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U.S. must 'hustle' to reach 36 billion gallons of biofuels by 2022, ag secretary says
Kansas City Star ^ | March12, 2012 | by Cory Nealon

Posted on 03/12/2012 6:34:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The United States can meet President Barack Obama's goal of producing 36 billion gallons of biofuels by 2022, but it better get moving.

That's according to Tom Vilsack, secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

According to a 2010 Agriculture Department report, the agency plans for the U.S. to produce 13.4 billion gallons of biofuels from grasses and sugars. The rest would come from oil seeds, crop residues and wood waste.

The EPA is exploring other sources, such as animal fats, municipal solid waste and algae.

The push for more biofuels comes as other industries, such as commercial power companies, seek alternative fuel sources to comply with tougher pollution standards set by the Obama administration. For example, Dominion Virginia Power announced last year it would convert three coal-fired power plants to biomass.

Citing a Penn State University study that states the U.S. produces more than 1 billion tons of biomass a year, Vilsack said there is plenty to satisfy numerous industries. Environmental groups aren't so sure.

The Southern Environmental Law Center is concerned that companies will start removing healthy trees from forests to meet demands that are expected to grow.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algae; animalfats; anwr; biofuels; cropresidues; drill; election2012; energy; ethanol; fraud; grasses; greenfraud; keystonexl; mtba; municipalsolidwaste; nobama2012; ntsa; obama; oilseeds; opec; stfu; sugars; tomvilsack; woodwaste
The Dept. of Agriculture and the EPA are in charge of our energy future.

Pray for America.

1 posted on 03/12/2012 6:34:56 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

More unicorn droppings.


2 posted on 03/12/2012 6:37:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Soylent GAS is people?!?


3 posted on 03/12/2012 6:38:32 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Total nonsense. Grass and corn are needed to feed animals and people.

And the most efficient use of wood waste is as pellets, which can be burned in pellet stoves and furnaces. I put in a pellet fireplace insert a few years ago, and it has saved us a bundle on fuel oil, which at last billing was going for $4.15 a gallon.


4 posted on 03/12/2012 6:40:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let me translate his comments into English:

We need more money to keep the gravy train a rolling.....


5 posted on 03/12/2012 6:41:23 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Takes more energy to produce bio-fuels than what you get out of it.


6 posted on 03/12/2012 6:41:33 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These people just keep pushing and pushing.

It’ll come to a head. And not soon enough.

F U B O !


7 posted on 03/12/2012 6:43:04 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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It's the Obamacare, stupid!


One-half gallon of oil in the form of pesticides per bushel of corn would cost $2 to $3 per bushel. If this were true -- and it clearly isn't -- it should be enough to illustrate to literally anyone that the price of petroleum is quite literally the ONLY thing driving corn prices. And this idiotic piece of agitprop -- from a hydrogen "energy" advocacy site -- also shows the guy in the encounter suit spraying chemical fertilizer, a sight that I've never been privileged to see, what with me *growing up on a farm*.

Hydrogen Advocacy Group Anti-Ethanol Agitprop

8 posted on 03/12/2012 6:49:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3
Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3

9 posted on 03/12/2012 6:49:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The rest would come from oil seeds, crop residues and wood waste.

The EPA is exploring other sources, such as animal fats, municipal solid waste and algae.

Isn't this what Hitler's Germany did when they were up against the wall?

/johnny

10 posted on 03/12/2012 6:50:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

= 857,142,857 bbls

What makes anyone think that Zero *wants* biofuels to succeed?!?

Thanks Oldeconomybuyer.


11 posted on 03/12/2012 6:50:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let us hope this is another promise the One makes, that, the next American President doesn’t keep.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 6:51:57 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe the cartoon was fostered by folks trying to grind an axe for other impractical fuels like hydrogen, but still this does not look like a claim that 1/2 gallon of oil goes solely into pesticides for a bushel of corn — but that it goes collectively into all the activity involved in producing the bushel, harvesting it, and processing that bushel into ethanol a la Arthur Daniels Midland. And the poison suit simply is a caricatured way of showing this ain’t watering the corn... gee whiz the whole operation isn’t located together either, are we going to quibble about this too.


13 posted on 03/12/2012 6:56:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That’s a shit-ton of Algae. They’d best get started!


14 posted on 03/12/2012 7:00:41 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

If all the nobama minions were processed into soylent green this goal might be reached.


15 posted on 03/12/2012 7:03:42 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We don't need no stinkin' biofuels. We're sitting on top of two billion barrels of oil right under Los Angeles. ALL of the old capped well's are full again - a well known fact.

The mayor of Long Beach found out about a couple of them being full-to-the-brim and tried to start pumping oil to aid the Long Beach city coffers. He was denied a permit, and told to 'shut up about wells being full again.'

I know too that wells drilled in Oklahoma when I was a child (on extensive family property) are also full to the brim. Those too have been 'locked up' - no pumping of oil allowed.

16 posted on 03/12/2012 7:05:02 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

And if they went fracking at those sites — there wouldn’t be any waiting decades for them to refill either.


17 posted on 03/12/2012 7:06:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
These people are insane.

They are destroying America.
And idiots keep voting more of them into office.

By the time it all comes crashing down there will be no returning to the policies and conditions that led to America's success and wealth.

There are now too many moochers and takers, too many communists, too many greedy and stupid politicians, not enough producers.

The culture of self reliance, personal pride, and morality has been over run by government dependent freaks, perverts moochers and vote sellers.

Once the Republic is gone, it's gone forever.

18 posted on 03/12/2012 7:10:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s a completely false claim, so the source doesn’t matter, neither does your quibbling.


19 posted on 03/12/2012 7:16:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

Your reference for “complete falsity”?

Can you better quantify how much petroleum goes to subsidize fuel ethanol?


20 posted on 03/12/2012 7:18:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So what the Secretary in charge of cow discharge is saying is “hurry the stupid up, you’re not stupiding fast enough”. Seems appropriate for someone in charge of cow discharge.


21 posted on 03/12/2012 7:33:04 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The military just bought biofuel at what $26 a gallon? That should make $5 gas look cheap...


22 posted on 03/12/2012 7:35:21 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Dept. of Agriculture and the EPA Archer Daniels Midland are in charge of our energy future.

Fixed it for ya'.

23 posted on 03/12/2012 7:40:57 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: SkyDancer

>> “Takes more energy to produce bio-fuels than what you get out of it.” <<

.
That is an absolute fact!

It takes more than a gallon of real diesel oil to produce a gallon of ‘bio-fuel.’
.


24 posted on 03/12/2012 7:41:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We better get crackin' making more of the stuff they demand, because they'll sue us if we don't use the stuff that doesn't exist.

Think I'm making that up? Think again. They are already doing it! Government forces refiners to pay fine for nonexistent ethanol (Institute for Energy Research).

25 posted on 03/12/2012 7:42:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SkyDancer
Takes more energy to produce bio-fuels than what you get out of it.

Depends. Biodiesel, e.g. from soybeans, produces 3.2 units of fuel for every unit of (fossil) fuel input, according to the USDA. A German study came up with a number of 2.5 to 1. That's still a pretty good deal.

Ethanol from corn barely breaks even. Don't tar all biofuel with the ethanol-from-corn brush. Ethanol from corn is only viable because it's subsidized by government.

26 posted on 03/12/2012 7:42:49 PM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sunken, it is you that has posted the agitprop here.

The cartoon does not say 1/2 gallon of pesticides. The 1/2 gallon of fuel includes working the soil, harvesting the crop, and transporting it.

Ethanol is a waste of useful land.


27 posted on 03/12/2012 7:49:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor; HiTech RedNeck

Awwwww, the flat statement that this was a “complete falsity” shoulda stopped you in your tracks! There is no arguing with such a coffin-lid pronouncement!


28 posted on 03/12/2012 7:56:23 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper
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To: Campion; SkyDancer

All bio-diesel shortens engine life, increases maintenance costs, and reduces the reliability of the engine.

It also cannot be used below 40 degrees F, because it thickens in the fuel system, thus starving the engine.


29 posted on 03/12/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Maybe you’ll have to add a heater run on oil to heat the bio-fuel to where it’ll flow okay.


30 posted on 03/12/2012 7:58:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, in fact, it is not. It doesn’t take 1/2 of fuel to produce a bushel of corn, and it doesn’t take more ethanol to produce ethanol and can be produced from the corn. ALL of that is agitprop. The price of producing and distributing our food (and everything has an energy component, even among the Amish) using OPEC oil is the issue, and will continue to be while we remain dependent on them.

Zero’s claim that we’re somehow better off because the price of oil is high as a kite and consumption of it is (for now) down, and production is up (and more of it going overseas), while simultaneously claiming (as others do here) that the price of crude is really just inflated by speculators, is one giant pile of flapdoodle.


31 posted on 03/12/2012 7:59:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Petroleum doesn’t subsidize fuel ethanol. There’s an oxygenation requirement for gasoline sold in the US, rather a series of them, and most states have banned the petrochemical MTBA because it shows up in the water etc, while ethanol does not. I’ve never seen anyone call MTBA out for being the product of a federal subsidy. But if ethanol is considered to be subsidized because of a floor price, then the subsidy is actually going the other way, since most ethanol produced in the US (and imported) is going directly into gasoline.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/AmberWaves/March09/Features/FertilizerPrices.htm

[snip] Fertilizer price volatility affects the profitability of corn and small grains, where fertilizer accounts for a relatively large share of production costs, compared with that for soybeans and cotton. [/snip]


32 posted on 03/12/2012 8:07:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SkyDancer

In Bend, Oregon, they had to add ducting to direct exhaust heat to the fuel system on all their new ‘bio’ school buses last winter.

One morning, every bus in their fleet got stalled on the road after they left the warmth of the barn. It took two days to tow them all back to the barn, and a whole bunch of taxis to bring the students home. School was canceled for the week.


33 posted on 03/12/2012 8:09:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: steelyourfaith

ping


34 posted on 03/12/2012 8:22:34 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

WE been FRacked! FRom the inside!


35 posted on 03/12/2012 8:33:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Tom, you idiot. Can’t you do simple math?

It so not possible to produce 36 billion barrels of your imaginary goo.

Evuh.


36 posted on 03/12/2012 8:48:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: editor-surveyor

Total insanity.


37 posted on 03/12/2012 8:56:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Ron C.

I grew up in a small town in west-central Kansas. Folks had oil wells in their backyard. Hard to imagine the EPA regulations on that today...


38 posted on 03/12/2012 9:01:54 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What’s getting burned to run the tractors etc.? Are these operations so purist that they themselves only employ pure ethanol for their own energy needs?


39 posted on 03/13/2012 12:01:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh, I see, ethanol is elitist. /s


40 posted on 03/13/2012 4:07:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: El Laton Caliente
The military just bought biofuel at what $26 a gallon? That should make $5 gas look cheap...

I would pay $26 a gallon if it was processed out of liberals.

41 posted on 03/13/2012 4:17:42 AM PDT by Starstruck
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To: Ron C.

There are 601 active producing wells in the Long Beach field near Los Angeles.

Although there are many other older wells capped, there is plenty of production continuing to drain this field.

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/dog/maps/Pages/goto_welllocation.aspx
Download the MS Excel file for District 1. The well database can be sorted by status of well, county, township, field, etc.


42 posted on 03/13/2012 5:41:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is this an exercise in missing the point?

To get that ethanol from corn, petroleum has to be consumed in various ways. Maybe the figure given is exaggerated but it cannot be nonzero.


43 posted on 03/13/2012 1:43:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: thackney
Well, that's an interesting database - but far from accurate, it appears. Sorting the data for district #1 shows that the only active wells are in Torrance, Whittier, and Wilmington - and I know that to be wrong. Don't know where you found the 601 producing wells in Long Beach, but I can sure see a lot of them, and in some places there are drilling rigs actively drilling away.

You can see one well being drilled at 33.812000000 -118.185600000 - and just north of that location, you can see one (probably) active pump.

Just immediately west of that location, you can see other pumps, likely active, (white pickup truck with open door beside one) - and a block further west are two more active pumps, with associated storage tanks.

Half a block to the east and south of the one being drilled is another probably active pump.

The question regarding why old capped wells in Long Beach, known to be full again, could not be opened and pumped again by the owner of the well, still remains an unanswered question - the likely impediment being federal and state government standing in the way.

44 posted on 03/13/2012 7:40:49 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

601 in the long beach oil field, not the postal address.

To address the claim of oil being left in the ground untapped, I looked at the number of actively flowing wells.

Old Abandoned wells do not just have a cap on top. They are filled with cement.


45 posted on 03/14/2012 4:37:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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