seem to bother them. A suppressor wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.


39 posted on 03/11/2012 10:56:52 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: marktwain; JRandomFreeper

http://veteransofbravo111.multiply.com/photos/photo/19/4

This was U.S. issue suppressor ca. 1969.
This is my old unit and I took this photo.
Typically the gas valve was closed because of the noise of the action.


40 posted on 03/12/2012 1:50:34 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Pontiac

The article used silencer.


41 posted on 03/12/2012 4:04:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The ban on ‘silencers’ is only part of the problem. I’d add automatic weapons to the list as well. Heck just do away with about 90% of the laws and it would be a good start.


42 posted on 03/12/2012 7:27:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Once again, an article on FreeRepublic about suppressors brings out the highest ignorance/reason ratio of any topic. There should be a rule that anyone posting to these threads must disclose if they have never owned or used a suppressor.

I’ll address the supersonic crack issue and say that a shooter worry much about the supersonic crack is like someone on a dock from which a speed boat just launched worrying about the dock being swamped by the wake.

Incidentally, when shooting more than a few rounds, and other than 22LR, I use hearing protection when shooting suppressed, just like when working with air tools, and for the same reason. Comfort and to avoid hearing loss.


43 posted on 03/12/2012 7:47:40 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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