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$50 Light Bulb That Replaces A 25 Bulb Got A $10 Million Government 'Prize'
American Thinker ^ | 03/12/2012 | Warren Beatty

Posted on 03/12/2012 6:13:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Have you ever heard of the "L" Prize? The Department of Energy's (DOE) "L" Prize challenged the lighting industry to develop high performance, energy-saving replacements for conventional light bulbs that will save American consumers and businesses money. Initiated in 2008 during the George W. Bush administration, DOE's first "L" Prize category was the 60-watt bulb because it is one of the most widely used types of light bulbs by consumers.

The "L" Prize was meant to hasten manufacturers' production of more efficient light bulbs in order to ease the transition away from inefficient incandescent light bulbs to more efficient Compact Fluorescent Light bulbs (CFL) and organic light-emitting diodes (OLED or just LED) bulbs. DOE Secretary Steven Chu said the prize was initiated to get the lighting industry to offer CFL and LED bulbs at prices "affordable for American families."

DOE announced in August, 2011, that Philips Lighting North America has won the first award under the Department's Bright Tomorrow Lighting Prize ("L" Prize) competition. Philips received a $10 million cash prize as well as "L" Prize partner promotions and incentives. The new light bulb was demonstrated at the LightFair trade show in Philadelphia this week, and will go on sale next year.

All of that is well and good (if you can call awarding a $10 million cash prize "good"). But there is one slight problem with the winning light bulb -- it costs $50, and that's not a typo. That price seems a bit high, considering that the bulb it was designed to replace costs about 25¢. Similar LED bulbs that did not win the "L" Prize are less than half the cost. For example, EcoSmart offers an LED bulb, assembled in Mexico, for $23.97. And another Philips LED bulb, made in China, sells for $24.97.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cflbulb; dncvsamerica; doevsamerica; idiotsincontrol; ledbulb; lightbulb; mercury4all; mercuryeverywhere; rinosvsamerica

1 posted on 03/12/2012 6:13:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind


It would take almost four periods (the ratio of total cost for LED versus Incandescent: $1,250.025/$318.75) of 50,000 hours for the total cost of the incandescent light bulb total cost to overtake LED total cost (the breakeven point of LED bulb ownership). Fifty thousand hours is equivalent to 5.7 years, so it would take 22.4 years (5.7 * 3.922) before incandescent bulb costs would exceed LED bulb cost. For CFL bulbs, with a cost ratio of 1.569, "only" 1.569 of the 50,000 hour periods is required, or 9 years. And those calculations are based upon having the lights on for 24 hours per day.

These are numbers that would only make sense to Nobel Prize winners like Secretary Chu and his Nobel Prize winning boss, Barack Obama ( Of course, Nobel Prize winning economist, Paul Krugman would approve ).
2 posted on 03/12/2012 6:16:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question)
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To: SeekAndFind

I stocked up on the 25 cents bulbs last year. They still are being sold this year until supplies run out. Unclear if they can be imported after that.


3 posted on 03/12/2012 6:26:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: SeekAndFind

Wish we could replace all the “dim bulbs” in Washington.


4 posted on 03/12/2012 6:36:46 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: sickoflibs

The 100 watt go first, I believe this year.
Then 75 watt next year, followed by 60 watt.


5 posted on 03/12/2012 6:38:23 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Wish we could replace all the “dim bulbs” in Washington.

Are you saying your vote is worthless?

6 posted on 03/12/2012 6:42:50 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What is WRONG with all you people? You should all be more like Danica Patrick and trust our government to make the wisest of all possible decisions for us. They are the elite, the ones that know best for all of us. We should be proud to have such wonderful public servants willing to make such sacrifices for us.

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7 posted on 03/12/2012 6:43:15 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

No.

Are you saying I get to vote in all congressional elections?


8 posted on 03/12/2012 6:45:30 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: SeekAndFind

The math in your table is far from correct. a 60 watt bulb uses 60 watts an hour x 1000 hours x 50 bulbs = 3000kWh which at $0.10 per kWh thats $300. A well designed LED light could do the same for about $25 dollar power usage. It will be more like 1k hours for the light to pay for itself.

This relies however on the electronics of the LED holding up for 10,000 hours. Them being manufactured by the lowest cost Chinese factory.... I have cfls that have went out in a few months...


9 posted on 03/12/2012 6:50:13 AM PDT by dareon
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To: dareon

10k hours for the light to pay for itself


10 posted on 03/12/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by dareon
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Are you saying I get to vote in all congressional elections?

Voting is al 50 states is technically illegal and working all 50 is something even Presidential candidates find difficult.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming you for the $10 million prize for a $50 light bulb. But exactly what did the person you voted for do to stop this nonsense?

11 posted on 03/12/2012 6:55:16 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Video: The price of going green: $50 light bulbs?

http://fxn.ws/x4vKyN


12 posted on 03/12/2012 6:56:44 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: dareon

You are right, but the problem is one of longevity. The cfl bulbs I have owned have never lasted anywhere near what they are supposed to.I have also used LED bulbs that barely lasted 4 months. They seem a good idea on paper but not so much when you actually use them.


13 posted on 03/12/2012 6:59:30 AM PDT by cyberstoic
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I live in New York. The people I voted for...are no closer to Washington today than I am.


14 posted on 03/12/2012 6:59:59 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: dareon

So... watt’s up with the “non-dimmable” LED bulbs being sold at Costco?

I though all LEDs were supposed to be dimmable?


15 posted on 03/12/2012 7:00:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: sickoflibs
There was an informative FR thread on Saturday: Legal Incandescent Bulbs are Here (New Rush Sponsor)
with work-arounds to the incandescent light bulb ban.

This link is on that thread: Newcandescent.com

and this clever solution:

16 posted on 03/12/2012 7:02:08 AM PDT by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am surprised that GE did not get the prize to give it back in good Boama propaganda in their news chain.
17 posted on 03/12/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

LED’s are no longer $50. Lowes has them for $20-22.00 and I expect the cost will go down...and they last 10,000 hours.


18 posted on 03/12/2012 7:10:22 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid question as I duplicate your calculations: how are you getting energy used? Lifespan x power x timespan adjustment / k = 1,000x60x50/1,000=3,000

(or am I just being dumb on a Monday morning?)


19 posted on 03/12/2012 7:11:13 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't know where your table comes from, but it looks like there are mistakes in it.

50000 hours at 10 W = 500,000 W-hr, or 500 kWH, or $50 electric cost.
50000 hours at 14 W = 700,000 W-hr, or 700 kWH, or $70 electric cost.
50000 hours at 60 W = 3,000,000 W-hr or 3000 kWH, or $300 electric cost.

Add in the original price and you get:
LED = $50 + $50
CFL = $4+ $70
INC = $0.25 + $300

I don't know about Chu, but that makes sense to me.

And Wal Mart has a CFL called "Lights of America" that uses 14W, and costs $0.97, and offers 900 lumens (brighter than a typical 60W incandescent at 770 lumens).

And they've lasted for 6 months now. ( Yes, some past CFLs cost me $4.00 and lasted 10 hours)

Looks like you're spreading manure , here.

20 posted on 03/12/2012 7:15:19 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: sickoflibs
There was a caller on Rush Friday that stated that he had a waiver and the machinery required to continue to manufacture the “old” incandescent bulbs. According to the caller, he is able to do this because he is manufacturing “heavy use” (outdoor, industrial use ?) light bulbs which were excluded from the energy conservation act. He also claimed that any and everyone could purchase these heavy use incandescent light bulbs.

If his claims are true, the new high priced, long duration lights are really going to languish on the shelves! They may even make the Volt look like a fast moving product for the same reasons.

21 posted on 03/12/2012 7:15:41 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are mistakes in that table. For instance, a 10W load run for 50000 hours is 500 KWH, not .01. 50,000*10 / 1000

Expected Life 50000 10000 1000
Watts 10 14 60
KWH/life 500 140 60
Cost of elec 0.1 0.1 0.1
Total Cost elec per bulb 50 14 6
Number of bulbs 1 5 50
Cost/bulb 50KHr 50 5 0.25

Total cost for 50KHRS 100 95 312


22 posted on 03/12/2012 7:19:42 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re up to our neck and many generations that follow us will never be able to pay off the debt. And yet our friggin’ commie government has the gall to award a foreign company $10 million of our dollars for a $50.00 light bulb. You can’t make this crap up folks. Another four years of these crooks and we’re history.


23 posted on 03/12/2012 7:26:55 AM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: dareon
I have cfls that have went out in a few months...

After seeing what can happen to the ballasts on these CF bulbs, I will never use one again. Especially the Global brand from WalMart. I don't care what Gov't Agency says what about it. I've stocked up enough cases of the incans to last me a lifetime.

24 posted on 03/12/2012 7:39:43 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Liberty is in danger. We are the generation. This is our role. Now is the time. Defend Freedom!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shining the light on a future executive order from the President: “An agency must be formed to help the needy pay for light bulbs...”


25 posted on 03/12/2012 7:41:09 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
And Wal Mart has a CFL called "Lights of America" that uses 14W, and costs $0.97, and offers 900 lumens

Do not use them. They are manufactured in China as the 'Global' brand and the ballasts have been reported in many instances to catch fire. My house is worth more to me than being green.

26 posted on 03/12/2012 7:48:58 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Liberty is in danger. We are the generation. This is our role. Now is the time. Defend Freedom!)
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To: preacher

This one needs its own thread. Just posted to fb.


27 posted on 03/12/2012 7:50:30 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: MrB

LEDs can be dimmed but you have to design the electronics to do so. It might be a little tricky to make this compatible with how standard dimmers in a house work(triac). I would not try to hook them up this way unless the LED(fixture) manufacturer says you can.


28 posted on 03/12/2012 8:16:43 AM PDT by dareon
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To: SeekAndFind

The cost of CFLs are $1-2 at Walmart.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 8:19:17 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (If my candidate doesn't win the nomination I'm going to kick my feet, cry like a baby, and stay home)
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To: dareon

Thanks, I did some research in the meantime and saw what the problem was.
I guess I just took it at face value when folks were saying that LEDs were dimmable.

Sure they are, but to account for the changing waveform coming in on the “dimmed” circuit, they have to have a lot more “smarts” and will cost a lot more.


30 posted on 03/12/2012 8:23:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I don't care so much about being green as being less expensive. And if you will show me where I made a mistake in debunking the table above, I will listen.

If there is a made-in-America alternative, lay it on me.

In the mean time, Snopes and UrbanLegends both say your "many instances" is overblown.

31 posted on 03/12/2012 9:08:28 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I did make a mistake in my version: not counting the lifetime of the bulbs. The electrical cost is still the same as I stated, I believe.

Try again:

50000 hours at 10 W = 500,000 W-hr, or 500 kWH, or $50 electric cost.
50000 hours at 14 W = 700,000 W-hr, or 700 kWH, or $70 electric cost.
50000 hours at 60 W = 3,000,000 W-hr or 3000 kWH, or $300 electric cost.

50000 hours at 50000 hr/bulb = 1 bulb @ $50 = $50
50000 hours at 10000 hr/bulb = 5 bulbs @$4 = $20
50000 hours at 1000 hr/bulb = 50 bulbs @ $0.25 = $12.50

Add the electrical cost to the purchase price and you get:
LED = $50 + $50 = $100
CFL = $70 + $20 = $90
INC = $300 + $12.50 = $312.50

I don't know about Chu, but that makes sense to me.

32 posted on 03/12/2012 9:16:42 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I meant to make no allusions to your debunking of the table from American Thinker. It has inaccuracies.

I only meant to warm about CF bulbs. One ballast flaming out is too many in my book. I have no reason to use them at all.

33 posted on 03/12/2012 9:20:48 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Liberty is in danger. We are the generation. This is our role. Now is the time. Defend Freedom!)
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To: Nip
See post #16 for details.

It's true, and the bulbs can be purchased online now. They're made in the USA by Rush's new sponsor.

34 posted on 03/12/2012 9:23:15 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

The bulb heat load does help in locales where there’s a heating season and of course penalizes A/C. Nobody seems to ever include that in the cost estimates.

Although there’s more daylight hours during A/C season so probably less of a penalty then.


35 posted on 03/12/2012 9:26:01 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SeekAndFind; mickie
All my ceilings are loaded with "eyeball" fixtures...bulbs imbedded. They use 65 W Indoor Reflector Floods.

The surface of the bulb, of course, is what makes it an "eyeball" fixture.

What will replace these bulbs under the new despotic mandate? A bulb that looks the same, or a piece of spaghetti twirling down out of the cavity in the ceiling???

All the bulbs are on dimmer control. Will the new bulbs be "dimmable"?

In short, should I stock up on current ceiling bulbs....or what???

(...in layman's terms, por favor).

Leni

36 posted on 03/12/2012 9:43:38 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: nascarnation
The bulb heat load does help in locales where there’s a heating season and of course penalizes A/C.

That's true - I built an upstairs office in my house in 2004 and it's well insulated and uses 8 light bulbs for light. That's 480 W of heat I was generating, but it was too much: if the outside temp was above 30F, I would have to open a window. (wood stove downstairs).

Now it's not such a problem.

I read somewhere where somebody was getting around the rules by declaring their bulbs to be "heat bulbs", which accidentally generate light (which is actually more correct than "light bulbs" which generate more heat energy than light energy).

37 posted on 03/12/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama’s Mandate
http://www.wimp.com/lightenup/


38 posted on 03/12/2012 9:44:50 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: trailhkr1
LED’s are no longer $50.

True, but the $50 bulb in the chart is the "L" prize winner, not existing LED bulbs.

39 posted on 03/12/2012 9:45:32 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: lonevoice
Even some Europeans are raging against the machine:

Heatballs

40 posted on 03/12/2012 11:12:52 AM PDT by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: cyberstoic

Bad luck on those LEDs. We have several and they have been going well past 4 months now. I just put one in my table side lamp, and really enjoy that it doesn’t get so hot that I can’t turn off the lamp. (doesn’t get hot at all).


41 posted on 03/12/2012 11:47:41 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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