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Aircraft Carrier Enterprise Sets Off On Final Journey - Direction Iran
Zero Hedge ^ | March 11, 2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 03/12/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by Fennie

Today, at noon Eastern, the storied aircraft carrier Enterprise, aka CVN-65, left its home port of Naval Station Norfolk one final time for its final voyage with a heading: Arabian Sea, aka Iran.

There in a week it will join CVN 72 Lincoln and CVN 70 Vinson, as well as LHD 8 Makin Island, all of which are supporting any potential escalation of "hostilities" in the Persian Gulf region.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hormuz; iran; israel; opec; persiangulf; waronterror

1 posted on 03/12/2012 10:51:17 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie
I remembering hearing somewhere that one is to never refer to a ship's "final voyage" as it sets sail.
2 posted on 03/12/2012 10:53:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

one would think that would be obvious..


3 posted on 03/12/2012 10:55:48 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Fennie

Is a ship the size the USS Enterprise vulnerable to the type of swarm attack used against the USS Cole?


4 posted on 03/12/2012 10:57:56 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: BenLurkin
It isn't her final voyage until she flys her paying-off pennant. Until then she is just a ship in commission. As needs of the fleet, you know things like a shooting war with Iran, can always extend the term of service.
5 posted on 03/12/2012 10:58:08 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Fennie
How about Last Lap.
6 posted on 03/12/2012 10:58:17 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Fennie

All the emphasis on this being the Enterprise’s final voyage is a bit disquieting as it sails for the Persian Gulf. I hope Dear Leader is not thinking about anything that might help him politically vs. what is good for the sailors, troops and the US.


7 posted on 03/12/2012 11:00:14 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29

bttt


8 posted on 03/12/2012 11:01:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Fennie

9 posted on 03/12/2012 11:05:29 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
Is a ship the size the USS Enterprise vulnerable to the type of swarm attack used against the USS Cole?

Unlike the USS Cole, the USS Enterprise has belt armor so you would need a much larger bomb. Bigger the bomb, harder it is to get close. Which brings up the most important difference. USS Cole was anchored in a supposedly friendly port. They didn't think anything of a small boat in the harbor until it literally bumped into them. With a ship, under way, at sea, surrounded by escorts, it would be a much harder task. The minute you penetrated the screen the CIWS and 25mm mounts on the escorts and the carrier itself are going to engage the targets.

So in summary, possible, but unlikely as heck. If they come within range of the land based launchers a swarm of cruise missiles could overwhelm the defenses. But that leaves finger prints. So you get to do that once and then you have a real all out shooting war. Even if you are successful there are those two other CV battle groups. Each of which has an air wing that could take on Iran's air force by itself.
10 posted on 03/12/2012 11:06:14 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Truth29

IMO FWIW YMMV ETC...

The only boost I can imagine him getting from a war with Iran is a negative one. After the recent Afghanistan events, even those of us that WANT to see Iran glassed know that if he attacks them it will not be anything but token. and his ROEs will be the same crap that make us madder by the death.

His base will freak, so I just see no political upside. No one will rally round the CIC with this CIC. They haven’t in the past 2 wars or Libya. They won’t now.


11 posted on 03/12/2012 11:09:14 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Fennie

Anything that has to do with “Enterprise” in America will be shut down with the coming of Obama’s second term.

It all seems fitting, in a very sad sort of way.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 11:11:03 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Thanks!


13 posted on 03/12/2012 11:13:24 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: brownsfan

He’ll sell it to an Asian company rather than scarp it so more private Enterprise will be moved off-shore to other countries.


14 posted on 03/12/2012 11:13:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Fennie

Maybe Obama will “De-commision” it by handing it over to the Iranians?


15 posted on 03/12/2012 11:15:54 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: eCSMaster

16 posted on 03/12/2012 11:31:33 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

remind me why the nuclear powered cruisers were decommisioned...


17 posted on 03/12/2012 11:35:23 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: GonzoGOP; Joe the Pimpernel

Here’s a few things to consider. The last time we were in a real all out shooting war with Iran in the Persian Gulf (the tanker war) the Navy “was still insisting it couldn’t put its carriers in the constricted waters of the gulf.” (Schwartzkopf). The Iranians were firing cruise missiles at ships in the gulf, as well as sowing mines. Those underground bunkers that we are not sure our bunker-busters could bust, could be shielding weapons other than nukes as well. Just a few things to think about.


18 posted on 03/12/2012 11:43:10 AM PDT by ngat
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Fennie.


19 posted on 03/12/2012 12:03:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: RitchieAprile
remind me why the nuclear powered cruisers were decommisioned...

Maybe the gubmint wants GM Volt powered cruisers. Or maybe solar. I don't know ........

20 posted on 03/12/2012 12:07:03 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: ngat
Those underground bunkers that we are not sure our bunker-busters could bust, could be shielding weapons other than nukes as well.

A nuke is actually what you have to worry about. A nuke is about the only thing that can one hit a super carrier and sink it. You can mission kill one fairly easily with a fire, as Enterprise herself proved. But to actually sink one you need literally hundreds of hits with missiles or a nuke. But one nuclear tipped torpedo from an Iranian Kilo class could do the job.

The problem is as I said before that leaves finger prints. Nuke a carrier and there is going to be a reaction from the other two carriers. Even Obama wouldn't be able to stop it. If he did he might as well pack his bags immediately.

That is the importance of having three battle groups in the area. You might be able to surprise and take out one carrier. However there is no way to get all three before they launch a counter attack. We may suck at nation building, but two CV battle groups can do a lot of nation wrecking.
21 posted on 03/12/2012 12:07:05 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: RitchieAprile
remind me why the nuclear powered cruisers were decommisioned.

Expenses and flexibility. All of them needed an upgrade in their electronics to keep up with the Aegis ships. With all the regulations imposed by the greens regarding disposal of nuclear waste, you could build a new Alrigh Burke for the cost of refueling and upgrading the electronics on one of the older nuclear cruisers.

In addition with a conventional power plant you can get repairs done anyplace in the world. Look at Cole, Stark and Roberts. Major hits that could be patched up locally before sending them home for yard work. Now imagine what would have happened if Cole had been a nuke. You just handed Bin Laden and Co. the ability to Fukushima any port we entered. How soon before nobody would let us in?

We use nukes only where there is no alternative. Carriers are so big they need the power. Subs need an AIP power source. But a cruiser can get along with conventional power.
22 posted on 03/12/2012 12:19:37 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
You can mission kill one fairly easily with a fire, as Enterprise herself proved.

I don't recall a serious fire happening on Enterprise. Are you perhaps thinking of the Forrestal fire?

Forrestal Fire

23 posted on 03/12/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Joe the Pimpernel

The Cole was not swarmed. It was attacked by a single suicide bomber in a small boat. Bill Clinton was warned that Yemen was dangerous and went against the Navy and brokered the deal to refuel ships anyway. Obama is a disaster but few people realize how much damage, intentional I believe, Clinton did to this country while he was in office. In fact if anyone is responsible for allowing the terrorist attacks of 9/11 a good case can be made for Clinton through his Justice Department appointee Jamie Gorelick.


24 posted on 03/12/2012 12:21:49 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Fennie
In fact if anyone is responsible for allowing the terrorist attacks of 9/11 a good case can be made for Clinton through his Justice Department appointee Jamie Gorelick.

Jamie and her infamous "wall of separation" that kept the FBI and CIA from sharing critical information.

25 posted on 03/12/2012 12:24:23 PM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Bob
Are you perhaps thinking of the Forrestal fire?

Nope, Enterprise burned on January 14, 1968. Real bad day for the Navy, 27 dead and over 300 injured. More importantly it took the Big E out of the war for over a year.

26 posted on 03/12/2012 12:25:26 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Fennie

Go out with a bang, Pretty Girl.


27 posted on 03/12/2012 12:34:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: GonzoGOP

Thanks for the info. I had completely forgotten about that fire. Somehow, the Forrestal fire stuck in my mind while the Enterprise fire didn’t.


28 posted on 03/12/2012 1:13:16 PM PDT by Bob
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To: eCSMaster

Yep - I was thinking ...recycle....into this.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 1:17:24 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Mariner

been on her,,carrier qauls VF-121, VF-51....good ship..fond memories.May she find calm seas, fair winds and the peace of a warrior in rest.


30 posted on 03/12/2012 1:55:06 PM PDT by VF-51vnv
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To: al_c

I love it!!!!!


31 posted on 03/12/2012 2:27:53 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it doesn't get any better than that!)
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