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Japan's lost libido and America's asexual future
Asia Times ^ | March 13, 2012 | Spengler

Posted on 03/12/2012 9:22:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

[According to] a Japanese government study: Almost a third of Japanese boys aged 16-20 and three-fifths of girls say that they have no interest in sex.

The hormones of late adolescence evidently rage in vain against some cultural barrier that makes young Japanese "despise" sexual relations, according to the Japan Family Planning Association's report [1].

It turns out that the ultimate victim of sexual revolution is sex itself.

What makes the Japanese hate sex? The same things that make a growing proportion of Americans hate sex. Joan Sewell's 2007 book I'd Rather Eat Chocolate became the manifesto of American women who don't like sex, hailed at the as "the next wild turn in the female sexual revolution" by Sandra Tsing Loh in The Atlantic Monthly [2].

Pharmaceutical companies are racing to market a pill to revive fading female libido, to no avail: women do not want to be sex objects, and a culture that objectifies women will make them hate sex, as I wrote in this space five years ago [3]. But the problem has gotten worse than I imagined it would.

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After half a century of sexual revolution - otherwise known as objectification - women suffer en masse from the sexual equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome, identification with their tormentors, as a number of popular commentators observe.

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For adolescent girls, the replacement of courtship by "hooking up" with "friends with benefits" is a cruel prospect.

Even though only three out of ten American teenagers aged 13 to 16 are sexually active [7], the options available to adolescent girls are narrowly defined. Adolescent boys are monsters, as anyone who has been one, or known one, can attest...

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Freud's question, "What do women want?," ...

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturalsuicide; makes; moralabsolutes; sin; stupid; you
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I dunno. I haven't seen any of this first-hand, thanks be to God. But I'm noticing, out of the corner of my eye, more stories about girls who can rarely get boys away from video games long enough to be interested in them, and then they're only interested in unreciprocated Lewinskis.

University women giving each other squirmies with battery-operated appliances because they don't have time to waste with a stupid triflin' males.

Guys of 22 with erectile dysfunction, so desensitized by porn they can't get it up for a flesh-and-blood woman.

And just about universal consensus that a woman who hasn't been chemically spayed -- neutered --- "fluked" ---with endocrine disruptors, isn't fit for sex.

That's asexual Japan; the Planned Parenthood world; the hooked-up-and-then-got-tired-of-hooking-up culture.

Not loving? It's not even user-friendly.

Call it the "Sexual Revolution" what you want, but I sure wouldn't call it sexy.

1 posted on 03/12/2012 9:22:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Do anything enough, yes even sex, and it becomes old hat.

The fact that teenagers are so oversexed that they are bored with it seems to be lost on many. Couple that with Homosexuals marketing the ‘adolescent boy’ body type for girls as ‘sexy’ doesn’t do much for hetro boys anymore who make up the vast majority.

Video games become a ‘better’ even more enjoyable option.

Bizzarre I know. But it sure looks like it to me.


2 posted on 03/12/2012 9:28:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: GSP.FAN; Impy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; raccoonradio

I’d like to take this opportunity to announce that I am offering to adopt any wayward Japanese women, ages 18-28.


3 posted on 03/12/2012 9:29:49 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

To do my patriotic duty as a compassionate, patriotic conservative American, I will stand and assist you in this humanitarian endeavor.

Let it never be said that America turns her back on those in need.


4 posted on 03/12/2012 9:35:32 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think you have part of it; but I also think you are missing another huge contributing factor. Consider, Daddy-san works long hours; comes home to a wife who may appear distant (becasue she is angry about being home alone - yet demands the finer things in life that money brings). Daddy-san can never satisfy his wife's needs for fine dining, lavish vacations, furninature and an apartment in one of the most expensive places in the world to live. Culturally, Daddy-san may or may not have a mistress (again, culturally accepted and in fact may be seen as is a sign of accomplishment).

Junior gets to play with his video games, and if he is getting acceptable grades; really has no further expectations upon him. He is segregated from Girls, and see's them little more than a parasite that will bond to him, and force him into a life of servitude; and eventaully a family - thus forcing him to take on the role of a father whom he neither really knows, and may will despise for abandoning him.

How else do you reject and denounce a culture you find to be the anti-thesis to the lifestyle you hold dear? He is the most important person in his life, he can do no wrong, it is wrong for anyone to expect him to do anything for anyone else. He is entitled to live a life in suclusion, to play games and postpone adulthood indefinitely; that is how he was raised.

5 posted on 03/12/2012 9:35:48 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Adolescent boys are monsters, as anyone who has been one, or known one,”

adolescent girls are far worse these days.


6 posted on 03/12/2012 9:42:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My Japanese exchange students (college age) seem to go on dates and have boyfriends. They have said, though, that video games have changed Japanese boys. Fifteen years ago, they were outside skateboarding. Now they are all indoors gaming.


7 posted on 03/12/2012 9:44:58 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Lots of Japanese women look great well past 50.
Sex without love is like masturbating with a partner, add love and sex is wonderful.


8 posted on 03/12/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by Captain PJ
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Some folks would say that the primary purpose of sex is procreation. I know that in the 20th century, sex became sort of a dominant sport/hobby/recreational activity for a lot of people who didn't care for TV, but this has not been the dominant approach throughout history.

I'm not an expert in sex through history, but I will say this: historically, hygiene has been bad, health has not been great, and food consumption has occasionally been problematic. Sex drives go up if you have food, health, and if the people around you are trying to look like Hollywood glitterati. In the past, there was less reason to get excited.

In addition, contraceptives have been uncommon and childbirth has been risky for women. Sex had consequences -- people knew that not so long ago. Children died. Women died. Bastards were not popular. These were reasons why some people were careful. I'll also point out that venereal disease has been difficult to cure.

Let me be clear: People have been "doing it" forever. Adultery, prostitution, and premarital sex are not new inventions. BUT MY POINT is that in the not so distant past, sex was not approached as casually and as ubiquitously as we did in the 20th century.

If societies start to downplay sex as a prime recreational activity, it might be a very good thing -- and a far more natural thing.

9 posted on 03/12/2012 9:48:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: driftdiver; Mrs. Don-o
adolescent girls are far worse these days.

Not just "these days." Ever read Kipling?

10 posted on 03/12/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

God warned us to save it for marriage. It’s like eating honey, too much will make you sick.

Obama may not find as many women panting for free birth control as he thinks. LOL


11 posted on 03/12/2012 9:52:44 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

True, but previously their mom’s and dads were teaching them and trying to protect them.

I know a lot of moms who seem to live vicariously through their 13, 14, and 15 year old girls.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 9:55:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The hormones of late adolescence evidently rage in vain against some cultural barrier that makes young Japanese "despise" sexual relations, according to the Japan Family Planning Association's report.

It appears that the Japanese Family Planning Association has "succeeded" itself out of a job. They might as well shred their business cards and rent out the office space for a senior citizens' pachinko parlor ...

13 posted on 03/12/2012 9:56:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think declaring the “end of sex” is a little like declaring the “end of history”: such proclamations should be taken with a large dose of skepticism.

That being said, I do think that the availabilty of unlimited amounts of porn is having an effect on the American (world?) libido. It serves to desensitize because the thrills you can get from watching it might exceed one’s own performance in real life. I think this applies more to men than to women.

And the impact of technology on the libido is justin its infancy. It is just a matter of time before we master the mind-computer interface. And then, watch for people to download intense sexual experiences right into their heads—perhaps to the degree that you can’t tell it from reality. It’s Sci-Fi for now, but probably not for long. And when that happens....watch out!


14 posted on 03/12/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Almost a third of Japanese boys aged 16-20 and three-fifths of girls say that they have no interest in sex.”

I call B.S. on this one.


15 posted on 03/12/2012 9:57:52 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Hikikomori

Sōshoku danshi

16 posted on 03/12/2012 9:59:58 AM PDT by x
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Let it never be said that America turns her back on those in need.”

Norm - God Bless You!!!


17 posted on 03/12/2012 10:00:03 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Captain PJ

They do, but, since I’m 10+ years younger than that, I’ll concentrate on the youngins.

“Sex without love is like masturbating with a partner, add love and sex is wonderful.”

You could write romance novels and self help wooks with pearls of wisdom like that!


18 posted on 03/12/2012 10:01:30 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Captain PJ

They do, but, since I’m 10+ years younger than that, I’ll concentrate on the youngins.

“Sex without love is like masturbating with a partner, add love and sex is wonderful.”

You could write romance novels and self help books with pearls of wisdom like that!


19 posted on 03/12/2012 10:01:43 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: rbg81

That’s a discussion that goes back before even the alt.2600 days and Mondo 2000. The second that actual ‘cybersex’ becomes reality society as we know it ends. What results is anyone’s guess, but when you ban download sex with the ‘star’ of your choice into the brain and have an indistinguishable from real experience, most things like dating/marriage et all the money associated with it becomes unneeded. Birthcontrol is toast. most stds eliminated in short order. When you add it all up, it’s incredible.

Populations fall drastically as do the needed support structures..

Gee...wonder why they are also developing new scientific ways to ‘give birth’...


20 posted on 03/12/2012 10:02:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: GOPsterinMA

No no...I’m just a good American doing my part to help those in need. Any real American man would do the same...

It’s who we are as a people.


21 posted on 03/12/2012 10:03:45 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I agree!


22 posted on 03/12/2012 10:05:45 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Well,I’m 46 so I’ll take the upper range. We got this covered. ;)


23 posted on 03/12/2012 10:05:47 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That was a great post!

The funny thing is that at least a decade ago, Michael Savage was talking about pornography and how you could judge a culture by their porn. He stated at that time that Japan had the most vile, degrading, fecal-centered porn that he had ever seen. Just disgusting—and that interest in child porn-—(this is my opinion) probably came out of the Samurai practice of men sodomizing young boys and the lack of dignity and worth given to women. Christianity didn’t end the idea of “sodomy is good” like it did in Western Civilization.

Worldview matters and the Judeo-Christian Ethics created Romance and Chivalry and put women on a pedestal where they chose their own husbands. Gave them power and men had to work and grovel and show respect to win their hand—show competence. Now, nothing—they get easy sex with no commitment....which means nothing in the end. My mother always told me—if you give away the milk, there is no reason to take the cow.—(I might have butchered that???)

The Brave New World illustrates a world where there is no love—no biological connections— mother and father have become ugly concepts—where children are raised and conditioned by the state and have no biological connectedness to other human beings which means they are unable to connect—like the Romanian orphans.

Exactly like the radical egalitarianism of Marx where humanity is no longer a part of man where everyone is interchangeable, biology has no meaning and the words wife and husband are obsolete. Love is nonexistent—because God is nonexistent in their world-—no hope, faith or charity. Ugly cruel meaningless relationships.


24 posted on 03/12/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think that’s true. As the availability, quantity, and realism of porn increases, the need for actual partners decreases. In fact, in some ways, it makes life easier as dealing with real partners is often a painful, messy affair. If (really when) true “cybersex” becomes reality, it will be a major paradigm shift for Society.

Its quite possible that Cybersex, rather than other things (nuclear war, global warming, meteors, etc) may prove to be the “extinction event” for human beings as we know them.

By that time, we may also find a way to encase our entire consciousness inside robots. That would eliminate the need for reproduction as well.


25 posted on 03/12/2012 10:11:27 AM PDT by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

they have redirected their libidos to virtual sex with anime characters, which is really quite disturbing.


26 posted on 03/12/2012 10:14:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Norm Lenhart
when you can download sex with the ‘star’ of your choice into the brain and have an indistinguishable from real experience, most things like dating/marriage et all the money associated with it becomes unneeded

But an employee to cook, clean, shop, organize, and maintain good relations with the relations will still have a price above rubies.

Actually, I think your misogynist fantasy will prove to be attractive only to an addled few ... and those will be the subjects of the type of business mentioned in the article's closing paragraph: cleaning up for the "lonely dead" who are discovered when they reach a critical stage of decomposition.

27 posted on 03/12/2012 10:18:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: savagesusie
My mother always told me—if you give away the milk, there is no reason to take the cow.—(I might have butchered that???)

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free," is the standard version of that old saw.

28 posted on 03/12/2012 10:20:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Hodar
Daddy-san can never satisfy his wife's needs for fine dining, lavish vacations, furninature and an apartment in one of the most expensive places in the world to live. Culturally, Daddy-san may or may not have a mistress (again, culturally accepted and in fact may be seen as is a sign of accomplishment). Junior gets to play with his video games, and if he is getting acceptable grades; really has no further expectations upon him. He is segregated from Girls, and see's them little more than a parasite that will bond to him, and force him into a life of servitude; and eventaully a family - thus forcing him to take on the role of a father whom he neither really knows, and may will despise for abandoning him.

I see it similarly to you, as young men being on strike, having decided that the cost of having a girlfriend or wife is not worth the benefit.

29 posted on 03/12/2012 10:21:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks-—I am sure my mother quoted it correctly-—I have overloaded my brain with too much information!


30 posted on 03/12/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie


If you take away the potential happy fufilling marriage with a supotive relationship then a 'relationship' is just a huge source headaches, stress and complications. Stacking the 'fun' of sex against the ugly relaity of the modern dating scene it is no surprise that many of both sexes have concluded 'why bother'.

31 posted on 03/12/2012 10:27:05 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: savagesusie

I wish I could empty out all the useless celebrity gossip, for example, so that I’d have space in my brain to remember what day it is and whether I fed the fish!


32 posted on 03/12/2012 10:29:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: Tax-chick

Woah! slow down TC. It isn’t “my” mysogynist anything. I never said word one I liked the idea. I pointed out the discussion has taken place for decades and if you do not think it’s happening, you need to read up. Because actual scientists have been working on the tech for years. The same tech that lets you mind control a computer screen or an aircraft a’la DARPA will let you do the voodoo youdoo with a mental sex partner.

Again, I did not say ANYTHING about approving, backing, wanting or anything else so you might wanna relook at that ‘your’ mysogynist fantasy thing.” It ain’t mine. It the way the technology and society are headed.

That said, if I took that the wrong way I apologize up front. If not, see above.


33 posted on 03/12/2012 10:29:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: BO Stinkss
“Almost a third of Japanese boys aged 16-20 and three-fifths of girls say that they have no interest in sex.” I call B.S. on this one.

I would re-phrase as "...they have no interest in sex with anybody who would actually be interested in THEM.”

Much is said about the effect of visual porn on men. Less is said about the effect of movies and "romance novels" on women, setting unrealistic expectations of what kind of lover they "deserve".

34 posted on 03/12/2012 10:30:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Norm Lenhart

AMEN!!!


35 posted on 03/12/2012 10:31:43 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Establishment is the establishment.)
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To: Tax-chick

Mark Steyn’s book, “America Alone” goes into great detail on populations statistics. The data are appalling. All of Europe is below 1.5 as is Asia as well. I believe Japan’s level is 1.3 which Steyn calls “cultural suicide.”

Frank


36 posted on 03/12/2012 10:31:57 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (This tagline space for rent.)
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To: x

That would make a great T shirt “Hikikomori - don’t bother me”


37 posted on 03/12/2012 10:31:59 AM PDT by Captain PJ
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To: Norm Lenhart
"...when you ban download sex with the ‘star’ of your choice into the brain and have an indistinguishable from real experience..."

Hey! I saw that Futurama episode too! (With Lucy Liu)

38 posted on 03/12/2012 10:32:52 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: savagesusie
Studies have found that the deep mental involvement with video gaming causes chemical changes int he brain similar to what drug addicts obtain. And studies have compared the drug addicted chemical rushes in the brain to the chemical rush from orgasm. I doubt that scientists now want to make the natural connections which point to video gaming rush being a substituted for orgasmic rush.

The real and deeper issue is the stealing of the soul that such 'unhmane' service to the chemical rush brings about. The rush is obtazined with no connection to a taboo structure, and taboo structures in society have always been connected to a god-fear of one kind or another. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. What do societies become when they eschew wisdom? We are witnessing the phenomenon in our dying American Republic, where serving great lies has become the daily work of the information class (euphemistically called the mainstream media). Disconnecting the human psyche from God is what these are actually serving, and that is sourced in the father of lies, a murderer from the start. Murdering the souls of men and women is the work of, you guessed it, the most hate-filled evil in the Universe.

In countries like Japan, it is not enough for the evil one to turn their society into a godless mire, the evil one feasts upon the death of their souls. Pornographers make a fortune murdering the human soul. But they are even small fries compared to the wholesale soul murder accomplished with addictions. Think in terms of Japanese youth being addicts to a brain rush they have no societal taboos to help them know right from wrong. The Japanese culture, once strong and vibrant, was caught unaware of its vulberability to the oldest trick, bread and circuses.

39 posted on 03/12/2012 10:34:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Tax-chick

Mooooo....that’s all I have to say.

Mrs CT Hillbilly

BTW-where is Laz? Isn’t it FR protocol that he post on all Asian-sex threads?

;)


40 posted on 03/12/2012 10:34:22 AM PDT by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: PapaBear3625

As an actual writer for a number of years, I looked into romance novels as a resource/income stream. Big money in that biz. And largely indistinguishable from”Dear Penthouse, I never thought this would happen to me but last night....”

It’s porn. Perhaps not XXX but X to be sure.

And ladies, the vast majority of female authors writing them are really named Joe and Dave. Not “Talya Wordsworth Stringfellow.”


41 posted on 03/12/2012 10:34:55 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: savagesusie
Studies have found that the deep mental involvement with video gaming causes chemical changes int he brain similar to what drug addicts obtain. And studies have compared the drug addicted chemical rushes in the brain to the chemical rush from orgasm. I doubt that scientists now want to make the natural connections which point to video gaming rush being a substituted for orgasmic rush.

The real and deeper issue is the stealing of the soul that such 'unhmane' service to the chemical rush brings about. The rush is obtazined with no connection to a taboo structure, and taboo structures in society have always been connected to a god-fear of one kind or another. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. What do societies become when they eschew wisdom? We are witnessing the phenomenon in our dying American Republic, where serving great lies has become the daily work of the information class (euphemistically called the mainstream media). Disconnecting the human psyche from God is what these are actually serving, and that is sourced in the father of lies, a murderer from the start. Murdering the souls of men and women is the work of, you guessed it, the most hate-filled evil in the Universe.

In countries like Japan, it is not enough for the evil one to turn their society into a godless mire, the evil one feasts upon the death of their souls. Pornographers make a fortune murdering the human soul. But they are even small fries compared to the wholesale soul murder accomplished with addictions. Think in terms of Japanese youth being addicts to a brain rush they have no societal taboos to help them know right from wrong. The Japanese culture, once strong and vibrant, was caught unaware of its vulnerability to the oldest demonic trick, bread and circuses, murderer of cultures for as long as humans have gathered into groups and clans and established taboos.

42 posted on 03/12/2012 10:35:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Tax-chick

If the fish are floating, you fed them twice. ;-o)


43 posted on 03/12/2012 10:36:16 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (This tagline space for rent.)
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To: rlmorel

Idea was around LOOOOng before that ;)


44 posted on 03/12/2012 10:37:00 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: savagesusie
Worldview matters and the Judeo-Christian Ethics created Romance and Chivalry and put women on a pedestal where they chose their own husbands. Gave them power and men had to work and grovel and show respect to win their hand—show competence.

I would amend the above from "...they chose their own husbands" to ""...they chose their own husbands from the subset of candidates acceptable to Father". Disaster follows when teenage girls are allowed unlimited discretion to couple with whatever loser comes along.

45 posted on 03/12/2012 10:38:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Norm Lenhart; GOPsterinMA
I will stand and assist you in this humanitarian endeavor.

Just be careful and don't bend-over in that endeavor.

46 posted on 03/12/2012 10:40:41 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: MHGinTN

Here’s another point to ponder. Video games are by nature escapist fun. I love them ahs have played them since the late 70s when they were a novelty.

With the current computers/xbox360/PS3, the realism level is very close to true virtual reality and in involved RPGs (role playing games) lime Elder Scrolls FF13 and the war games, that escapism takes you from a world in which you are powerless to the crap of daily life and puts you, with power, into a fantasy world that suspension of disbelief can become quite ‘real’ to your imagination.

In short, all the WOW players that seem to ‘live’ online, really ARE ‘living’ their lives online. This planet sucks and they through technology, went to one they like more.


47 posted on 03/12/2012 10:43:52 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Japanese are so screwed. But imagine this paradigm in
China, where one-child has grievously imbalanced the male-female ratio, and that first imbalanced generation is coming of age. Some subset of Chinese males are completely s-o-l because of the evil their leaders have propogated in the name of state socialism.


48 posted on 03/12/2012 10:44:52 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: sam_paine

I wear a “Do not enter” sign on a belt ;)


49 posted on 03/12/2012 10:45:01 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The media pumps our heads full of what the perfect man or woman looks(and acts)like. Real people tend to fall short and can be a turn off.


50 posted on 03/12/2012 10:48:56 AM PDT by Captain PJ
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