[WI] Judge rules voter ID law unconstitutional [makes temp injunction permanent]

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 3/12/2012 | The Associated Press and Patrick Marley

[kabar]

Don’t forget that there are about 15 million green card holders, i.e., Legal Permanent Residents, in this country. They are entitled to SS# and DL. They have almost all of the rights and benefits of citizenship except they cannot vote. We need to ensure that they don’t until they become citizens.

[MileHi]

So there is no “right”.

[Jack Burton007]

More of a “right” for voting than there is for abortion.

If you don’t think there is a right to vote then try to stop someone from exercising that “right”. Unless you’re a member of the Black Panthers you’d be jailed for violating the right to vote.

But I agree with you that the Constitution doesn’t list the right to vote among it’s amendments.

[omni-scientist]

Where is the “right” to vote found?

Apparently it is found in the Pre-Constitution. Any infringement on that right is thereby Unpre-Constitutional.

[MileHi]

The horror!

[Hunton Peck]

There have been reports of multiple, unrelated people registered at the same address, including warehouses or other non-residential addresses. They don’t actually need to be voting in the stead of an actual, living person. Hence, the mass-registration drives by ACORN and successor or similar groups.

You’re right that it would be difficult for some individual to carry out on a whim, but that isn’t what we’re concerned about. You’re also right that ending same-day registration would reduce the problem, but the registration drives conducted by leftist front groups are about corrupting even the pre-registration process.

[Westbrook]

I think we should only allow male property owners over the age of 25 years to vote, the only exception being combat veterans.

Government employees, including politicians, and their families should not be allowed to vote, for very obvious reasons.

[DoughtyOne]

There have been reports of multiple, unrelated people registered at the same address, including warehouses or other non-residential addresses. They don’t actually need to be voting in the stead of an actual, living person.

Okay, as described, this is clearly a problem.  So lets consider what would be the best way to correct this?  Wouldn't it be to run a simple computer screen of registered voters before printing out the voter rolls for polling stations to use?  Wouldn't it be to then print out a list of the anomolies, so that when people come in to vote under these fraudulent accounts, the person could be taken into custody and prosecuted?

You see, the problem I have with the fixes that are suggested is that they always put the onus on U. S. Citizens?  Illegal aliens voting, make U. S. Citiznes present I. D.  Don't deport them.  Don't stop them from coming in.  Leftist election frauds?  Why make U. S. Citizens show I. D.s.  No!  Get rid of the aliens.  Start getting serious about stopping the fraudulent registrations.

It's like our airports.  Allow in people from terrorist nations, then put the onus on U. S. Citizens to submit to a Checkpoint Charlie atmosphere every time they want to fly.  Then allow the government to hire millions of former minimum wage earners to be Transportation Security, and develop large databases on those same good citizens.  And of course, don't you dare profile.  Don't you dare hold Islamic trouble makers responsible when they stand up in unison on aircraft, and cause the other passengers to fear for their lives.

Hence, the mass-registration drives by ACORN and successor or similar groups.

Yes, but we are aware of this.  This was done in violation of laws already on the books.  Did anyone go to prison over this?  No.  Once again, get the citizens to jump through more hoops.

In the election that saw Congressman Bob Dornan ousted, Hermandad Nacional was found to have registered hundreds of illegal aliens who voted.  Dornan only lost by 500 to 700 votes, and yet the Republican Congress that could have ordered a new election for any abnormalities being detected, chose to oust him and let Sanchez have his seat.

Hermandad Nacional was fined, didn't lose their government contracts, and then I believe the fine was eventually forgiven.  Why?

Once again, the solution is to have U. S. Citizens jump through more hoops.

Isn't the solution to use easy methods to stop these problems, and leave the U. S. Citizens alone?  Nope, gotta make sure every Citizen has a government I. D.

I think we submit far too often for challenges to who we are.

If my credit card is stolen, it's my duty to report it immediately.  It should not be my duty to present I. D. six times during an afternoon of shopping.

You’re right that it would be difficult for some individual to carry out on a whim, but that isn’t what we’re concerned about.  I agree, but that's part of what we're told we need to protect against.  We don't believe that to be true do we.

You’re also right that ending same-day registration would reduce the problem, but the registration drives conducted by leftist front groups are about corrupting even the pre-registration process.

Sure they are.  We agree.  I think we also agree that if Leftists were being prosecuted and stiff penalities imposed when they were caught, there would be almost none of this.

Election fraud should get the guilty ten years in prison.  It's a direct threat to the foundation of our Republic, the consent of the U. S. Citizens.

[topher]

Why not postpone the April 3 elections until the appeal is heard? Sounds like a vicious attempt to steal an election through deceit.

It would allow Due Process for the election and properly passed legislation.

[Java4Jay]

It’s unconstitutional to let illegal immigrants vote

[OldArmy52]

America the Corrupt!

And who says the USA is still a free nation?
Passes the duck test for a dictatorship rather than a democracy.

So...any illegal can vote multiple times to decide our Nation’s future, but to get on a plane, bus, etc, one must suffer sexual assault from the TSA, Obama’s goon squads?

Police State where the People’s Voice means squat.

A One Party Media ala the old Soviet Union....

All this the downstream fallout from 9/11?

[True Republican Patriot]

Thank you Greatly! So SCOTUS decided back on April 28, 2008
that these Laws were Constitutional! Yet, four years later, the Obama HUSSEIN MUSLIM TERRORIST CABAL is ignoring and trampling over Established Law and the United States Constitution and State Rights and Laws everywhere!
Tell me this Phantom with NO KNOWN HISTORY is NOT AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST put in the Oval Office by the 57 ISLAMIC CALIPHATES!

[beachn4fun]

This, as well as all others overturned, is just a boat load of horse poop! Some lawyers with big cajones need to speak out on this.

There is nothing wrong with requiring an ID, we do it for every other thing in this country. As long as the law requires EVERYONE to provide the ID, there isn’t anything unconstitutional about it. No discrimination involved.

I’m beginning to see more and more evidence that our government is aiding and abetting criminals by allowing illegals to stay in this country. And siding with them more than legal citizens, using our constitution in shady ways.

Good luck to AG Van Hollen!

[The Electrician]

“Pre-Constitution” would mean the period of time in which the colonies were ruled by a monarchy.

Ummm.... actually, after 1776/77 the colonies had the Articles of Confederation for about 10 years before the Constitutional Convention.

I don't have the dates completely correct here (all of the dates below), but it appears that Wisconsin joined the Union on May 29, 1848.

Prior to that it was the Territory of Wisconsin, from July 3, 1836, until May 29, 1848.

Prior to that it was within the Northwest Territory that existed from July 13, 1787, until March 1, 1803. (guess it was still in a portion of the area formerly known as the Northwest Territory from 1803 to 1836)

Prior to that it was part of the Indian Reserve, a territory under British rule set aside in the Royal Proclamation of 1763 for use by American Indians, which was assigned to the United States in the Treaty of Paris (1783), which overlaps the period when the Articles of Confederation were in effect, as well as the time when the US Constitution was in force, as well as prior to US independence.

So, did the American Indians have a right to vote in the area that later became Wisconsin as specified by the Treaty of Paris? Or else, there might be something amiss in your line of argument, interesting as it may be.